21% Topic

2004-10-10 03:59:11 am

How about a 22% hard? Get like 1:3x or something.

Or what about a single segment 22%... the time wouldn't matter as much there, just fast enough that it fits on the tape. I was thinking about trying it but 21% is a lot closer than before. If it happened, I wouldn't be interested anymore because I'm not going to do a low% that isn't the minimum. And I don't see myself doing a 21% SS any time soon... >.>

smilingjack13

2004-10-10 09:33:49 am

Hmmm... I have actually considered both of your suggestions before. If I do go for a 22% speed run, I might do it on hard, just because hard mode seems to be all the rage right now.

I've thought of a 22% SS run, but I'm not sure if I have the sanity for that. If I did attempt it, I would definitely do Life Grove before Geo Core, because I don't want to keep ruining successful Geo Core runs. :( Oh, and I don't think I would be attempting the Thardus dash. Wink

Heh, 21% SS. That could be a little hard. If you want to pull it off, I'll download the video. Wink

Ekarderif

2004-10-21 08:37:43 pm

Come back alive 21%! Here's the Frigate Crash Site backwards I was talking about. Finally got it recorded: http://www.metroid2002.com/ekarderif/no_sj_fcs.avi

Daniel, Lord Bahamut

2004-11-02 01:08:50 pm

Mega Flare

Wow. Ekarderif, that was leet. I need to study that to get the timing for the TBJ down. It seems to have practical appliactions outside of low%... :D

Sesshoumaru

2004-11-05 11:04:13 pm

Well, 21%. Who knew. I was sure there'd be no hope in the universe of it, and now hope there is. Opportunity we see. Yoda I am.

I maintain that geo core without space jump is only possible with a secret world. So someone has to go find one that you don't need space jump for. At least that's a lot more plausible than a magic bomb jump which somehow gains the same length and height as the most perfect of dash/rodeo spring jumps with a twist of lemon.

Of course I'd said the same thing about suntower without spider and geo core without boost.

But in all fairness to me, neither of those things should work, and the fact that they do is an affront to all that is natural and sane.

Nevertheless, we've seen that once one gets into a secret world in magmoor, you can get over to geo core and get plasma beam without ever bothering with any foolish old bomb slot.

Who knows, geo core in 21% might even end up easier than it's been for 22.

Unfortunately I'm busy with the current ONSLAUGHT of games. And I imagine most of you are too.

(I highly recommend kirby and the amazing mirror, though the 4 kirby's dealie is confusing the dickens out of me, the new fighter power alone is worth it. Dragon uppercut, chargeable hadouken, hurricane kick, guile's sommersault kick, whatever that was called, they just packed all of street fighter into one freaking power. Well, mostly ryu, right down to the headband even, but still it's awesome.)

(parenthesis are your friends)

(they're mine at least)

But I hope some other brave soul will look into finding a magmoor secret world somewhere sometime for the purposes of this here. One that doesn't require space jump to enter, obviously.

Edit: The censorbot replaces D I C K E N S with DIVX?!? Who decided d i c k e n s was a bad word? I demand the name of the person responsible!

Well, 21%.  Who knew.  I was sure there'd be no hope in the universe of it, and now hope there is.  Opportunity we see.  Yoda I am.

I maintain that geo core without space jump is only possible with a secret world.  So someone has to go find one that you don't need space jump for.  At least that's a lot more plausible than a magic bomb jump which somehow gains the same length and height as the most perfect of dash/rodeo spring jumps with a twist of lemon.

Of course I'd said the same thing about suntower without spider and geo core without boost.

But in all fairness to me, neither of those things should work, and the fact that they do is an affront to all that is natural and sane.

Nevertheless, we've seen that once one gets into a secret world in magmoor, you can get over to geo core and get plasma beam without ever bothering with any foolish old bomb slot.

Who knows, geo core in 21% might even end up easier than it's been for 22.

Unfortunately I'm busy with the current ONSLAUGHT of games.  And I imagine most of you are too.

(I highly recommend kirby and the amazing mirror, though the 4 kirby's dealie is confusing the dickens out of me, the new fighter power alone is worth it.  Dragon uppercut, chargeable hadouken, hurricane kick,  guile's sommersault kick, whatever that was called,  they just packed all of street fighter into one freaking power.  Well, mostly ryu, right down to the headband even, but still it's awesome.)

(parenthesis are your friends)

(they're mine at least)

But I hope some other brave soul will look into finding a magmoor secret world somewhere sometime for the purposes of this here.  One that doesn't require space jump to enter, obviously.

Edit:  The censorbot replaces D I C K E N S with DIVX?!?  Who decided d i c k e n s was a bad word?  I demand the name of the person responsible!

RT-55J

2004-11-05 11:13:16 pm

Armor Guardian

Quote from Sesshoumaru:

Edit: The censorbot replaces D I C K E N S with DIVX?!? Who decided d i c k e n s was a bad word? I demand the name of the person responsible!

Actually the censorbot replaces d*ckens with divx because it contains the word d*ck. Similar thing happened to me when I typed c*ckroach; apparently the censorbot saw c*ck in the word and then replaced it with Houston.

Bladegash

2004-11-06 03:02:37 am

What in the dickens is going on here?!?

Andrew Mills

2004-11-06 12:37:02 pm

Strategy Guide Writer

*sees the request on M2k2 for an MP Secret World*

*faints*

:P :P

ajbolt89

2004-11-06 01:52:46 pm

lol no way

Erm. I uh. I've asked for one before too man. Here.

BoostR

2004-11-11 06:37:03 pm

>_>

I'd suggest one of those new uber bomb jumps (horizontal combined with 3bj) over the wave beam door to the Phendrana Transport in Workstation. The barrier isn't very high, and I'm pretty sure that much height would claer it. At least, I hope so... :o

Sesshoumaru

2004-11-11 08:26:47 pm

Wouldn't it be funny if 21% were discovered a week after Treb finished his years long 22% run.

I think it would be.

RT-55J

2004-11-11 08:33:32 pm

Armor Guardian

Quote from Sesshoumaru:

Wouldn't it be funny if 21% were discovered a week after Treb finished his years long 22% run.

I think it would be.

I think Treb would become insane if that happened; but then again, I don't know much about Treb's personality.

Sesshoumaru

2004-11-11 08:34:54 pm

I hear he's broken z-buttons on more than one controller

RT-55J

2004-11-11 09:10:16 pm

Armor Guardian

Quote from Sesshoumaru:

I hear he's broken z-buttons on more than one controller

I shudder to think about what he does to control sticks.

Trebor

2004-11-12 01:11:00 am

If 21% were discovered within the next few weeks, I wouldn't go insane; I would gladly attempt a run. Of course, it would go very very slow, but still.

As for this breaking stuff, no one was supposed to know about the Z-buttons....

Sesshoumaru

2004-11-12 01:31:05 am

From my time zone, Trebor's post was made at 11:11 on 11/11

trh

2004-11-12 05:55:34 am

7-eleven for me. :)

Zeke

2004-11-12 05:56:53 am

Time bomb set get out fast!

1:11 am in my time zone, but on the 12th, not the 11th. Hmm.

RT-55J

2004-11-12 10:17:51 am

Armor Guardian

10:11 11/11 for my time zone.

Red Scarlet

2004-11-12 12:56:37 pm

I('d) like to watch (some MP3 runs)

What I'd like to see is that since it's just 1 room keeping people from 21%..and it doesn't look likely, if someone were to do a pseudo-21% run, using an AR to start with Plasma, but not using it until when one would go and get it if the room could be done, and play through with the 21%..just to see how it would be for everywhere else.

Blublu

2004-11-12 03:13:34 pm

I've also been wondering if an "alternative 22%" run could be done. That is, instead of getting space jump, get another item that would also enable geo core to be completed... although I don't know what that item would be (boostball or something?). Just a thougt... I suck way too much to even attemp a 50% run :)

arkarian

2004-11-12 03:36:34 pm

red chamber dream

As far as I know, you need the Space Jump to complete the game on any percent.

Sesshoumaru

2004-11-12 05:03:57 pm

Is geo core really the only obstacle left for 21%?

I'm too lazy to sift through the past 6 pages, because I keep running into geo core talk, which would be invalid if the secret world method is used, which I still say is the only way it's happening

But if it's just the one room left, everyone should be on this thing!

So is anyone going to try BoostR's notion of bomb jumping over the wave beam door or am I going to have to do it?

Also if someone would post videos of the various horizontal bomb jumps that have been devised, so I won't have to go through 6 pages to find them, that'd be super.

Ekarderif

2004-11-12 05:15:12 pm

Ah, the magical "horizontal" bomb jump has been renamed to the high bomb jump as nobody has been able to ladder it. It does, however, gain a tremendous amount of height. Best demonstrations of it so far:
http://www.metroid2002.com/gamecube04/gc04_hbj_dbj.avi
http://www.metroid2002.com/gamecube04/gc04_hbj_stuff.avi

As for Geothermal Core, yes that's the stopping point for no Space Jump as well as 21%. So unless we get some magic going (where's Kyuenjin when you need him?), I don't see a solution anywhere.

Sesshoumaru

2004-11-12 06:02:42 pm

I wish I had any kind of secret world experience. After snooping around magmoor I can safely say I have no idea what it is I'm looking for.

Workstation Tunnel looks like it has a nice outside-the-map area, between the glass tube and the surrounding rock. I can even shoot through it. But it seems too small to get through.

Maybe if I try this high bomb jump in workstation somewhere I can get over the top of the surrounding rocks. Though power beam shots suggest that the rocks are higher than they are. Is it confirmed that this goes higher than an olde skool triple bomb jump?

And I take it then there is no horizontal bomb jump other than ye olde bomb ladder what was done from the ship to get space jump back in the day.

Ah well.

I think someone with AR should mull around magmoor and find entrances to secret worlds that have a chance of being bombed into.