[SM] Super Metroid: Stardust

Sturmvogel Prime

2009-08-08 04:22:30 pm

Phazon Vasteel Autobot

Early Space Jump!, i used Crystal Flash (Power Bomb energy recovery), and really quick morphing and balljump.

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Derakon

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Derakon: 2009-08-08 04:57:12 pm

2009-08-08 04:52:04 pm

I...think I did not do this in the right order.

1:28, 79% item collection. Edit: only non-ammo upgrade I missed was spacejump. I'm pretty certain I know where it is (at least, I think I've found the exit for its area); just couldn't be bothered to figure out how to get there.

Boss order:

Bomb Torizo
Phantoon
Crocomire
Botwoon
Ridley
Draygon
Spore Spawn
Mother Brain

Beam order:

Charge
Plasma
Ice
Wave
Spazer

So I faced down Ridley with just the Charge Beam and a copious supply of ammo. No worries there. I then spent ages running around looking for

Kraid

because I assumed he needed to be killed to open a door...whoops. Incidentally, it'd be nice if the upper door to Spore Spawn's room was bidirectional after you kill him.

Overall thoughts: easy, but fun. Your level design is good, and your item hiding techniques remind me of SFI -- just about any sizable room will have an ammo expansion hanging out in a wall somewhere. There's a few glitches -- I returned to the morphball room later in the hack to find the background had gone nuts, for example -- but I didn't notice anything really gamebreaking.

I...think I did not do this in the right order.

1:28, 79% item collection. Edit: only non-ammo upgrade I missed was spacejump. I'm pretty certain I know where it is (at least, I think I've found the exit for its area); just couldn't be bothered to figure out how to get there.

Boss order:[spoiler]Bomb Torizo
Phantoon
Crocomire
Botwoon
Ridley
Draygon
Spore Spawn
Mother Brain[/spoiler]
Beam order:[spoiler]Charge
Plasma
Ice
Wave
Spazer[/spoiler]
So I faced down Ridley with just the Charge Beam and a copious supply of ammo. No worries there. I then spent ages running around looking for [spoiler]Kraid[/spoiler] because I assumed he needed to be killed to open a door...whoops. Incidentally, it'd be nice if the upper door to Spore Spawn's room was bidirectional after you kill him.

Overall thoughts: easy, but fun. Your level design is good, and your item hiding techniques remind me of SFI -- just about any sizable room will have an ammo expansion hanging out in a wall somewhere. There's a few glitches -- I returned to the morphball room later in the hack to find the background had gone nuts, for example -- but I didn't notice anything really gamebreaking.

Tyjet66

2009-08-08 04:56:15 pm

What'd you say?

Quote from SMILEuser96:

The only room with metroids was pretty fun without Ice grin new

By the way, i 1-hit killed Spore Spawn thanks to my weird boss order Very Happy

I never really like metroids and besides, wasn't the baby one supposed to be the last one? IIRC Spore Spawn is the only boss you can kill in 1-hit, good job. Wink

Quote from Quietus:

When I entered the first green area, I had black squares in front of me. Are they supposed to be there? I used v1.4 with a clean, headered ROM.

Could you send a picture of it? I'll try and get all the glitches fixed up, also, if anyone sees and tiling errors would you mind posting them? I can go around and touch them up.

Quote from Quietus:

I found a permastuck.

While collecting this:

If you bomb here:

You get stuck in the blocks above.

I'll fix that in the next patch.

Quote from Opium:

I also found space jump, but never figured out how to get to it.

To get Space Jump you have to kill GT, to get to GT

Go take a very hot bath.

Quote from Sturmvogel Prime:

Early Space Jump!, i used Crystal Flash (Power Bomb energy recovery), and really quick morphing and balljump.

Nice find Sturmvogel.

Quote from Derakon:

I...think I did not do this in the right order.

Incidentally, it'd be nice if the upper door to Spore Spawn's room was bidirectional after you kill him.

I returned to the morphball room later in the hack to find the background had gone nuts, for example -- but I didn't notice anything really gamebreaking.

Honestly, there really isn't a "right" order, you get to choose. Spore Spawn's upper door is giving me troubles, I'll try to get it working the next patch. And, yea, I'll also try to fix Morphball's BG glitch as well.

I wonder if anyone is going to do a TAS? Think

[quote="SMILEuser96"]
The only room with metroids was pretty fun without Ice  :grinnew:
By the way, i 1-hit killed Spore Spawn thanks to my weird boss order  :veryhappy_orig:
[/quote]
I never really like metroids and besides, wasn't the baby one supposed to be the last one? IIRC Spore Spawn is the only boss you can kill in 1-hit, good job.  :wink:

[quote="Quietus"]
When I entered the first green area, I had black squares in front of me.  Are they supposed to be there?  I used v1.4 with a clean, headered ROM.
[/quote]

Could you send a picture of it? I'll try and get all the glitches fixed up, also, if anyone sees and tiling errors would you mind posting them? I can go around and touch them up.

[quote="Quietus"]
I found a permastuck.

While collecting this:

[spoiler][img]http://forum.metroid2002.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=8226.0;attach=9506[/img][/spoiler]

If you bomb here:

[spoiler][img]http://forum.metroid2002.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=8226.0;attach=9507[/img][/spoiler]

You get stuck in the blocks above.
[/quote]

I'll fix that in the next patch.

[quote="Opium"]
I also found space jump, but never figured out how to get to it.
[/quote]
To get Space Jump you have to kill GT, to get to GT [spoiler]Go take a very hot bath.[/spoiler]

[quote="Sturmvogel Prime"]
Early Space Jump!, i used Crystal Flash (Power Bomb energy recovery), and really quick morphing and balljump.
[/quote]
Nice find Sturmvogel.[quote="Derakon"]
I...think I did not do this in the right order.

Incidentally, it'd be nice if the upper door to Spore Spawn's room was bidirectional after you kill him.

I returned to the morphball room later in the hack to find the background had gone nuts, for example -- but I didn't notice anything really gamebreaking. 
[/quote]
Honestly, there really isn't a "right" order, you get to choose. Spore Spawn's upper door is giving me troubles, I'll try to get it working the next patch. And, yea, I'll also try to fix Morphball's BG glitch as well.

I wonder if anyone is going to do a TAS?  :um_orig:

Derakon

2009-08-08 04:59:19 pm

I say I did things in the wrong order because I spent a lot of time running back and forth. I kept bypassing bosses because I missed the branches off the main path that lead to them and they didn't guard items that were required to proceed.

So it's not so much "wrong" as "slower". :)

Incidentally, I think this hack is the most casual of all of the full hacks when it comes to giving you super missiles and powerbombs. They're just laying out there! Granted, I walked right past powerbombs a few times before getting suspicious.

Tyjet66

2009-08-08 05:02:19 pm

What'd you say?

I was getting sick of all the "set-in-stone" item order hacks. That's why I enjoyed Dependence so much, so I made one based off that principle.

Derakon

2009-08-08 05:04:28 pm

So where is

Kraid

anyway? Seeing as I'm only missing one major upgrade and you've said where that is, did you just leave him out entirely?

Mind you, the fight would've been rather anticlimactic by the time I'd've gotten to him anyway...

Tyjet66

2009-08-08 05:31:54 pm

What'd you say?

Yes, he is no longer in the game. He was causing a lot of issues.

GF_Kennon

2009-08-08 06:05:57 pm

Destroyer of Pirates

Hmm, so here i am, sat in tourian, out of AMMO.... and no where to fill up. a perma stuck location and it just made my day Brick wall

Sigh

Derakon

2009-08-08 06:24:52 pm

The most recent version has a missile recharge station in Tourian.

Now, if you don't have enough missiles to crack MB's glass and kill her, then that's a different story. Had that happen to me in AngryFireChozo.

namespoofer

2009-08-08 06:32:47 pm

Trained by Cpadolf. Mission: To Perfect.

Quote from Derakon:

The most recent version has a missile recharge station in Tourian.

Now, if you don't have enough missiles to crack MB's glass and kill her, then that's a different story. Had that happen to me in AngryFireChozo.

But you can do that in the original SM.. >.>

Tyjet66

2009-08-08 06:51:54 pm

What'd you say?

Update: V1.5 is out! Changes are labeled down below.

-Fixed a minor map issue
-Fixed a item location in post-Phantoon Wrecked Ship
-Fixed Quietus' Western Norfair Permastuck
-Removed the gray door in Tourain, so you may now enter and leave as you wish, you'll just have to go through the big metroid's animation again.
-Few other minor things not worth mentioning.

GF_Kennon

2009-08-08 07:08:19 pm

Destroyer of Pirates

There we go, done. Never saw the update.

Xaggoth

2009-08-08 07:24:28 pm

I think that if after killing phantoon, if you try to get wave beam before gravity and don't have high jump boots you get stuck in the wave beam room.

Tyjet66

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Tyjet66: 2009-08-08 07:30:29 pm

2009-08-08 07:25:01 pm

What'd you say?

I'll test that quick.

It is in fact possible to get stuck in the wave beam room without gravity suit or high-jump, unless during a TAS. So take this warning till the next patch comes out.
DO NOT attempt to get Wave Beam without either High-Jump or Gravity Suit.

Quietus

2009-08-08 07:33:39 pm

Super Secret Area - Dead Ahead!

Me is being disappointed that you never included me in your X-ray list. I hoped you'd guess that if I'd 100%-ed it, then I HAD to have found it. Crying or Very sad

Tyjet66

2009-08-08 07:36:16 pm

What'd you say?

Quote from Quietus:

Me is being disappointed that you never included me in your X-ray list. I hoped you'd guess that if I'd 100%-ed it, then I HAD to have found it. Crying or Very sad

Were you one of the first 5 though?

DonnyDonovan

2009-08-08 07:44:35 pm

I apologize if this has been asked already, but is there a way to get the visible missle pack hanging there in the green part of Crateria not long after you go through the gauntlet? Even with x-ray, I don't see a way.

Anyway, up to 92% now, still working.

Quietus

2009-08-08 07:49:15 pm

Super Secret Area - Dead Ahead!

No way to tell, really. I had it before my first completion, but who's to say any of us were the first five?.

I was only kidding anyway - don't panic, Mr Mainwaring! grin new

Quietus

2009-08-08 07:50:24 pm

Super Secret Area - Dead Ahead!

Quote from DonnyDonovan:

is there a way to get the visible missle pack hanging there in the green part of Crateria

Roll and the top, and then unmorph.

Tyjet66

2009-08-08 07:59:42 pm

What'd you say?

Quote from DonnyDonovan:

I apologize if this has been asked already, but is there a way to get the visible missle pack hanging there in the green part of Crateria not long after you go through the gauntlet? Even with x-ray, I don't see a way.

Anyway, up to 92% now, still working.

Quietus summed up how to get it. And actually you don't need to go through the gauntlet to reach it, you can go to the room right before morphball and shinespark up.

Xaggoth

2009-08-08 08:13:25 pm

Second playthrough, 0:50, 24%. I tried for a low percent playthrough, but it didn't really pan out. I picked up all the beams except spazer, I don't see a reason for ice, it just made things easier. I picked up a few too many missiles, forgot about no health recharge except for tanks in the tourian, and there's a +2% for the escape pickups. Was a fun and quick play.

Derakon

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Derakon: 2009-08-08 08:23:36 pm

2009-08-08 08:15:58 pm

I decided to do a quick runthrough for speed. I didn't bother to set up a formal route, and I forgot about some roadblocks, so it was pretty sloppy on the whole. I got 34 minutes, with 53% item completion. That includes picking up X-Ray and Screw Attack, because hey, why not?

I'd guess a TAS could get this done in under 20 minutes.

Edit: here's my route:

Pre-Morphball missile pack in the ceiling
Morphball
Bombs
Super missiles, and powerbombs next to them
Went aaaaall the way over to get high-jump boots. They came in handy, but probably weren't worth the time cost.
Up to Phantoon, kill him, get gravity suit, get wavebeam
Back to Brinstar, head left to Norfair, get Varia, get Speedbooster, kill Crocomire.
Back to Brinstar, kill Spore Spawn
Get Ice Beam (might not be necessary, but it makes the Metroid room faster and the extra damage comes in handy vs. Ridley and MB)
Head to Maridia, gank Draygon, get Plasma beam
Grab Screw Attack
Gank Botwoon (plasma + wave = ded)
Head to Lower Norfair, nail Ridley
Head to Tourian, toast MB

The nice thing about this hack for speedrunning is that all the ammo and expansions you need are on-route; you barely have to deviate for any of them. I had something like 90 missiles, 20 supers, 20 powerbombs, and 7 E-tanks, and I never went more than a room out of my way for expansions, not counting the first set of supers and powers.

Notably, I used my last super missile (after running out of regulars) to get MB to transition to her second form. :) Of course, if I hadn't missed shots earlier, it wouldn't've been so close, but oh well. And here I thought I had way more missiles than I really needed...

I decided to do a quick runthrough for speed. I didn't bother to set up a formal route, and I forgot about some roadblocks, so it was pretty sloppy on the whole. I got 34 minutes, with 53% item completion. That includes picking up X-Ray and Screw Attack, because hey, why not?
[spoiler][img]http://derakon.dyndns.org/~chriswei/temp/stardustspeed.png[/img][/spoiler]
I'd guess a TAS could get this done in under 20 minutes.

Edit: here's my route:
[spoiler]Pre-Morphball missile pack in the ceiling
Morphball
Bombs
Super missiles, and powerbombs next to them
Went aaaaall the way over to get high-jump boots. They came in handy, but probably weren't worth the time cost.
Up to Phantoon, kill him, get gravity suit, get wavebeam
Back to Brinstar, head left to Norfair, get Varia, get Speedbooster, kill Crocomire.
Back to Brinstar, kill Spore Spawn
Get Ice Beam (might not be necessary, but it makes the Metroid room faster and the extra damage comes in handy vs. Ridley and MB)
Head to Maridia, gank Draygon, get Plasma beam
Grab Screw Attack
Gank Botwoon (plasma + wave = ded)
Head to Lower Norfair, nail Ridley
Head to Tourian, toast MB
[/spoiler]

The nice thing about this hack for speedrunning is that all the ammo and expansions you need are on-route; you barely have to deviate for any of them. I had something like 90 missiles, 20 supers, 20 powerbombs, and 7 E-tanks, and I never went more than a room out of my way for expansions, not counting the first set of supers and powers.

Notably, I used my last super missile (after running out of regulars) to get MB to transition to her second form. :) Of course, if I hadn't missed shots earlier, it wouldn't've been so close, but oh well. And here I thought I had way more missiles than I really needed...

Bond697

2009-08-08 08:20:06 pm

that was quite fun! 51 min/84%. going back to get the 100% next. by the way, why are you listing the people who found the xray? it's not that well hidden. i ended up finding it partially by accident.

Tyjet66

2009-08-08 08:23:16 pm

What'd you say?

I had thought it was a good spot, oh well. Rolling Eyes

Glad you enjoyed it.

MetroidMst

2009-08-08 08:32:08 pm

Go ahead. Stare.

I did a low % run too, but Xaggoth crushed me. I finished with a huge amount of extra and comepletely un-needed items. I might go for a sub %20 later, but I will live with this for now.

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