Official Metroid Prime 3 Speculation Topic

2006-07-26 03:28:49 pm

soaking through

I can't argue this, as I don't have much experience of the multiplayer, but I honestly doubt a game that popular would be anywhere near that shallow.

Rox

2006-07-26 04:20:11 pm

Quote from Mr. Aran:

If you have a sniper gun, a shotgun, and some FPS skill, then you'll dominate 80% of the time.

Not true at all. In Halo 1, everyone started out with the most balanced weapon in the game, the pistol, so the only "easy" way to success was to practice using it to no end and become a master of the map layouts to find the right spots at the right times.

And that's pretty much the key to getting good at ANY FPS, so...

Halo 2 is slightly different. There is no pistol. The weapons are more balanced compared to each other, which means there ARE weapons that are always better than some. To the Halo "elite", that's a bad thing. To more casual gamers, it's a very good thing. It means part of the battle is finding the right weapon first, THEN learning to use it. Weapon control suddenly becomes a major key to success. And weapon control isn't the easiest thing to gain, either. Most of the time it's either down to luck, or extreme team work. And even then, one single grenade can kill two or three people if you're not careful, so nothing's ever set in stone.

Halo 2's multiplayer... is the most fun I've had with a bunch of other people. Ever. It's really not something that can be explained. It's not something that can be shown, either. It's not all about the way you play it, weapon control and what-not. It's all a sum of many many many elements, all polished to perfection by Bungie.

If you don't like Halo, it's because of one of two reasons.
1. You don't like ANY FPS.
2. You've never given it a chance.

[quote="Mr. Aran"]If you have a sniper gun, a shotgun, and some FPS skill, then you'll dominate 80% of the time.[/quote]
Not true at all. In Halo 1, everyone started out with the most balanced weapon in the game, the pistol, so the only "easy" way to success was to practice using it to no end and become a master of the map layouts to find the right spots at the right times.

And that's pretty much the key to getting good at ANY FPS, so...

Halo 2 is slightly different. There is no pistol. The weapons are more balanced compared to each other, which means there ARE weapons that are always better than some. To the Halo "elite", that's a bad thing. To more casual gamers, it's a very good thing. It means part of the battle is finding the right weapon first, THEN learning to use it. Weapon control suddenly becomes a major key to success. And weapon control isn't the easiest thing to gain, either. Most of the time it's either down to luck, or extreme team work. And even then, one single grenade can kill two or three people if you're not careful, so nothing's ever set in stone.

Halo 2's multiplayer... is the most fun I've had with a bunch of other people. Ever. It's really not something that can be explained. It's not something that can be shown, either. It's not all about the way you play it, weapon control and what-not. It's all a sum of many many many elements, all polished to perfection by Bungie.

If you don't like Halo, it's because of one of two reasons. 
1. You don't like ANY FPS.
2. You've never given it a chance.

Mr. Aran

2006-07-26 04:28:17 pm

everybody knows it's true

Quote from Rox:

Quote from Mr. Aran:

If you have a sniper gun, a shotgun, and some FPS skill, then you'll dominate 80% of the time.

Not true at all. In Halo 1, everyone started out with the most balanced weapon in the game, the pistol, so the only "easy" way to success was to practice using it to no end and become a master of the map layouts to find the right spots at the right times.

Most balanced? You can kill someone with five shots with it while it takes more than a whole magazine with the assault rifle to kill another.

Derek

2006-07-26 05:38:58 pm

Quote from Prime Hunter:

What exactly is Black, anyway? I don't think I've even heard of it, while I can at least recognize the rest of the games in the list you made. (I should know what they look all like too, but I can't seem to remember what Breakout looks like. And I just had a Game History class a few months ago too, and I'm pretty sure I saw the game in action. Embarassed

)

Black is an FPS for the PS2 and XBox that received a lot of hype, but (from the reviews I read), didn't quite live up, and in the FPS genre (perhaps the biggest genre of games) only the very best will be remembered, the likes of Half Life, Halo, GoldenEye, and (if you consider it an FPS) Metroid Prime.

Breakout is the game where you have a paddle on the bottom and a ball the bounces around breaking blocks on the top of the screen. The objective is to break all the blocks without dropping the ball.

arkarian

2006-07-26 09:38:28 pm

red chamber dream

Quote from Rox:

If you don't like Halo, it's because of one of two reasons.
1. You don't like ANY FPS.
2. You've never given it a chance.

Nah, dude, it's not that simple. I would agree that most people who like FPSs like Halo, but I know some people who reallly liked, say, Goldeneye, and have tried Halo ... but hate it. Even I like some FPSs (such as Half-Life), but I still strongly dislike Halo. And yes, I have played it; played it again two nights ago in fact. :P

Also: lol. I've also heard -- from lots of FPS fanatics -- that Black is one of the worst FPSs ever made.

Prime Hunter

2006-07-26 11:22:48 pm

I can't believe I didn't remember Breakout... Embarassed

I haven't played the original game, but I've played many things that are similar in the past. (There is an example of a modification to the Pong mechanics that I was talking about too! laugh new

)

arkarian

2006-07-26 11:57:30 pm

red chamber dream

Heh, yeah, I've always loved that game. Was very happy to see it came on my iPod. :)

Rox

2006-07-27 05:45:50 am

Quote from Mr. Aran:

Most balanced? You can kill someone with five shots with it while it takes more than a whole magazine with the assault rifle to kill another.

Four shots, actually, if you always get headshots. But that's the point, though. It's overpowered compared to everything else, BUT, you can use it in both close-to-mid range situation, to mid-to-long, if you're good at it, so it works in most situations, and it's the default starting weapon. That makes it balanced, in the context.

And BLACK is not a good game. I've only played the demo, but it seemed slow, sluggish, horribly unoriginal and not very creative gameplay-wise. The only thing I liked about it was the graphics, and that's.. not a good selling point at all.

Arkanoid ftw

Otaku Dragon

2006-07-27 08:50:22 am

Meh, I thought it was great. Most FPSs now-a-days are all about being careful and conserving ammo. In Black, screw that, go in guns-a-blazing, because you can do that.

And, just a random note here: Half-Life 2 on the Xbox SUCKS. Thank you.

Derek

2006-07-27 10:12:36 am

Quote from Otaku Dragon:

Meh, I thought it was great. Most FPSs now-a-days are all about being careful and conserving ammo. In Black, screw that, go in guns-a-blazing, because you can do that.

Yeah, thats what FPSs were about ten years ago, and it got really boring, really fast, which is why few people were particularly happy to see Black returning to those mechanics.

Mr. Aran

2006-07-27 02:52:21 pm

everybody knows it's true

Quote from Rox:

Quote from Mr. Aran:

Most balanced? You can kill someone with five shots with it while it takes more than a whole magazine with the assault rifle to kill another.

Four shots, actually, if you always get headshots. But that's the point, though. It's overpowered compared to everything else, BUT, you can use it in both close-to-mid range situation, to mid-to-long, if you're good at it, so it works in most situations, and it's the default starting weapon. That makes it balanced, in the context.

Therefore, the pistol can be used for anything and everything. Screw all the other weapons.

arkarian

2006-07-27 02:55:47 pm

red chamber dream

Why is the pistol so good? Doesn't make any sense to me -- I would think a machine gun would be the best or something.

Mr. Aran

2006-07-27 04:34:09 pm

everybody knows it's true

Hence the suckage of Halo Weapons.

ajbolt89

2006-07-27 04:43:24 pm

lol no way

Meh, I uh... really preferred that about Halo 1. I liked that it was just skill with the pistol and knowing the maps that summed up how good you were. While no, not the deepest gameplay ever, it was still fun. And made it possible for beginners to still be good at the game after a short time, unlike Halo 2.

Lazylen

(user is banned)

2006-07-29 06:36:10 pm

Quote from ajbolt89:

Meh, I uh... really preferred that about Halo 1. I liked that it was just skill with the pistol and knowing the maps that summed up how good you were. While no, not the deepest gameplay ever, it was still fun. And made it possible for beginners to still be good at the game after a short time, unlike Halo 2.

*spawns on lockout*

<.<grabs>.>

*superbounces*

:)

DEATH TO ALL. :P

matchmaking actually isnt that much fun, i find. I really despise matchmaking games, as nowadays its come down to who can standby/bridge/mod the best, or who has host, or who has the best connection speed (thats how slayer games are won, not usually by actual skill, but by who isnt lagging).

The fun of the multiplayer comes in the custom games like Zombies, Troy, Cat and Mouse, Tremors, Hog Warz, Tower of Power, Hide and Seek, Hell, Asteroids (also known as Apocalypse), Hitler (invincinaut, as in the juggernaut is basically unkillable), SWAT, Team SWAT, Paintball, Fiesta, boxing, Rocky, Border Patrol, Cops and Robbers, Dodgeball, Football, Basketball. The list goes on and on, and im sure i've missed a few of them as well.

and even more fun is Glitch, being one of the best ways to have fun if you're that type of person (unless a person comes along and kills everyone... -_-'). You can make giant pictures of yourself appear in the sky, you can use others' help to get on top of the giant "cookie cutter" in burial mounds. you can stand on the bottom and top of ascension, or triple bounce from the small tower to the big tower (my discovery). you can get to the top of waterworks... without a banshee. you can get on top and outside of foundation, outside of Terminal and on top of the immense buildings that are there. and thats not even the start.

with mods, you can do anything. there's the racetrack mod (my personal favorite), mods that let you spawn outside levels. mods that let you shoot cars out of your gun. mods that let you run superfast even if you aren't the modder, mods that let you get on top of the relic. Mods that allow you to fly warthogs, and mods that allow you to clone yourself five hundred times over (then your xbox breaks! :P), and there's so much more.

and all of this spread over many multiplayer levels. its immense.

Halo 2 is an excellent example of what a gigantic community working together can do as a whole, creating massive amounts of gametypes that give hundreds or thousands of hours of fun that never gets old.

and yes, i can understand people who don't like this game, as it DOES get old if you dont have xbox live. but if you DO have live, it is This Gen's Multiplayer GOTY.

[quote="ajbolt89"]Meh, I uh... really preferred that about Halo 1. I liked that it was just skill with the pistol and knowing the maps that summed up how good you were. While no, not the deepest gameplay ever, it was still fun. And made it possible for beginners to still be good at the game after a short time, unlike Halo 2.[/quote]

*spawns on lockout*

<.<grabs>.>

*superbounces*

:)

DEATH TO ALL. :P

matchmaking actually isnt that much fun, i find. I really despise matchmaking games, as nowadays its come down to who can standby/bridge/mod the best, or who has host, or who has the best connection speed (thats how slayer games are won, not usually by actual skill, but by who isnt lagging).

The fun of the multiplayer comes in the custom games like Zombies, Troy, Cat and Mouse, Tremors, Hog Warz, Tower of Power, Hide and Seek, Hell, Asteroids (also known as Apocalypse), Hitler (invincinaut, as in the juggernaut is basically unkillable), SWAT, Team SWAT, Paintball, Fiesta, boxing, Rocky, Border Patrol, Cops and Robbers, Dodgeball, Football, Basketball. The list goes on and on, and im sure i've missed a few of them as well.

and even more fun is Glitch, being one of the best ways to have fun if you're that type of person (unless a person comes along and kills everyone... -_-'). You can make giant pictures of yourself appear in the sky, you can use others' help to get on top of the giant "cookie cutter" in burial mounds. you can stand on the bottom and top of ascension, or triple bounce from the small tower to the big tower (my discovery). you can get to the top of waterworks... without a banshee. you can get on top and outside of foundation, outside of Terminal and on top of the immense buildings that are there. and thats not even the start.

with mods, you can do anything. there's the racetrack mod (my personal favorite), mods that let you spawn outside levels. mods that let you shoot cars out of your gun. mods that let you run superfast even if you aren't the modder, mods that let you get on top of the relic. Mods that allow you to fly warthogs, and mods that allow you to clone yourself five hundred times over (then your xbox breaks! :P), and there's so much more.

and all of this spread over many multiplayer levels. its immense.

Halo 2 is an excellent example of what a gigantic community working together can do as a whole, creating massive amounts of gametypes that give hundreds or thousands of hours of fun that never gets old.

and yes, i can understand people who don't like this game, as it DOES get old if you dont have xbox live. but if you DO have live, it is This Gen's [u]Multiplayer[/u] GOTY.

Yoshi348

2006-07-29 10:51:24 pm

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Ready and willing.

Quote from Lazylen:

and yes, i can understand people who don't like this game, as it DOES get old if you dont have xbox live. but if you DO have live, it is This Gen's Multiplayer GOTY.

Be careful... "this gen" does in fact include SSBM. Although I can't say you're utterly wrong here, it's easy to overlook it since it came out so damn early.

Lazylen

(user is banned)

2006-07-29 11:24:09 pm

Quote from Yoshi348:

Quote from Lazylen:

and yes, i can understand people who don't like this game, as it DOES get old if you dont have xbox live. but if you DO have live, it is This Gen's Multiplayer GOTY.

Be careful... "this gen" does in fact include SSBM. Although I can't say you're utterly wrong here, it's easy to overlook it since it came out so damn early.

if you could play SSBM with 16 people simeltaneously, then it would outdo halo 2 easily, but alas, you can't...

though i might be spawning hate messages/posts soon... <.< >.>

Mr. Aran

2006-07-29 11:30:09 pm

everybody knows it's true

Quote from Lazylen:

Quote from Yoshi348:

Quote from Lazylen:

and yes, i can understand people who don't like this game, as it DOES get old if you dont have xbox live. but if you DO have live, it is This Gen's Multiplayer GOTY.

Be careful... "this gen" does in fact include SSBM. Although I can't say you're utterly wrong here, it's easy to overlook it since it came out so damn early.

if you could play SSBM with 16 people simeltaneously, then it would outdo halo 2 easily, but alas, you can't...

though i might be spawning hate messages/posts soon... <.< >.>

The ability to handle a 16 player SSBM would be astounding.

Lazylen

(user is banned)

2006-07-29 11:50:06 pm

Quote from Mr. Aran:

Quote from Lazylen:

Quote from Yoshi348:

Quote from Lazylen:

and yes, i can understand people who don't like this game, as it DOES get old if you dont have xbox live. but if you DO have live, it is This Gen's Multiplayer GOTY.

Be careful... "this gen" does in fact include SSBM. Although I can't say you're utterly wrong here, it's easy to overlook it since it came out so damn early.

if you could play SSBM with 16 people simeltaneously, then it would outdo halo 2 easily, but alas, you can't...

though i might be spawning hate messages/posts soon... <.< >.>

The ability to handle a 16 player SSBM would be astounding.

well, yeah, and i dont see it happening (as there aren't more than 4 players/fight on the upcoming one) anytime soon. It would be awesome, completely chaotic, but nonetheless awesome. it just doesn't really work...

arkarian

2006-07-29 11:51:52 pm

red chamber dream

Well, they have those sixty-four-player tournaments, but those aren't simultaneous. I have a feeling that we'll be seeing more than four players at a time on the Wii, though. Maybe. Hopefully.

rekameohs

2006-07-29 11:53:17 pm

Anywhere, everywhere

Quote from Mr. Aran:

Quote from Lazylen:

if you could play SSBM with 16 people simeltaneously, then it would outdo halo 2 easily, but alas, you can't...

though i might be spawning hate messages/posts soon... <.< >.>

The ability to handle a 16 player SSBM would be astounding.

Giant Melee+Final Destination+16 players+Giant Mushrooms+Very High Setting=! A fun multiplayer

Me do math

Lazylen

(user is banned)

2006-07-30 12:00:56 am

Quote from rekameohs:

Quote from Mr. Aran:

Quote from Lazylen:

if you could play SSBM with 16 people simeltaneously, then it would outdo halo 2 easily, but alas, you can't...

though i might be spawning hate messages/posts soon... <.< >.>

The ability to handle a 16 player SSBM would be astounding.

Giant Melee+Final Destination+16 players+Giant Mushrooms+Very High Setting=! A fun multiplayer

Me do math

16 normal sized people wouldn't be able to fit on without some being constantly pushed off (considering how characters cant stand right beside each other). they would need to make the stage at least 4 times bigger to allow even minimal fighting room... or just make the characters smaller, or add walls with an open top.

Rox

2006-07-30 10:00:03 am

Stage-sensitive max player limit!

Mute City = 4 players
Hyrule Temple = 8 players
Some immense next-gen superstage = 16 players

Lazylen

(user is banned)

2006-07-30 10:02:04 am

Quote from Rox:

Stage-sensitive max player limit!

Mute City = 4 players
Hyrule Temple = 8 players
Some immense next-gen superstage = 16 players

aww, i've always wanted to play with 16 people on mute city... Twisted Evil

Metroiddestruktor

2007-01-28 04:04:33 pm

Hi. =)
I have a question: Do you think that there is a direct connection between Dark Samus, the Phazon and the SA-X?
It's supposable that we have to fight Dark Samus at the end of MP3 and that Nintendo wants us to think that it will be destroyed forever. When you play through the game with 100% there could be a scene in which we experience that it has survived and that it goes to SR388 where it wants to get back its strength. It undergoes a mutation and becomes an X-core. This could be a connection to Fusion, because where else should the X come from?