SJE (Space Jump Early) in Metroid Prime (Wii / Trilogy)

2009-09-18 11:09:14 pm

Your route is a little strange. The route Baby Sheegoth made is much faster. There is no point in picking up grapple beam. Take a look at my updated route it's the fastest without secret worlds. Also, I don't know what you mean with that early energy tank video.

Gu3st

2009-09-18 11:10:41 pm

Jagger ftw

Get life giver, then use the early energy tank for 30 second access to wild. Vault connect to elevator to magmoor which connects to wid.

EDIT:
Look at my edit above for a thing you've missed.

T3

2009-09-18 11:13:42 pm

I went from Magmoor to Chozo to get Wild which is very fast and then right before ridley, I pick up Life Giver.

Gu3st

2009-09-18 11:14:50 pm

Jagger ftw

So you took the path where nature is?

But I still thinking since you are already at WORK STATION, might as well exit to tallon, life giver, use that early energy tank trick to vault then to wild.

But if you still wanna go from nature, atleast from spider go to phen shore line then to MONITOR station.

T3

2009-09-18 11:15:56 pm

Yes, which is much faster than the other way which you need to go all the way past the Hive Mecha.

Gu3st

2009-09-18 11:16:48 pm

Jagger ftw

Nope, early energy tank doesn't take you to hive mecha.
It takes you to vault which then take you to the (elevator to magmoor) then directly to wild.

T3

2009-09-18 11:17:18 pm

Except the door is locked from that side.

Gu3st

2009-09-18 11:19:37 pm

Jagger ftw

Darn your right.
Then atleast go from monitor station, faster travel from spider-> shore line->monitor than work station->monitor

T3

2009-09-18 11:22:15 pm

...

What?

Gu3st

2009-09-18 11:25:53 pm

Jagger ftw

You just got spider right?
So go from spider->ruined court yard->phendrana shore line-> monitor station->nature.
instead of
spider->work station (opposite direction man)-> plasma room->bunch of other room->monitor station->nature.

T3

2009-09-18 11:30:41 pm

Yeah, it's actually slightly faster to do that. Well, the route I posted earlier is the route i'll probably be using. SJF is the only thing I may change if I just can't get it. This isn't a professional speedrun, I just want to see what time people should be aiming for.

Gu3st

2009-09-18 11:36:35 pm

Jagger ftw

They would probably have to sub my time and my time marks.

Baby Sheegoth

Edit history:

Baby Sheegoth: 2009-09-19 08:05:12 am

2009-09-19 07:55:52 am

Segment 1: ENTIRE Frigate Orpheon. Keep going until you get a great PQ kill and escape.

Segment 2: Space Jump First. Three tries.

Segment 3: Main Plaza halfpipe missile, Morph Ball, Charge Beam, save at Gathering Hall.

Segment 4: Morph Ball Bomb, save at Gathering Hall.

Segment 5: Flaahgra/Varia, save at Burning Trail.

Segment 6: Nature, Strength, Boost Ball, Wave Beam, Sun via IS, save at Observatory.

Segment 7: Supers, Elder, Thermal, Spider, Phen Shoelines save.

Segment 8: Monitor Station > Burning Trail, Wild, Life Giver, Ice Beam, Landing Site save.

Segment 9: Plasma Beam, Workstation.

Segment 10: Phendrana's Edge PB, Spirit, save at MW.

Segment 11: MWorkstation PB rock (Get a PB refill for PPC), PPC, Main PB, save at CDynamo.

Segment 12: Warrior, save at MQuarry.

Segment 13: GTH, X-ray visor, Chozo, World, save at MQuarry.

Segment 14: Waste Disposal, PPC, CDynamo.

Segment 15: MQA, FHA, FHB, MQB, Save at MQB.

Segment 16: OP, Newborn, save at Workstation.

Segment 17: Ice spreader, save at Landing Site.

Segment 18: Ridley.

Segment 19: Metroid Prime.

Segment 1: ENTIRE Frigate Orpheon. Keep going until you get a great PQ kill and escape.

Segment 2: Hive Mecha, Morph Ball, Charge Beam.

Segment 3: Morph Ball Bomb, Flaahgra/Varia, Suntower > Vault > Main Plaza > Landing Site save.

Segment 4: Space Jump Early. Three tries is the magic number.

Segment 5: Strength, Boost Ball, Wave Beam, Sun via IS, save at Observatory.

Segment 6: Supers, Elder, Thermal, Spider, Phen Shoelines save.

Segment 7: Monitor Station > Lava Lake, Nature, Burning Trail, Wild, Life Giver, Ice Beam, Landing Site save.

Segment 8: Plasma Beam, Workstation.

Segment 9: Phendrana's Edge PB, Spirit, save at MW.

Segment 10: MWorkstation PB rock (Get a PB refill for PPC), PPC, Main PB, save at CDynamo.

Segment 11: Warrior, save at MQuarry.

Segment 12: GTH, X-ray visor, Chozo, World, save at MQuarry.

Segment 13: Waste Disposal, PPC, CDynamo.

Segment 14: MQA, FHA, FHB, MQB, Save at MQB.

Segment 15: OP, Newborn, save at Workstation.

Segment 16: Ice spreader, save at Landing Site.

Segment 17: Ridley.

Segment 18: Metroid Prime.

I think I made it a bit faster, I put Lifegiver in seg 8 or so so you don't waste time going from tallon to chozo to tallon. It's probably faster by like, 10 seconds though. I'd like to point out this route wasn't just pulled out of the air, I basically rewrote the route guest posted and changed things up to (for the most part, lol) make it faster. Probably go over this route again, you'll likely have some WTF moments :P

EDIT: I made an SJF and an SJE run. Up to seg 7 is different.

[spoiler="Space Jump First run"]
Segment 1: ENTIRE Frigate Orpheon. Keep going until you get a great PQ kill and escape.

Segment 2: Space Jump First. Three tries.

Segment 3: Main Plaza halfpipe missile, Morph Ball, Charge Beam, save at Gathering Hall.

Segment 4: Morph Ball Bomb, save at Gathering Hall.

Segment 5: Flaahgra/Varia, save at Burning Trail.

Segment 6: Nature, Strength, Boost Ball, Wave Beam, Sun via IS, save at Observatory.

Segment 7: Supers, Elder, Thermal, Spider, Phen Shoelines save.

Segment 8: Monitor Station > Burning Trail, Wild, Life Giver, Ice Beam, Landing Site save.

Segment 9: Plasma Beam, Workstation.

Segment 10: Phendrana's Edge PB, Spirit, save at MW.

Segment 11: MWorkstation PB rock (Get a PB refill for PPC), PPC, Main PB, save at CDynamo.

Segment 12: Warrior, save at MQuarry.

Segment 13: GTH, X-ray visor, Chozo, World, save at MQuarry.

Segment 14: Waste Disposal, PPC, CDynamo.

Segment 15: MQA, FHA, FHB, MQB, Save at MQB.

Segment 16: OP, Newborn, save at Workstation.

Segment 17: Ice spreader, save at Landing Site.

Segment 18: Ridley.

Segment 19: Metroid Prime.
[/spoiler]

[spoiler="Space Jump Early run"]
Segment 1: ENTIRE Frigate Orpheon. Keep going until you get a great PQ kill and escape.

Segment 2: Hive Mecha, Morph Ball, Charge Beam.

Segment 3: Morph Ball Bomb, Flaahgra/Varia, Suntower > Vault > Main Plaza > Landing Site save.

Segment 4: Space Jump Early. Three tries is the magic number.

Segment 5: Strength, Boost Ball, Wave Beam, Sun via IS, save at Observatory.

Segment 6: Supers, Elder, Thermal, Spider, Phen Shoelines save.

Segment 7: Monitor Station > Lava Lake, Nature, Burning Trail, Wild, Life Giver, Ice Beam, Landing Site save.

Segment 8: Plasma Beam, Workstation.

Segment 9: Phendrana's Edge PB, Spirit, save at MW.

Segment 10: MWorkstation PB rock (Get a PB refill for PPC), PPC, Main PB, save at CDynamo.

Segment 11: Warrior, save at MQuarry.

Segment 12: GTH, X-ray visor, Chozo, World, save at MQuarry.

Segment 13: Waste Disposal, PPC, CDynamo.

Segment 14: MQA, FHA, FHB, MQB, Save at MQB.

Segment 15: OP, Newborn, save at Workstation.

Segment 16: Ice spreader, save at Landing Site.

Segment 17: Ridley.

Segment 18: Metroid Prime.
[/spoiler]

I think I made it a bit faster, I put Lifegiver in seg 8 or so so you don't waste time going from tallon to chozo to tallon. It's probably faster by like, 10 seconds though. I'd like to point out this route wasn't just pulled out of the air, I basically rewrote the route guest posted and changed things up to (for the most part, lol) make it faster. Probably go over this route again, you'll likely have some WTF moments :P

EDIT: I made an SJF and an SJE run. Up to seg 7 is different.

dreadedfear91

2009-09-19 11:00:10 am

Hey. have you guys tried doing a DSBJ OFF the Ship to get Space Jump Early? Its just a thought. I haven't tried it but if you guys could shed light on it it would be great.

Gu3st

2009-09-19 11:08:28 am

Jagger ftw

Just get wild then Ice beam.
TBH Life giver from landing site is 40x seconds (Crazat's time), since you are gonna use the tallon elevator any ways, just pick up life giver there. No need to go through the chozo for life giver.
You can time this if you want ^^. Wild to life giver then to gathering hall vs (Tallon room with half pipe that leads to Space jump)-> life giver then back.
@Dread, we tried, there is also a vid.

Baby Sheegoth

Edit history:

Baby Sheegoth: 2009-09-19 11:27:41 am

2009-09-19 11:13:22 am

Quote from dreadedfear91:

Hey. have you guys tried doing a DSBJ OFF the Ship to get Space Jump Early? Its just a thought. I haven't tried it but if you guys could shed light on it it would be great.

That's how you do it. A normal DBJ but do a spring on the last bomb and it gets you that extra bit of height (trade the height off for distance) to make it. A perfectly normal dbj doesn't make it.

Quote from Gu3st:

Just get wild then Ice beam.
TBH Life giver from landing site is 40x seconds (Craztad's time), since you are gonna use the tallon elevator any ways, just pick up life giver there. No need to go through the chozo for life giver.
You can time this if you want ^^. Wild to life giver then to gathering hall vs (Tallon room with half pipe that leads to Space jump)-> life giver then back.
@Dread, we tried, there is also a vid.

It saves time, you're going by that anyways, when you do it at the end of the run you're wasting time going tallon > chozo > tallon. Trust me. Also, it's only like a 10 second detour if you grab lifegiver during IB's segment.

[quote="dreadedfear91"]
Hey. have you guys tried doing a DSBJ [b]OFF the Ship[/b] to get Space Jump Early? Its just a thought. I haven't tried it but if you guys could shed light on it it would be great. 
[/quote]
That's how you do it. A normal DBJ but do a spring on the last bomb and it gets you that extra bit of height (trade the height off for distance) to make it. A perfectly normal dbj doesn't make it.

[quote="Gu3st"]
Just get wild then Ice beam.
TBH Life giver from landing site is 40x seconds (Craztad's time), since you are gonna use the tallon elevator any ways, just pick up life giver there. No need to go through the chozo for life giver.
You can time this if you want ^^. Wild to life giver then to gathering hall vs (Tallon room with half pipe that leads to Space jump)-> life giver then back.
@Dread, we tried, there is also a vid.
[/quote]
It saves time, you're going by that anyways, when you do it at the end of the run you're wasting time going tallon > chozo > tallon. Trust me. Also, it's only like a 10 second detour if you grab lifegiver during IB's segment.

T3

2009-09-19 11:34:10 am

You're not going by Life Giver. After Wild you would be going to Ice beam. If you got Life Giver after Wild you would have to go out of your way. If you pick up Life Giver at the end it only costs you like 15 secs of going out of your way and if you pick it up after wild, it's about 30 secs out of your way.

The route is very good except remove Ice spreader. It's not worth the time you have to go out of your way. Instead of just going up the Tallon elevator, you have to go through all of Fiery Shores and back, which probably ends up wasting time overall.

Also, for the early space jump route, picking up early space jump after bombs saves way more time because you can own flaahgra with the genius method.

Gu3st

2009-09-19 11:37:38 am

Jagger ftw

Ice spreader is worth it, it allows for UBER fast metroid prime 1. Besides.. you are there any ways after strength.
Metroid Prime takes 8 "Stun" to end
If you have ice spreader, once he turns ice, you can always stun him twice, once when he is facing you, an other after he charges at you.

T3

2009-09-19 11:39:59 am

Take a look at the new route again because he picks up Strength after Nature instead of at the end.

Gu3st

2009-09-19 11:42:37 am

Jagger ftw

Baby, plasma without grapple pl0x grin new

Baby Sheegoth

2009-09-19 12:06:19 pm

Quote from T3:

You're not going by Life Giver. After Wild you would be going to Ice beam. If you got Life Giver after Wild you would have to go out of your way. If you pick up Life Giver at the end it only costs you like 15 secs of going out of your way and if you pick it up after wild, it's about 30 secs out of your way.

With my route you go from wild, back down suntower > Vault > Main Plaza > Ruined Shrine > Lifegiver > Main Plaza > Ruined Nursery > Gathering hall > Ice Beam. So you would be. It should be faster...

Quote from T3:

The route is very good except remove Ice spreader. It's not worth the time you have to go out of your way. Instead of just going up the Tallon elevator, you have to go through all of Fiery Shores and back, which probably ends up wasting time overall.

It's about 30 seconds from the elevator > Ice Spreader > Back. IIRC, it saves 40 seconds in the last boss. So it'd still be worth it.

Quote from T3:

Also, for the early space jump route, picking up early space jump after bombs saves way more time because you can own flaahgra with the genius method.

You can do your genius method w/o space jump anyways. It's only about 20 seconds slower even without the genius, and this method saves like >1 minute of backtracking.

[quote="T3"]
You're not going by Life Giver. After Wild you would be going to Ice beam. If you got Life Giver after Wild you would have to go out of your way. If you pick up Life Giver at the end it only costs you like 15 secs of going out of your way and if you pick it up after wild, it's about 30 secs out of your way.
[/quote]

With my route you go from wild, back down suntower > Vault > Main Plaza > Ruined Shrine > Lifegiver > Main Plaza > Ruined Nursery > Gathering hall > Ice Beam. So you would be. It should be faster...

[quote="T3"]The route is very good except remove Ice spreader. It's not worth the time you have to go out of your way. Instead of just going up the Tallon elevator, you have to go through all of Fiery Shores and back, which probably ends up wasting time overall.[/quote]

It's about 30 seconds from the elevator > Ice Spreader > Back. IIRC, it saves 40 seconds in the last boss. So it'd still be worth it.

[quote="T3"]
Also, for the early space jump route, picking up early space jump after bombs saves way more time because you can own flaahgra with the genius method.
[/quote]

You can do your genius method w/o space jump anyways. It's only about 20 seconds slower even without the genius, and this method saves like >1 minute of backtracking.

T3

2009-09-19 12:13:32 pm

Quote:

With my route you go from wild, back down suntower > Vault > Main Plaza > Ruined Shrine > Lifegiver > Main Plaza > Ruined Nursery > Gathering hall > Ice Beam. So you would be. It should be faster...

Yes and that's going out of your way. Usually you would go the oppisite way out of Sunchamber and to Ice beam. The way your saying is going about 30 secs or more out of your way. If you come back at the end it only costs like 15 or so secs.

Quote:

You can do your genius method w/o space jump anyways. It's only about 20 seconds slower even without the genius, and this method saves like >1 minute of backtracking.

Climbing Arboretum without space jump is MUCH slower though.

Baby Sheegoth

2009-09-19 12:16:05 pm

Ah, true enough.

Climbing arbotetum isn't that much slower... maybe 4 seconds...

T3

2009-09-19 12:20:52 pm

Okay, we need to time both SJE routes. So, one route is from Arboretum > SJE > Arboretum > Flaahgra > Monitor Station > Strength. The other route from Arboretum > Flaahgra > SJE > Monitor Station > Strength.

Baby Sheegoth

2009-09-19 12:35:54 pm

Just think about it. One trip, or two. Which one sounds faster?