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StefanvanDijke: 2014-08-11 02:44:03 am

2014-08-11 02:42:30 am

That's a really nice seed but indeed it requires some skill regarding bomb jumps and floaty jump. A big part of the game will also be without spacejump but it doesn't seem too bad since you can get spider and boost quite early on it seems. I'm actually working on a randomizer right now which is pretty similar to the one above. Plasma was on top of dynamo, spider was behind the ice in Ice Ruins West and boost was also on top of a spider track in Phendrana. Space Jump was given by the maze in phazon mines after beating the invisible drone.

It seems one of the most important things in the randomizer is to learn the watery hall secret world without space jump. Floaty jump will always give you additional items that can make the difference between finishing a randomizer and getting stuck.

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Daryoshi: 2014-08-11 06:22:28 am

2014-08-11 06:22:18 am

loving low%

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It seems one of the most important things in the randomizer is to learn the watery hall secret world without space jump. Floaty jump will always give you additional items that can make the difference between finishing a randomizer and getting stuck.

Oh yeah, especially since some items in Chozo Ruins can only be gotten with Floaty Jump when SJ-less. and some of those items you can get with Floaty Jump when SJ-less CAN NOT be gotten when SJ-less and no Floaty Jump (like the one in Dynamo or the one in Furnace or the one in Main Plaza at the tree; those 3 items can't even be gotten with wallcrawling; you need either floaty jump or space jump) so as long as you haven't found grapple, spider and boost, there're some items in Chozo Ruins you just can't get.
luckily though, many items can be gotten with wallcrawling W/O SJB AND W/O FJ in case of emergency (it's kinda hard), like the missile expansion in Crossway, the upper missile expansion in main plaza or the energy tank in Training Chamber. Floaty Jump is SOOOOO key in Randomizer.

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One thing I'd like to know is how many ETs are needed for each individual item in Magmoor Caverns when no heat protection.

Also, I still don't know if a 3 Tank VMR file can be completed with just Power Suit and Phazon Suit when taking Phazon Suit at the latest possible point before going to Impact Crater. I mean, getting the Artifact of Strength (if it is in Warrior Shrine as it usually is) seems to be very close if not impossible with just 3 ETs when starting from Phendrana Shorelines (we all know getting there is hellishly hard but possible). Also, getting back to the Elevator to Tallon Overworld with just those 3 ETs seems to be pretty close as well, but I guess with using the "bunnyhopping"-technique through Fire Lakes it should be possible but very hard. T3, do you know anything about this? I just finished a 4 T VMR file with Phazon Suit just for NEWBORN and yeah, I could get everything else with just 4 ETs but I'm not sure about 3 ETs...?

[quote]It seems one of the most important things in the randomizer is to learn the watery hall secret world without space jump. Floaty jump will always give you additional items that can make the difference between finishing a randomizer and getting stuck.[/quote]
Oh yeah, especially since some items in Chozo Ruins can only be gotten with Floaty Jump when SJ-less. and some of those items you can get with Floaty Jump when SJ-less CAN NOT be gotten when SJ-less and no Floaty Jump (like the one in Dynamo or the one in Furnace or the one in Main Plaza at the tree; those 3 items can't even be gotten with wallcrawling; you need either floaty jump or space jump) so as long as you haven't found grapple, spider and boost, there're some items in Chozo Ruins you just can't get.
luckily though, many items can be gotten with wallcrawling W/O SJB AND W/O FJ in case of emergency (it's kinda hard), like the missile expansion in Crossway, the upper missile expansion in main plaza or the energy tank in Training Chamber. Floaty Jump is SOOOOO key in Randomizer.

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One thing I'd like to know is how many ETs are needed for each individual item in Magmoor Caverns when no heat protection.

Also, I still don't know if a 3 Tank VMR file can be completed with just Power Suit and Phazon Suit when taking Phazon Suit at the latest possible point before going to Impact Crater. I mean, getting the Artifact of Strength (if it is in Warrior Shrine as it usually is) seems to be very close if not impossible with just 3 ETs when starting from Phendrana Shorelines (we all know getting there is hellishly hard but possible). Also, getting back to the Elevator to Tallon Overworld with just those 3 ETs seems to be pretty close as well, but I guess with using the "bunnyhopping"-technique through Fire Lakes it should be possible but very hard. T3, do you know anything about this? I just finished a 4 T VMR file with Phazon Suit just for NEWBORN and yeah, I could get everything else with just 4 ETs but I'm not sure about 3 ETs...?

2014-08-11 07:34:50 am

In a randomizer where you don't get any suit, wave beam or spacejump before magmoor you can do a varialess magmoor run with 6 tanks (without charge beam and grapple). I think it can be done with 5 tanks too, I came close but got sick after trying for a long time and decided to restart the file and get the 6th tank from training chamber. The way back is easier since you don't have to climb monitor station.

In case you get spacejump and 3 tanks (although I'm pretty sure you need ice beam and charge beam too) you could do a 3 tank run. You are really unlucky if you can't find any suit, extra energy tanks or any other usefull item in phendrana and in magmoor.

Also, aren't three tanks + space jump enough to go to warrior shrine and back from phendrana? It feels much shorter than a regular 3 tank run from tallon to magmoor.

A-M

2014-08-11 03:01:48 pm

Here is another seed without OoB needed : 1909778360

Seed: 1909778360
Excluded pickups: 5 19 28 63
Chozo - Main Plaza (Half-pipe) - Missile Expansion - Missile Expansion
Chozo - Main Plaza (Grapple ledge) - Missile Expansion - Missile Expansion
Chozo - Main Plaza (Tree) - Missile Expansion - Missile Expansion
Chozo - Main Plaza (Locked door) - Energy Tank - Energy Tank
Chozo - Ruined Fountain - Missile Expansion - Power Bombs
Chozo - Ruined Shrine ("Beetle battle") - Morph Ball - Morph Ball
Chozo - Ruined Shrine (Half-pipe) - Missile Expansion - Missile Expansion
Chozo - Ruined Shrine (Lower tunnel) - Missile Expansion - Energy Tank
Chozo - Vault - Missile Expansion - Missile Expansion
Chozo - Training Chamber - Energy Tank - Power Bomb Expansion
Chozo - Ruined Nursery - Missile Expansion - Missile Expansion
Chozo - Training Chamber Access - Missile Expansion - Missile Expansion
Chozo - Magma Pool - Power Bomb Expansion - Missile Expansion
Chozo - Tower of Light - Wavebuster - X-Ray Visor
Chozo - Tower Chamber - Artifact of Lifegiver - Missile Expansion
Chozo - Ruined Gallery (Missile wall) - Missile Expansion - Missile Expansion
Chozo - Ruined Gallery (Morph tunnel) - Missile Expansion - Artifact of World
Chozo - Transport Access North - Energy Tank - Grapple Beam
Chozo - Gathering Hall - Missile Expansion - Wave Beam
Chozo - Hive Totem - Missile Launcher - Missile Launcher
Chozo - Sunchamber (Flaahgra) - Varia Suit - Missile Expansion
Chozo - Sunchamber (Ghosts) - Artifact of Wild - Energy Tank
Chozo - Watery Hall Access - Missile Expansion - Power Bomb Expansion
Chozo - Watery Hall (Scan puzzle) - Charge Beam - Ice Beam
Chozo - Watery Hall (Underwater) - Missile Expansion - Energy Tank
Chozo - Dynamo (Lower) - Missile Expansion - Missile Expansion
Chozo - Dynamo (Spider track) - Missile Expansion - Missile Expansion
Chozo - Burn Dome (Missile) - Missile Expansion - Ice Spreader
Chozo - Burn Dome (I. Drone) - Bombs - Bombs
Chozo - Furnace (Spider tracks) - Missile Expansion - Missile Expansion
Chozo - Furnace (Inside Furnace) - Energy Tank - Missile Expansion
Chozo - Hall of the Elders - Energy Tank - Missile Expansion
Chozo - Crossway - Missile Expansion - Missile Expansion
Chozo - Elder Chamber - Artifact of World - Phazon Suit
Chozo - Antechamber - Ice Beam - Artifact of Strength
Phendrana - Phendrana Shorelines (Behind ice) - Missile Expansion - Missile Expansion
Phendrana - Phendrana Shorelines (Spider track) - Missile Expansion - Artifact of Spirit
Phendrana - Chozo Ice Temple - Artifact of Sun - Missile Expansion
Phendrana - Ice Ruins West - Power Bomb Expansion - Artifact of Lifegiver
Phendrana - Ice Ruins East (Behind ice) - Missile Expansion - Wavebuster
Phendrana - Ice Ruins East (Spider track) - Missile Expansion - Artifact of Elder
Phendrana - Chapel of the Elders - Wave Beam - Missile Expansion
Phendrana - Ruined Courtyard - Energy Tank - Missile Expansion
Phendrana - Phendrana Canyon - Boost Ball - Missile Expansion
Phendrana - Quarantine Cave - Spider Ball - Missile Expansion
Phendrana - Research Lab Hydra - Missile Expansion - Artifact of Warrior
Phendrana - Quarantine Monitor - Missile Expansion - Energy Tank
Phendrana - Observatory - Super Missile - Missile Expansion
Phendrana - Transport Access - Energy Tank - Missile Expansion
Phendrana - Control Tower - Artifact of Elder - Missile Expansion
Phendrana - Research Core - Thermal Visor - Energy Tank
Phendrana - Frost Cave - Missile Expansion - Missile Expansion
Phendrana - Research Lab Aether (Tank) - Energy Tank - Thermal Visor
Phendrana - Research Lab Aether (Morph track) - Missile Expansion - Missile Expansion
Phendrana - Gravity Chamber (Underwater) - Gravity Suit - Boost Ball
Phendrana - Gravity Chamber (Grapple ledge) - Missile Expansion - Missile Expansion
Phendrana - Storage Cave - Artifact of Spirit - Missile Expansion
Phendrana - Security Cave - Power Bomb Expansion - Energy Tank
Tallon - Landing Site - Missile Expansion - Artifact of Nature
Tallon - Alcove - Space Jump Boots - Missile Expansion
Tallon - Frigate Crash Site - Missile Expansion - Plasma Beam
Tallon - Overgrown Cavern - Missile Expansion - Missile Expansion
Tallon - Root Cave - Missile Expansion - Super Missile
Tallon - Artifact Temple - Artifact of Truth - Artifact of Truth
Tallon - Transport Tunnel B - Missile Expansion - Artifact of Wild
Tallon - Arbor Chamber - Missile Expansion - Missile Expansion
Tallon - Cargo Freight Lift to Deck Gamma - Energy Tank - Space Jump Boots
Tallon - Biohazard Containment - Missile Expansion - Artifact of Newborn
Tallon - Hydro Access Tunnel - Energy Tank - Energy Tank
Tallon - Great Tree Chamber - Missile Expansion - Missile Expansion
Tallon - Life Grove Tunnel - Missile Expansion - Power Bomb Expansion
Tallon - Life Grove (Start) - X-Ray Visor - Missile Expansion
Tallon - Life Grove (Underwater spinner) - Artifact of Chozo - Artifact of Chozo
Mines - Main Quarry - Missile Expansion - Spider Ball
Mines - Security Access A - Missile Expansion - Varia Suit
Mines - Storage Depot B - Grapple Beam - Missile Expansion
Mines - Storage Depot A - Flamethrower - Missile Expansion
Mines - Elite Research (Phazon Elite) - Artifact of Warrior - Charge Beam
Mines - Elite Research (Laser) - Missile Expansion - Missile Expansion
Mines - Elite Control Access - Missile Expansion - Artifact of Sun
Mines - Ventilation Shaft - Energy Tank - Missile Expansion
Mines - Phazon Processing Center - Missile Expansion - Missile Expansion
Mines - Processing Center Access - Energy Tank - Missile Expansion
Mines - Elite Quarters - Phazon Suit - Energy Tank
Mines - Central Dynamo - Power Bombs - Energy Tank
Mines - Metroid Quarantine B - Missile Expansion - Missile Expansion
Mines - Metroid Quarantine A - Missile Expansion - Missile Expansion
Mines - Fungal Hall B - Missile Expansion - Missile Expansion
Mines - Phazon Mining Tunnel - Artifact of Newborn - Missile Expansion
Mines - Fungal Hall Access - Missile Expansion - Missile Expansion
Magmoor - Lava Lake - Artifact of Nature - Missile Expansion
Magmoor - Triclops Pit - Missile Expansion - Energy Tank
Magmoor - Storage Cavern - Missile Expansion - Flamethrower
Magmoor - Transport Tunnel A - Energy Tank - Gravity Suit
Magmoor - Warrior Shrine - Artifact of Strength - Power Bomb Expansion
Magmoor - Shore Tunnel - Ice Spreader - Missile Expansion
Magmoor - Fiery Shores (Morph track) - Missile Expansion - Energy Tank
Magmoor - Fiery Shores (Warrior Shrine tunnel) - Power Bomb Expansion - Missile Expansion
Magmoor - Plasma Processing - Plasma Beam - Energy Tank
Magmoor - Magmoor Workstation - Energy Tank - Energy Tank

Quote from Littlenino:

You can ghetto off the spider track to get to the door that leads to Ruined Courtyard with Space Jump

I tried it a bit but didn't succeeded, do you have any advices to do it ?

Concerning the Chapel of Elder door bomb, I tried a lot and finally did it
But I have no idea about the timing, I always lay 3 bombs and hope for the best (the camera is not optimal for visual setup here)

Here is another seed without OoB needed : 1909778360

[hidden]Seed: 1909778360
Excluded pickups: 5 19 28 63 
Chozo - Main Plaza (Half-pipe) - Missile Expansion - Missile Expansion
Chozo - Main Plaza (Grapple ledge) - Missile Expansion - Missile Expansion
Chozo - Main Plaza (Tree) - Missile Expansion - Missile Expansion
Chozo - Main Plaza (Locked door) - Energy Tank - Energy Tank
Chozo - Ruined Fountain - Missile Expansion - Power Bombs
Chozo - Ruined Shrine ("Beetle battle") - Morph Ball - Morph Ball
Chozo - Ruined Shrine (Half-pipe) - Missile Expansion - Missile Expansion
Chozo - Ruined Shrine (Lower tunnel) - Missile Expansion - Energy Tank
Chozo - Vault - Missile Expansion - Missile Expansion
Chozo - Training Chamber - Energy Tank - Power Bomb Expansion
Chozo - Ruined Nursery - Missile Expansion - Missile Expansion
Chozo - Training Chamber Access - Missile Expansion - Missile Expansion
Chozo - Magma Pool - Power Bomb Expansion - Missile Expansion
Chozo - Tower of Light - Wavebuster - X-Ray Visor
Chozo - Tower Chamber - Artifact of Lifegiver - Missile Expansion
Chozo - Ruined Gallery (Missile wall) - Missile Expansion - Missile Expansion
Chozo - Ruined Gallery (Morph tunnel) - Missile Expansion - Artifact of World
Chozo - Transport Access North - Energy Tank - Grapple Beam
Chozo - Gathering Hall - Missile Expansion - Wave Beam
Chozo - Hive Totem - Missile Launcher - Missile Launcher
Chozo - Sunchamber (Flaahgra) - Varia Suit - Missile Expansion
Chozo - Sunchamber (Ghosts) - Artifact of Wild - Energy Tank
Chozo - Watery Hall Access - Missile Expansion - Power Bomb Expansion
Chozo - Watery Hall (Scan puzzle) - Charge Beam - Ice Beam
Chozo - Watery Hall (Underwater) - Missile Expansion - Energy Tank
Chozo - Dynamo (Lower) - Missile Expansion - Missile Expansion
Chozo - Dynamo (Spider track) - Missile Expansion - Missile Expansion
Chozo - Burn Dome (Missile) - Missile Expansion - Ice Spreader
Chozo - Burn Dome (I. Drone) - Bombs - Bombs
Chozo - Furnace (Spider tracks) - Missile Expansion - Missile Expansion
Chozo - Furnace (Inside Furnace) - Energy Tank - Missile Expansion
Chozo - Hall of the Elders - Energy Tank - Missile Expansion
Chozo - Crossway - Missile Expansion - Missile Expansion
Chozo - Elder Chamber - Artifact of World - Phazon Suit
Chozo - Antechamber - Ice Beam - Artifact of Strength
Phendrana - Phendrana Shorelines (Behind ice) - Missile Expansion - Missile Expansion
Phendrana - Phendrana Shorelines (Spider track) - Missile Expansion - Artifact of Spirit
Phendrana - Chozo Ice Temple - Artifact of Sun - Missile Expansion
Phendrana - Ice Ruins West - Power Bomb Expansion - Artifact of Lifegiver
Phendrana - Ice Ruins East (Behind ice) - Missile Expansion - Wavebuster
Phendrana - Ice Ruins East (Spider track) - Missile Expansion - Artifact of Elder
Phendrana - Chapel of the Elders - Wave Beam - Missile Expansion
Phendrana - Ruined Courtyard - Energy Tank - Missile Expansion
Phendrana - Phendrana Canyon - Boost Ball - Missile Expansion
Phendrana - Quarantine Cave - Spider Ball - Missile Expansion
Phendrana - Research Lab Hydra - Missile Expansion - Artifact of Warrior
Phendrana - Quarantine Monitor - Missile Expansion - Energy Tank
Phendrana - Observatory - Super Missile - Missile Expansion
Phendrana - Transport Access - Energy Tank - Missile Expansion
Phendrana - Control Tower - Artifact of Elder - Missile Expansion
Phendrana - Research Core - Thermal Visor - Energy Tank
Phendrana - Frost Cave - Missile Expansion - Missile Expansion
Phendrana - Research Lab Aether (Tank) - Energy Tank - Thermal Visor
Phendrana - Research Lab Aether (Morph track) - Missile Expansion - Missile Expansion
Phendrana - Gravity Chamber (Underwater) - Gravity Suit - Boost Ball
Phendrana - Gravity Chamber (Grapple ledge) - Missile Expansion - Missile Expansion
Phendrana - Storage Cave - Artifact of Spirit - Missile Expansion
Phendrana - Security Cave - Power Bomb Expansion - Energy Tank
Tallon - Landing Site - Missile Expansion - Artifact of Nature
Tallon - Alcove - Space Jump Boots - Missile Expansion
Tallon - Frigate Crash Site - Missile Expansion - Plasma Beam
Tallon - Overgrown Cavern - Missile Expansion - Missile Expansion
Tallon - Root Cave - Missile Expansion - Super Missile
Tallon - Artifact Temple - Artifact of Truth - Artifact of Truth
Tallon - Transport Tunnel B - Missile Expansion - Artifact of Wild
Tallon - Arbor Chamber - Missile Expansion - Missile Expansion
Tallon - Cargo Freight Lift to Deck Gamma - Energy Tank - Space Jump Boots
Tallon - Biohazard Containment - Missile Expansion - Artifact of Newborn
Tallon - Hydro Access Tunnel - Energy Tank - Energy Tank
Tallon - Great Tree Chamber - Missile Expansion - Missile Expansion
Tallon - Life Grove Tunnel - Missile Expansion - Power Bomb Expansion
Tallon - Life Grove (Start) - X-Ray Visor - Missile Expansion
Tallon - Life Grove (Underwater spinner) - Artifact of Chozo - Artifact of Chozo
Mines - Main Quarry - Missile Expansion - Spider Ball
Mines - Security Access A - Missile Expansion - Varia Suit
Mines - Storage Depot B - Grapple Beam - Missile Expansion
Mines - Storage Depot A - Flamethrower - Missile Expansion
Mines - Elite Research (Phazon Elite) - Artifact of Warrior - Charge Beam
Mines - Elite Research (Laser) - Missile Expansion - Missile Expansion
Mines - Elite Control Access - Missile Expansion - Artifact of Sun
Mines - Ventilation Shaft - Energy Tank - Missile Expansion
Mines - Phazon Processing Center - Missile Expansion - Missile Expansion
Mines - Processing Center Access - Energy Tank - Missile Expansion
Mines - Elite Quarters - Phazon Suit - Energy Tank
Mines - Central Dynamo - Power Bombs - Energy Tank
Mines - Metroid Quarantine B - Missile Expansion - Missile Expansion
Mines - Metroid Quarantine A - Missile Expansion - Missile Expansion
Mines - Fungal Hall B - Missile Expansion - Missile Expansion
Mines - Phazon Mining Tunnel - Artifact of Newborn - Missile Expansion
Mines - Fungal Hall Access - Missile Expansion - Missile Expansion
Magmoor - Lava Lake - Artifact of Nature - Missile Expansion
Magmoor - Triclops Pit - Missile Expansion - Energy Tank
Magmoor - Storage Cavern - Missile Expansion - Flamethrower
Magmoor - Transport Tunnel A - Energy Tank - Gravity Suit
Magmoor - Warrior Shrine - Artifact of Strength - Power Bomb Expansion
Magmoor - Shore Tunnel - Ice Spreader - Missile Expansion
Magmoor - Fiery Shores (Morph track) - Missile Expansion - Energy Tank
Magmoor - Fiery Shores (Warrior Shrine tunnel) - Power Bomb Expansion - Missile Expansion
Magmoor - Plasma Processing - Plasma Beam - Energy Tank
Magmoor - Magmoor Workstation - Energy Tank - Energy Tank
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[quote=Littlenino]You can ghetto off the spider track to get to the door that leads to Ruined Courtyard with Space Jump[/quote]

I tried it a bit but didn't succeeded, do you have any advices to do it ?

Concerning the Chapel of Elder door bomb, I tried a lot and finally [url=http://youtu.be/Y6PbESqEMrY?t=2m8s]did it[/url]
But I have no idea about the timing, I always lay 3 bombs and hope for the best (the camera is not optimal for visual setup here)

Littlenino

2014-08-11 08:07:29 pm

Quote from A-M:

I tried it a bit but didn't succeeded, do you have any advices to do it ?

Unfortunately, no, because I've never done it myself. I've been told by many that it's possible though.

2014-08-11 10:43:34 pm

loving low%

nino: might have been a misunderstanding of yours then, or they were misunderstanding/ misspelling or they lied at you. Of course, it could just be that A-M, you and I can't get it but "they" got it but considering we're 3 serious players there might at least be the possibility that it's not possible to get up the Spider Track in Quarantine Cave where you Thardus Dash over. Haven't tested for long though.

Aruki

2014-08-11 10:44:36 pm

You can ghetto up, just not off the spider track. You can either go left onto the raised ledge with one of the stone supports and rodeo jump to the top of the track, or you can ghetto off the rocks behind the track.

2014-08-11 10:55:50 pm

loving low%

alright I'll go there sometime soon thx

UchihaSasuke

2014-08-12 03:05:03 am

my umbrella goes directly to Bankai

i've done that ghetto to get through the thardus room backwards. if i can do it, it means it is easy.

i use the ghetto to the right side where the metal thing and some rocks meet up.
i wish i remembered which randomizer i used that trick on to make a highlight.

2014-08-12 04:41:08 pm

sorry if someone has explained it in this thread already, but how do you get floaty jump in chozo ruins?

TheMG2

2014-08-12 04:47:23 pm

You do the mirror flipping skip in round 4 so you are in the poison water at the end of the fight. That activates pre-floaty jump glitch, which will not go away until you use an elevator or save and reload.

Then you go oob and exit water sideways. This is done in either gathering hall or watery hall. Then you have floaty jump. If you touch water and lose it, you can get it back by going back oob.

2014-08-12 04:51:54 pm

can it be done with sj? which room is easier to do it in?

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StefanvanDijke: 2014-08-12 04:55:44 pm

StefanvanDijke: 2014-08-12 04:55:30 pm

StefanvanDijke: 2014-08-12 04:55:27 pm

2014-08-12 04:52:00 pm

you need to beat flaahgra with bombing the last bomb slot from the outside and be in the acid water the moment the killed flaahgra cutscene starts. Then you have to enter and exit any water from out of bounds (remember not to take an elevator or save and quit as it will end your floaty jump possibilities.

You could enter gathering hall and watery hall secret worlds without spacejump. I would recomend watery hall as it is much easier, there is a vid somewhere in this threat. You can easily get back in bounds by doorwarping back into dynamo access.

edit. ok, The MG2 pretty much has the same post

2014-08-12 04:52:32 pm

great, thanks

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BioSpark: 2014-08-12 10:50:21 pm

2014-08-12 10:23:30 pm

how do you do the gathering hall secret world? the bomb jump in watery hall is impossible.

or if anyone has advice on the watery hall bomb jump.

Littlenino

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Littlenino: 2014-08-12 11:27:11 pm

Littlenino: 2014-08-12 11:25:10 pm

2014-08-12 11:24:01 pm

The Gathering Hall secret world is a pain in the ass without SJ as it requires doing a really precise scan dash onto the ledge you normally ghetto off of for the start of the IBBF wallcrawl, and then you have to do a HBJ from that spot to get up to and out of the hole in the wall. The Watery Hall secret world is honestly tons easier without SJ (imo) because, while resetting to try again takes like a minute if on console due to floating, you'll keep more of your hair in the process.

The bomb jump for the watery hall SW is very similar to how you do Biohazard in the frigate (assuming you've ever seen or done that). You place the first bomb square in the corner, and then start to roll out of the niche right as the first bomb is due to blow, place your second bomb as you would normally with your third being placed right as you line up with the ledge above you (The timing is slightly longer than for a usual 2BJ, but shorter than a full Double Bomb Jump), slide back onto the niche while waiting for the bombs, roll out as they're ready to blow, and then unmorphing at the peak should drop you right on the ledge above you.

It might be worth practicing it on emulator until you get a feel for the timing because floating back up each time on console would be painful.

The Gathering Hall secret world is a pain in the ass without SJ as it requires doing a really precise scan dash onto the ledge you normally ghetto off of for the start of the IBBF wallcrawl, and then you have to do a HBJ from that spot to get up to and out of the hole in the wall. The Watery Hall secret world is honestly tons easier without SJ (imo) because, while resetting to try again takes like a minute if on console due to floating, you'll keep more of your hair in the process.

The bomb jump for the watery hall SW is very similar to how you do Biohazard in the frigate (assuming you've ever seen or done that). You place the first bomb square in the corner, and then start to roll out of the niche right as the first bomb is due to blow, place your second bomb as you would normally with your third being placed right as you line up with the ledge above you (The timing is slightly longer than for a usual 2BJ, but shorter than a full Double Bomb Jump), slide back onto the niche while waiting for the bombs, roll out as they're ready to blow, and then unmorphing at the peak should drop you right on the ledge above you.

It might be worth practicing it on emulator until you get a feel for the timing because floating back up each time on console would be painful.

2014-08-12 11:28:08 pm

i actually found a way to bomb jump back up off of the vine that seems to be faster on average. unfortunately i can't practice on emulator, but i guess i can try doing that on console again

Littlenino

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Littlenino: 2014-08-12 11:44:37 pm

Littlenino: 2014-08-12 11:43:59 pm

2014-08-12 11:39:13 pm

http://www.twitch.tv/littlenino/b/557205360

I dunno if you've found a video for it yet, but you can see me doing the bomb jump @ ~1:28:xx (on the timer itself, not the VOD timestamp). It might be useful for visualizing my attempt at an explanation. I also activate floaty and do the door warp that StefanvanDijike mentioned shortly after getting OOB (in case you want/need reference for those too)

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StefanvanDijke: 2014-08-13 03:27:06 am

StefanvanDijke: 2014-08-13 03:26:24 am

2014-08-13 02:55:31 am

yeah, pull back before the 2nd bomb explodes and unmorph and push forward right after the 3rd bomb explodes.

Finished my 2nd seed.

Seed: 1233318914
Excluded pickups: 5 19 28 63
Chozo - Main Plaza (Half-pipe) - Missile Expansion - Artifact of Elder
Chozo - Main Plaza (Grapple ledge) - Missile Expansion - Flamethrower
Chozo - Main Plaza (Tree) - Missile Expansion - Ice Spreader
Chozo - Main Plaza (Locked door) - Energy Tank - Missile Expansion
Chozo - Ruined Fountain - Missile Expansion - Missile Expansion
Chozo - Ruined Shrine ("Beetle battle") - Morph Ball - Morph Ball
Chozo - Ruined Shrine (Half-pipe) - Missile Expansion - Missile Expansion
Chozo - Ruined Shrine (Lower tunnel) - Missile Expansion - Missile Expansion
Chozo - Vault - Missile Expansion - Missile Expansion
Chozo - Training Chamber - Energy Tank - Energy Tank
Chozo - Ruined Nursery - Missile Expansion - Missile Expansion
Chozo - Training Chamber Access - Missile Expansion - Missile Expansion
Chozo - Magma Pool - Power Bomb Expansion - Artifact of Newborn
Chozo - Tower of Light - Wavebuster - Power Bomb Expansion
Chozo - Tower Chamber - Artifact of Lifegiver - Phazon Suit
Chozo - Ruined Gallery (Missile wall) - Missile Expansion - Artifact of Lifegiver
Chozo - Ruined Gallery (Morph tunnel) - Missile Expansion - Missile Expansion
Chozo - Transport Access North - Energy Tank - Varia Suit
Chozo - Gathering Hall - Missile Expansion - Energy Tank
Chozo - Hive Totem - Missile Launcher - Missile Launcher
Chozo - Sunchamber (Flaahgra) - Varia Suit - Super Missile
Chozo - Sunchamber (Ghosts) - Artifact of Wild - Ice Beam
Chozo - Watery Hall Access - Missile Expansion - Grapple Beam
Chozo - Watery Hall (Scan puzzle) - Charge Beam - Charge Beam
Chozo - Watery Hall (Underwater) - Missile Expansion - Missile Expansion
Chozo - Dynamo (Lower) - Missile Expansion - Missile Expansion
Chozo - Dynamo (Spider track) - Missile Expansion - Plasma Beam
Chozo - Burn Dome (Missile) - Missile Expansion - Energy Tank
Chozo - Burn Dome (I. Drone) - Bombs - Bombs
Chozo - Furnace (Spider tracks) - Missile Expansion - Missile Expansion
Chozo - Furnace (Inside Furnace) - Energy Tank - Missile Expansion
Chozo - Hall of the Elders - Energy Tank - Artifact of Spirit
Chozo - Crossway - Missile Expansion - Missile Expansion
Chozo - Elder Chamber - Artifact of World - Gravity Suit
Chozo - Antechamber - Ice Beam - Power Bomb Expansion
Phendrana - Phendrana Shorelines (Behind ice) - Missile Expansion - Missile Expansion
Phendrana - Phendrana Shorelines (Spider track) - Missile Expansion - Boost Ball
Phendrana - Chozo Ice Temple - Artifact of Sun - Artifact of Wild
Phendrana - Ice Ruins West - Power Bomb Expansion - Spider Ball
Phendrana - Ice Ruins East (Behind ice) - Missile Expansion - Missile Expansion
Phendrana - Ice Ruins East (Spider track) - Missile Expansion - Missile Expansion
Phendrana - Chapel of the Elders - Wave Beam - Energy Tank
Phendrana - Ruined Courtyard - Energy Tank - Artifact of Sun
Phendrana - Phendrana Canyon - Boost Ball - Power Bombs
Phendrana - Quarantine Cave - Spider Ball - Missile Expansion
Phendrana - Research Lab Hydra - Missile Expansion - Energy Tank
Phendrana - Quarantine Monitor - Missile Expansion - Missile Expansion
Phendrana - Observatory - Super Missile - Missile Expansion
Phendrana - Transport Access - Energy Tank - Missile Expansion
Phendrana - Control Tower - Artifact of Elder - Missile Expansion
Phendrana - Research Core - Thermal Visor - Missile Expansion
Phendrana - Frost Cave - Missile Expansion - Missile Expansion
Phendrana - Research Lab Aether (Tank) - Energy Tank - Missile Expansion
Phendrana - Research Lab Aether (Morph track) - Missile Expansion - Artifact of World
Phendrana - Gravity Chamber (Underwater) - Gravity Suit - Missile Expansion
Phendrana - Gravity Chamber (Grapple ledge) - Missile Expansion - Missile Expansion
Phendrana - Storage Cave - Artifact of Spirit - Missile Expansion
Phendrana - Security Cave - Power Bomb Expansion - Energy Tank
Tallon - Landing Site - Missile Expansion - Missile Expansion
Tallon - Alcove - Space Jump Boots - Artifact of Strength
Tallon - Frigate Crash Site - Missile Expansion - Energy Tank
Tallon - Overgrown Cavern - Missile Expansion - Missile Expansion
Tallon - Root Cave - Missile Expansion - Artifact of Chozo
Tallon - Artifact Temple - Artifact of Truth - Artifact of Truth
Tallon - Transport Tunnel B - Missile Expansion - Missile Expansion
Tallon - Arbor Chamber - Missile Expansion - Missile Expansion
Tallon - Cargo Freight Lift to Deck Gamma - Energy Tank - Energy Tank
Tallon - Biohazard Containment - Missile Expansion - Missile Expansion
Tallon - Hydro Access Tunnel - Energy Tank - Energy Tank
Tallon - Great Tree Chamber - Missile Expansion - Missile Expansion
Tallon - Life Grove Tunnel - Missile Expansion - Wave Beam
Tallon - Life Grove (Start) - X-Ray Visor - Missile Expansion
Tallon - Life Grove (Underwater spinner) - Artifact of Chozo - Missile Expansion
Mines - Main Quarry - Missile Expansion - Missile Expansion
Mines - Security Access A - Missile Expansion - Missile Expansion
Mines - Storage Depot B - Grapple Beam - Energy Tank
Mines - Storage Depot A - Flamethrower - Artifact of Nature
Mines - Elite Research (Phazon Elite) - Artifact of Warrior - Energy Tank
Mines - Elite Research (Laser) - Missile Expansion - Missile Expansion
Mines - Elite Control Access - Missile Expansion - Power Bomb Expansion
Mines - Ventilation Shaft - Energy Tank - Energy Tank
Mines - Phazon Processing Center - Missile Expansion - Missile Expansion
Mines - Processing Center Access - Energy Tank - X-Ray Visor
Mines - Elite Quarters - Phazon Suit - Missile Expansion
Mines - Central Dynamo - Power Bombs - Space Jump Boots
Mines - Metroid Quarantine B - Missile Expansion - Power Bomb Expansion
Mines - Metroid Quarantine A - Missile Expansion - Missile Expansion
Mines - Fungal Hall B - Missile Expansion - Missile Expansion
Mines - Phazon Mining Tunnel - Artifact of Newborn - Missile Expansion
Mines - Fungal Hall Access - Missile Expansion - Missile Expansion
Magmoor - Lava Lake - Artifact of Nature - Thermal Visor
Magmoor - Triclops Pit - Missile Expansion - Energy Tank
Magmoor - Storage Cavern - Missile Expansion - Missile Expansion
Magmoor - Transport Tunnel A - Energy Tank - Missile Expansion
Magmoor - Warrior Shrine - Artifact of Strength - Artifact of Warrior
Magmoor - Shore Tunnel - Ice Spreader - Missile Expansion
Magmoor - Fiery Shores (Morph track) - Missile Expansion - Missile Expansion
Magmoor - Fiery Shores (Warrior Shrine tunnel) - Power Bomb Expansion - Wavebuster
Magmoor - Plasma Processing - Plasma Beam - Missile Expansion
Magmoor - Magmoor Workstation - Energy Tank - Energy Tank

Requires watery hall secret world + floaty jump since plasma is on top of dynamo and spider ball is in ice ruins west. I got a bit nervous near the end when I was already convinced I was gonna finish this seed but then found xray visor to be behind the gate after omega. Luckely omega did not hold any of the artifacts.

yeah, pull back before the 2nd bomb explodes and unmorph and push forward right after the 3rd bomb explodes.

Finished my 2nd seed.

[hidden]Seed: 1233318914
Excluded pickups: 5 19 28 63 
Chozo - Main Plaza (Half-pipe) - Missile Expansion - Artifact of Elder
Chozo - Main Plaza (Grapple ledge) - Missile Expansion - Flamethrower
Chozo - Main Plaza (Tree) - Missile Expansion - Ice Spreader
Chozo - Main Plaza (Locked door) - Energy Tank - Missile Expansion
Chozo - Ruined Fountain - Missile Expansion - Missile Expansion
Chozo - Ruined Shrine ("Beetle battle") - Morph Ball - Morph Ball
Chozo - Ruined Shrine (Half-pipe) - Missile Expansion - Missile Expansion
Chozo - Ruined Shrine (Lower tunnel) - Missile Expansion - Missile Expansion
Chozo - Vault - Missile Expansion - Missile Expansion
Chozo - Training Chamber - Energy Tank - Energy Tank
Chozo - Ruined Nursery - Missile Expansion - Missile Expansion
Chozo - Training Chamber Access - Missile Expansion - Missile Expansion
Chozo - Magma Pool - Power Bomb Expansion - Artifact of Newborn
Chozo - Tower of Light - Wavebuster - Power Bomb Expansion
Chozo - Tower Chamber - Artifact of Lifegiver - Phazon Suit
Chozo - Ruined Gallery (Missile wall) - Missile Expansion - Artifact of Lifegiver
Chozo - Ruined Gallery (Morph tunnel) - Missile Expansion - Missile Expansion
Chozo - Transport Access North - Energy Tank - Varia Suit
Chozo - Gathering Hall - Missile Expansion - Energy Tank
Chozo - Hive Totem - Missile Launcher - Missile Launcher
Chozo - Sunchamber (Flaahgra) - Varia Suit - Super Missile
Chozo - Sunchamber (Ghosts) - Artifact of Wild - Ice Beam
Chozo - Watery Hall Access - Missile Expansion - Grapple Beam
Chozo - Watery Hall (Scan puzzle) - Charge Beam - Charge Beam
Chozo - Watery Hall (Underwater) - Missile Expansion - Missile Expansion
Chozo - Dynamo (Lower) - Missile Expansion - Missile Expansion
Chozo - Dynamo (Spider track) - Missile Expansion - Plasma Beam
Chozo - Burn Dome (Missile) - Missile Expansion - Energy Tank
Chozo - Burn Dome (I. Drone) - Bombs - Bombs
Chozo - Furnace (Spider tracks) - Missile Expansion - Missile Expansion
Chozo - Furnace (Inside Furnace) - Energy Tank - Missile Expansion
Chozo - Hall of the Elders - Energy Tank - Artifact of Spirit
Chozo - Crossway - Missile Expansion - Missile Expansion
Chozo - Elder Chamber - Artifact of World - Gravity Suit
Chozo - Antechamber - Ice Beam - Power Bomb Expansion
Phendrana - Phendrana Shorelines (Behind ice) - Missile Expansion - Missile Expansion
Phendrana - Phendrana Shorelines (Spider track) - Missile Expansion - Boost Ball
Phendrana - Chozo Ice Temple - Artifact of Sun - Artifact of Wild
Phendrana - Ice Ruins West - Power Bomb Expansion - Spider Ball
Phendrana - Ice Ruins East (Behind ice) - Missile Expansion - Missile Expansion
Phendrana - Ice Ruins East (Spider track) - Missile Expansion - Missile Expansion
Phendrana - Chapel of the Elders - Wave Beam - Energy Tank
Phendrana - Ruined Courtyard - Energy Tank - Artifact of Sun
Phendrana - Phendrana Canyon - Boost Ball - Power Bombs
Phendrana - Quarantine Cave - Spider Ball - Missile Expansion
Phendrana - Research Lab Hydra - Missile Expansion - Energy Tank
Phendrana - Quarantine Monitor - Missile Expansion - Missile Expansion
Phendrana - Observatory - Super Missile - Missile Expansion
Phendrana - Transport Access - Energy Tank - Missile Expansion
Phendrana - Control Tower - Artifact of Elder - Missile Expansion
Phendrana - Research Core - Thermal Visor - Missile Expansion
Phendrana - Frost Cave - Missile Expansion - Missile Expansion
Phendrana - Research Lab Aether (Tank) - Energy Tank - Missile Expansion
Phendrana - Research Lab Aether (Morph track) - Missile Expansion - Artifact of World
Phendrana - Gravity Chamber (Underwater) - Gravity Suit - Missile Expansion
Phendrana - Gravity Chamber (Grapple ledge) - Missile Expansion - Missile Expansion
Phendrana - Storage Cave - Artifact of Spirit - Missile Expansion
Phendrana - Security Cave - Power Bomb Expansion - Energy Tank
Tallon - Landing Site - Missile Expansion - Missile Expansion
Tallon - Alcove - Space Jump Boots - Artifact of Strength
Tallon - Frigate Crash Site - Missile Expansion - Energy Tank
Tallon - Overgrown Cavern - Missile Expansion - Missile Expansion
Tallon - Root Cave - Missile Expansion - Artifact of Chozo
Tallon - Artifact Temple - Artifact of Truth - Artifact of Truth
Tallon - Transport Tunnel B - Missile Expansion - Missile Expansion
Tallon - Arbor Chamber - Missile Expansion - Missile Expansion
Tallon - Cargo Freight Lift to Deck Gamma - Energy Tank - Energy Tank
Tallon - Biohazard Containment - Missile Expansion - Missile Expansion
Tallon - Hydro Access Tunnel - Energy Tank - Energy Tank
Tallon - Great Tree Chamber - Missile Expansion - Missile Expansion
Tallon - Life Grove Tunnel - Missile Expansion - Wave Beam
Tallon - Life Grove (Start) - X-Ray Visor - Missile Expansion
Tallon - Life Grove (Underwater spinner) - Artifact of Chozo - Missile Expansion
Mines - Main Quarry - Missile Expansion - Missile Expansion
Mines - Security Access A - Missile Expansion - Missile Expansion
Mines - Storage Depot B - Grapple Beam - Energy Tank
Mines - Storage Depot A - Flamethrower - Artifact of Nature
Mines - Elite Research (Phazon Elite) - Artifact of Warrior - Energy Tank
Mines - Elite Research (Laser) - Missile Expansion - Missile Expansion
Mines - Elite Control Access - Missile Expansion - Power Bomb Expansion
Mines - Ventilation Shaft - Energy Tank - Energy Tank
Mines - Phazon Processing Center - Missile Expansion - Missile Expansion
Mines - Processing Center Access - Energy Tank - X-Ray Visor
Mines - Elite Quarters - Phazon Suit - Missile Expansion
Mines - Central Dynamo - Power Bombs - Space Jump Boots
Mines - Metroid Quarantine B - Missile Expansion - Power Bomb Expansion
Mines - Metroid Quarantine A - Missile Expansion - Missile Expansion
Mines - Fungal Hall B - Missile Expansion - Missile Expansion
Mines - Phazon Mining Tunnel - Artifact of Newborn - Missile Expansion
Mines - Fungal Hall Access - Missile Expansion - Missile Expansion
Magmoor - Lava Lake - Artifact of Nature - Thermal Visor
Magmoor - Triclops Pit - Missile Expansion - Energy Tank
Magmoor - Storage Cavern - Missile Expansion - Missile Expansion
Magmoor - Transport Tunnel A - Energy Tank - Missile Expansion
Magmoor - Warrior Shrine - Artifact of Strength - Artifact of Warrior
Magmoor - Shore Tunnel - Ice Spreader - Missile Expansion
Magmoor - Fiery Shores (Morph track) - Missile Expansion - Missile Expansion
Magmoor - Fiery Shores (Warrior Shrine tunnel) - Power Bomb Expansion - Wavebuster
Magmoor - Plasma Processing - Plasma Beam - Missile Expansion
Magmoor - Magmoor Workstation - Energy Tank - Energy Tank[/hidden]

Requires watery hall secret world + floaty jump since plasma is on top of dynamo and spider ball is in ice ruins west. I got a bit nervous near the end when I was already convinced I was gonna finish this seed but then found xray visor to be behind the gate after omega. Luckely omega did not hold any of the artifacts.

A-M

2014-08-13 04:39:18 am

I do the Watery Hall SW in a slightly different way than Littlenino, the same way as Stefan I think : I keep my joystick forward all the time, it's just before the second one explodes that I push the joystick backward (video) I don't know wich one is the most consistent, I'll try Littlenino strat next time

2014-08-13 04:58:35 am

loving low%

@StefanvanDijke:

Quote:

. I got a bit nervous near the end when I was already convinced I was gonna finish this seed but then found xray visor to be behind the gate after omega. Luckely omega did not hold any of the artifacts.

T3 found a way to get that item (usually an Energy Tank) in that room between PPC and Omega Pirate room (Elite Quarters) you need Boost Ball, though, and the wallcrawl isn't exactly easy.