SJE (Space Jump Early) in Metroid Prime (Wii / Trilogy)

2009-09-18 06:43:48 pm

It's not a speedtrick. If you spent the time to get an early power bomb then you should use it to go into the mines backwards which is much, much faster.

Gu3st

2009-09-18 06:44:07 pm

Jagger ftw

T3, I told you that earlier, but you rejected Evil or Very Mad

@ Baby, nice find, but SDA doesn't allow SW for any %. Except low %.

T3

2009-09-18 06:44:37 pm

What?

Baby Sheegoth

2009-09-18 06:48:41 pm

It is a speedtrick. You grab Chozo and Xray and get them out of the way, then wallcrawl back and warp into HAT. It's much quicker if you're going to get Xray to do this than to walk all the way back to magmoor's Phazon mines spot.

T3

2009-09-18 06:55:44 pm

Well good job anyway. I'm thinking of making an unofficial speed run of this game to see what times real speed runs might be aiming for. I'm not going to use secret worlds so the route is going to be a little weird but i'm planning it out right now. SJE might take months though...

Baby Sheegoth

2009-09-18 06:56:29 pm

You're going to have to pick up spiderball, which is going to slow shit down.

T3

2009-09-18 06:58:32 pm

Yeah and the thought of having to pull off SJE within a minute...

Baby Sheegoth

2009-09-18 07:03:32 pm

I'd have to say try SJF. It speeds the run up so much. As long as you get it before 20 hours ;)

T3

2009-09-18 09:32:44 pm

How much time do you think SJE saves? I want to know how long my attempts should be. I think it probably saves a good 5min or so which leaves me with trying to pull it off in only a couple of minutes.

Gu3st

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Gu3st: 2009-09-18 10:02:37 pm

2009-09-18 09:46:09 pm

Jagger ftw

My Time from this route is 1:38
Please read before posting....
Missile
Ball
Bomb
Charge Beam
Varia
Boost Ball
Space Jump
Wave
Super
Elder
Thermal
Spider
*Notice no strength*
Nature
Wild
Ice Beam
Landing Site
Life Giver
Work station (nothing here)
Phenedge PB
Work station break the PB rock (REMEMBER TO GET A PB REFILL FOR PHAZON PROCESSING CENTER AT ONE OF THOSE CRAWLING THIG)
Phazon process
Main PB
Ore processing *Set all the spinner for grapple at lvl 3 , 2, 1*
Warrior
Grapple Beam
GTH
X ray visor,
Chozo
Plasma *Keep on reading*
Phazon processing
OP
New Born
Work station
Spirit
Sun
Strength
Ice Spreader
Landing Site
World (Climb crashed fridget)

I released this once, but T3 Rejected it khaaaan

@ T3
This DOES NOT REQUIRE GRAVITY, so no climbing the crashed fridget.
This is the only way I can think of that gets pretty much every thing in 1 go without secret world, basically no going extremely far just to get 1 item (except early PB, but this can be done WAY FASTER than climbing the crashed fridget without gravity).
If this isn't the any % route, it should still be the ss route. unless some one can get SJF in 1 go.

My Time from this route is 1:38
Please read before posting....
Missile
Ball
[b]Bomb[/b]
Charge Beam
Varia
Boost Ball
Space Jump
Wave
Super
Elder
Thermal
Spider
*Notice no strength*
Nature 
Wild 
Ice Beam
Landing Site
Life Giver
Work station (nothing here)
Phenedge PB
Work station break the PB rock (REMEMBER TO GET A PB REFILL FOR PHAZON PROCESSING CENTER AT ONE OF THOSE CRAWLING THIG)
Phazon process
Main PB
Ore processing *Set all the spinner for grapple at lvl 3 , 2, 1*
Warrior
Grapple Beam 
GTH
X ray visor,
Chozo
Plasma *Keep on reading*
Phazon processing
OP
New Born
Work station
Spirit
Sun
Strength
Ice Spreader
Landing Site
World (Climb crashed fridget)

I released this once, but T3 Rejected it   :khan:
@ T3
This DOES NOT REQUIRE GRAVITY, so no climbing the crashed fridget.
This is the only way I can think of that gets pretty much every thing in 1 go without secret world, basically no going extremely far just to get 1 item (except early PB, but this can be done WAY FASTER than climbing the crashed fridget without gravity).
If this isn't the any % route, it should still be the ss route. unless some one can get SJF in 1 go.

Baby Sheegoth

2009-09-18 09:47:36 pm

SJE saves about... probably 6-7 minutes. Saves the trek from phendrana>tallon>phendrana which is QUITE long. SJF saves about 14 minutes because of hive mecha skip, beetle skip, main plaza speedtrick, arboretum speedtrick(quickly across), gathering hall speedtrick, quicker arboretum climb, genius flaahgra kill, monitor station quick climb, wave beam right away, ice beam quickly, then boost and then through pirate labs. It's a huge timesaver :P

UchihaSasuke

2009-09-18 09:56:14 pm

my umbrella goes directly to Bankai

Quote from Gu3st:

Unfortunately SDA doesn't allow SW, so no IBBF and GTH skip. (Except if you can do a LOW percent)
This DOES NOT REQUIRE GRAVITY, so no climbing the crashed fridget.
This is the only way I can think of that gets pretty much every thing in 1 go, basically no going extremely far just to get 1 item (except early PB, but this can be done WAY FASTER than climbing the crashed fridget without gravity).

haven't you read the rules? SWs are allowed in every category. dj's mp2 low% just happened to be the first run accepted using them but they're allowed for every category now.

Gu3st

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Gu3st: 2009-09-18 10:06:37 pm

2009-09-18 10:00:47 pm

Jagger ftw

I thought that low percent was exception.
O well.
I'll leave that time there as a mark ^^.

EDIT:
Time marks: (For any one who actually want to do a run on this game)

Escape with 4:20+ (My time)
At gathering hall 9:? (Baby's time)
Complete phen's pirate base in 13 min (My time)
Under 2 min OP (My time)
6 Min Prime 1 (My time)

I will upload a video (once I get my wii back) about a few speed tricks.

Baby Sheegoth

Edit history:

Baby Sheegoth: 2009-09-19 07:42:47 am

2009-09-18 10:06:22 pm

Segment 1: ENTIRE Frigate Orpheon. Keep going until you get a great PQ kill and escape.

Segment 2: Space Jump First. Three tries.

Segment 3: Main Plaza halfpipe missile, Morph Ball, Charge Beam, save at Gathering Hall.

Segment 4: Morph Ball Bomb, save at Gathering Hall.

Segment 5: Flaahgra/Varia, save at Burning Trail.

Segment 6: Nature, Strength, Wave Beam, Boost Ball, save at Observatory.

Segment 7: Supers, Elder, Thermal, Spider, Phen Shorelines save.

Segment 8: Monitor Station > Burning Trail, Lifegiver, Wild, Ice Beam, Landing Site save.

Segment 9: Plasma Beam, Work station.

Segment 10: Phendrana's Edge PB, Spirit, save at MW

Segment 11: MWorkstation PB rock (Get a PB refill for PPC), PPC, Main PB, save at CDynamo.

Segment 12: Warrior, save at MQuarry.

Segment 13: GTH, X-ray visor, Chozo, save at MQuarry.

Segment 14: Waste Disposal, PPC, CDynamo.

Segment 15: MQA, FHA, FHB, MQB, Save at MQB.

Segment 16: OP, Newborn, Work station.

Segment 17: Sun, Ice Spreader, World, Landing Site.

Segment 18: Ridley.

Segment 19: Metroid Prime

This is a heavily modified route, I think I made it a bit fatser because some parts didn't make as much sense as what I put. But let me know.

Segment 1: ENTIRE Frigate Orpheon. Keep going until you get a great PQ kill and escape.

Segment 2: Space Jump First. Three tries.

Segment 3: Main Plaza halfpipe missile, Morph Ball, Charge Beam, save at Gathering Hall.

Segment 4: Morph Ball Bomb, save at Gathering Hall.

Segment 5: Flaahgra/Varia, save at Burning Trail.

Segment 6: Nature, Strength, Wave Beam, Boost Ball, save at Observatory.

Segment 7: Supers, Elder, Thermal, Spider, Phen Shorelines save.

Segment 8: Monitor Station > Burning Trail, Lifegiver, Wild, Ice Beam, Landing Site save.

Segment 9: Plasma Beam, Work station.

Segment 10: Phendrana's Edge PB, Spirit, save at MW

Segment 11: MWorkstation PB rock (Get a PB refill for PPC), PPC, Main PB, save at CDynamo.

Segment 12: Warrior, save at MQuarry.

Segment 13: GTH, X-ray visor, Chozo, save at MQuarry.

Segment 14: Waste Disposal, PPC, CDynamo.

Segment 15: MQA, FHA, FHB, MQB, Save at MQB.

Segment 16: OP, Newborn, Work station.

Segment 17: Sun, Ice Spreader, World, Landing Site.

Segment 18: Ridley.

Segment 19: Metroid Prime

This is a heavily modified route, I think I made it a bit fatser because some parts didn't make as much sense as what I put. But let me know.

Gu3st

Edit history:

Gu3st: 2009-09-18 10:11:36 pm

2009-09-18 10:07:21 pm

Jagger ftw

No grapple plasma? Shocked

E1

Quote:

Segment 7: Supers, Elder, Thermal, Spider, Magmoor workstation save.

Segment 8: Lifegiver, Wild, Ice Beam, Landing Site save.

I think monitor station -> (Via where nature is) wild would be faster. You can get life giver after ice beam, really shouldn't wast soo many time climb chozo ruin the front way. also, if you are gonna save in work station, still.. monitor station -> chozo via tallon would be faster than work station ->tallon->chozo.

Baby Sheegoth

2009-09-18 10:08:06 pm

Yes. It's much faster, even though it might not be much easier. It's only one trick, and it's fairly easy to pull off (and grapple takes FUCKING FOREVAR to get)

Gu3st

2009-09-18 10:12:20 pm

Jagger ftw

Get grapple after warrior, then chozo and x ray, then plasma then spirt. all fall in the same route.

Baby Sheegoth

2009-09-18 10:13:52 pm

Yes, but you waste time setting it up. It's really unnecessary to get.

Gu3st

2009-09-18 10:17:07 pm

Jagger ftw

Since you are coming out of lvl, set lvl 3's spinner in 10 seconds.
lvl 2 spinner in 20 second, lvl 1 spinner in 20 second. total is less than a min bro.

T3

2009-09-18 10:24:35 pm

Very nice route. I would definately pick up World after X-ray and then head back down to the mines instead of picking it up at the end. Also, it's probably faster to go to Wild right after spider and pick up Lifegiver at the end. I'm going to change the route a bit and we'll see what I can come up with.

Gu3st

2009-09-18 10:27:17 pm

Jagger ftw

Keep in mind, this is a good SS route as well.

T3

2009-09-18 10:34:32 pm

I forgot to mention that getting Sun with IS will save a lot of time. It may be very, very hard but it saves the treck though Phendrana at the end. Also, you mentioned Strength twice in the route.

Gu3st

2009-09-18 10:41:00 pm

Jagger ftw

One is *Note, no strength*
the other is *strength*

T3

Edit history:

T3: 2009-09-18 10:55:35 pm

2009-09-18 10:42:52 pm

I was talking about Baby Sheegoth's route. In segments 6 and 17 he mentions picking up Strength.

Edit:

Segment 1: ENTIRE Frigate Orpheon. Keep going until you get a great PQ kill and escape.

Segment 2: Space Jump First. Three tries.

Segment 3: Main Plaza halfpipe missile, Morph Ball, Charge Beam, save at Gathering Hall.

Segment 4: Morph Ball Bomb, save at Gathering Hall.

Segment 5: Flaahgra/Varia, save at Burning Trail.

Segment 6: Nature, Wave Beam, Boost Ball, save at Observatory.

Segment 7: Supers, Elder, Thermal, Spider, Magmoor workstation save.

Segment 8: Wild, Ice Beam, Landing Site save.

Segment 9: Plasma Beam, Workstation.

Segment 10: Phendrana's Edge PB, Spirit, save at MW

Segment 11: MWorkstation PB rock (Get a PB refill for PPC), PPC, Main PB, save at CDynamo.

Segment 12: Warrior, save at MQuarry.

Segment 13: GTH, X-ray visor, Chozo, World, save at MQuarry.

Segment 14: Waste Disposal, PPC, CDynamo.

Segment 15: MQA, FHA, FHB, MQB, Save at MQB.

Segment 16: OP, Newborn, save at Workstation.

Segment 17: Sun, Strength, ice spreader, Life Giver, save at Landing Site.

Segment 18: Ridley.

Segment 19: Metroid Prime

This route is slightly better. I put World after X-ray, Wild right after spider so Life Giver right at the end and I got rid of the first Strength. I left IS out because in the route, it goes Wave>Boost and it would be impossible to get Sun without having Boost ball.

I was talking about Baby Sheegoth's route. In segments 6 and 17 he mentions picking up Strength.

Edit: 
[spoiler]
Segment 1: ENTIRE Frigate Orpheon. Keep going until you get a great PQ kill and escape.

Segment 2: Space Jump First. Three tries.

Segment 3: Main Plaza halfpipe missile, Morph Ball, Charge Beam, save at Gathering Hall.

Segment 4: Morph Ball Bomb, save at Gathering Hall.

Segment 5: Flaahgra/Varia, save at Burning Trail.

Segment 6: Nature, Wave Beam, Boost Ball, save at Observatory.

Segment 7: Supers, Elder, Thermal, Spider, Magmoor workstation save.

Segment 8: Wild, Ice Beam, Landing Site save.

Segment 9: Plasma Beam, Workstation.

Segment 10: Phendrana's Edge PB, Spirit, save at MW

Segment 11: MWorkstation PB rock (Get a PB refill for PPC), PPC, Main PB, save at CDynamo.

Segment 12: Warrior, save at MQuarry.

Segment 13: GTH, X-ray visor, Chozo, World, save at MQuarry.

Segment 14: Waste Disposal, PPC, CDynamo.

Segment 15: MQA, FHA, FHB, MQB, Save at MQB.

Segment 16: OP, Newborn, save at Workstation.

Segment 17: Sun, Strength, ice spreader, Life Giver, save at Landing Site.

Segment 18: Ridley.

Segment 19: Metroid Prime
[/spoiler]

This route is slightly better. I put World after X-ray, Wild right after spider so Life Giver right at the end and I got rid of the first Strength. I left IS out because in the route, it goes Wave>Boost and it would be impossible to get Sun without having Boost ball.

Gu3st

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Gu3st: 2009-09-18 11:10:07 pm

2009-09-18 11:00:19 pm

Jagger ftw

Soo this is the updated route
Since we have SJF, I don't see the point of IBBF, it doesn't really save much because we still need to come back and get wild any ways.
Any% Feel free to customize the saving.
SJF
Missile Half Pipe
Ball
Charge
Bomb
Varia
Nature
Boost Ball
Wave
IS Sun (T3, look at my video
Super
Elder
Thermal
Spider
Work Station
Life Giver
Access to wild via this

(If this is NOT POSSIBLE, THEN ITS DEFINITELY FASTER
GOING THROUGH MONITOR STATION->LAVA CAVE->CHOZO)

Ice Beam
*We can't GTH Skip, due to lack of stupid pb*
Landing site
Monitor station
PB
Monitor station rock, get 1 refill
Central Dynamo
Main PB
Ore process, set all spinner.
Warrior
Grapple
X Ray
Chozo
Landing Site
Plasma
Spirit *I know... but when else can we get it?*
Work Station
Central Dynamo
OP
New Born
Phazon Process
Ore Process
World *No need to go to landing site then frigging climb crash fridget*
Truth
MP1
MP2
End.

EDIT:
T3
Segment 7: Supers, Elder, Thermal, Spider, Magmoor workstation save.
Segment 17: Sun, Strength, ice spreader, Life Giver, save at Landing Site.
What the? you went from magmoor to tallon to chozo, forgot life giver? ^^?

Soo this is the updated route 
Since we have SJF, I don't see the point of IBBF, it doesn't really save much because we still need to come back and get wild any ways.
Any% Feel free to customize the saving.
SJF
Missile Half Pipe
Ball 
Charge
Bomb
Varia
Nature
Boost Ball
Wave  
IS Sun (T3, look at my [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Jtw-MlYwAQ]video [/url]
Super
Elder
Thermal
Spider
Work Station
Life Giver
Access to wild [url=http://www.metroid2002.com/early_tank_main_plaza.php]via this[/url]
[spoiler] (If this is NOT POSSIBLE, THEN ITS DEFINITELY FASTER
GOING THROUGH MONITOR STATION->LAVA CAVE->CHOZO)[/spoiler]
Ice Beam
*We can't GTH Skip, due to lack of stupid pb*
Landing site
Monitor station
PB
Monitor station rock, get 1 refill
Central Dynamo
Main PB
Ore process, set all spinner.
Warrior 
Grapple
X Ray
Chozo
Landing Site
Plasma
Spirit *I know... but when else can we get it?*
Work Station
Central Dynamo
OP
New Born
Phazon Process
Ore Process
World *No need to go to landing site then frigging climb crash fridget*
Truth
MP1
MP2
End.

EDIT:
T3
Segment 7: Supers, Elder, Thermal, Spider, Magmoor workstation save.
Segment 17: Sun, Strength, ice spreader, Life Giver, save at Landing Site.
What the? you went from magmoor to tallon to chozo, forgot life giver? ^^?