MP3 is no longer a Wii Launch Title! *dances*

2006-05-11 06:03:46 pm

Strategy Guide Writer

According to IGN in an interview with Retro...

Quote from IGN:

In an interview with the Retro Studios team, IGN Wii learned today that Metroid Prime 3: Corruption will indeed be a launch game for Nintendo Wii. Developed from the ground up for the new platform and its unique controllers, Metroid will arrive alongside The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess offering up a first-party double punch when the console ships this holiday season

For fuck sake Retro! There's hardly been any time since MP2, and you'll have a NEW one out (with a whole new control method implimented) ready for November!? It... needs... more... development...time! ](*,) ](*,)

MP2 suffered from a lack of time to simmer in development, and thus suffered as being a lesser game (in most people's eyes both Hardcore and casual as the general comments and - more importantly - sales figures prove this to be the case). :|

As far as I'm - personally - concerned, this isn't good news at all. I'm staking $$$ on it not being as good as MP1, as that really had a LOT more time to take shape. And it was all the better for it.

Still, at the end of the day, cash is king and bills must be paid eh?...

Oh and I just noticed this little nugget as well:

Quote from IGN:

however, support of the system's 24-hour-connection is under consideration. This would allow Nintendo to push upgrades and additional content to Metroid Prime 3: Corruption owners with wireless connections even when the console is switched off.

That smells of Sequence Breaking/Secret World/glitch-fixing patches in the pipeline to me... Looks like it'll be fun trying to use the virtual Console and not having MP3 anti-SB your game... Rolling Eyes

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According to IGN in an interview with Retro...

[quote="IGN"]In an interview with the Retro Studios team, IGN Wii learned today that Metroid Prime 3: Corruption will indeed be a launch game for Nintendo Wii. Developed from the ground up for the new platform and its unique controllers, Metroid will arrive alongside The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess offering up a first-party double punch when the console ships this holiday season[/quote]
 :cry:  :cry:  :cry:  :cry:

For fuck sake Retro! There's hardly been any time since MP2, and you'll have a NEW one out (with a whole new control method implimented) ready for November!? It... needs... more... development...time! ](*,)  ](*,)

MP2 suffered from a lack of time to simmer in development, and thus suffered as being a lesser game (in most people's eyes both Hardcore and casual as the general comments and - more importantly - sales figures prove this to be the case). :|

As far as I'm - personally - concerned, this isn't good news at all. I'm staking $$$ on it not being as good as MP1, as that really had a LOT more time to take shape. And it was all the better for it.

Still, at the end of the day, cash is king and bills must be paid eh?...

Oh and I just noticed this little nugget as well:

[quote="IGN"]however, support of the system's 24-hour-connection is under consideration. This would allow Nintendo to push upgrades and additional content to Metroid Prime 3: Corruption owners with wireless connections even when the console is switched off.[/quote]
That smells of Sequence Breaking/Secret World/glitch-fixing patches in the pipeline to me... Looks like it'll be fun trying to use the virtual Console and not having MP3 anti-SB your game...  :roll:

nate

2006-05-11 06:07:58 pm

i think it's no coincidence the 24-hour connection and the launch title are mentioned so close together like that.

Metatroid

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2006-05-11 06:09:39 pm

Ah dammit. This flickerbatting sucks. Oh well. If the Wii comes out in fall, that'll probably be enough time to make it a decent game. I would've been happier if it was held until early 2007, though.

UchihaSasuke

2006-05-11 06:21:52 pm

my umbrella goes directly to Bankai

i think that if the game doesn't have multiplayer and has more steamlined worlds, it could be good still, kinda like mp1 which isn't that big compared to mp2 but they wasted a lot of time with the dark world in mp2. also, mp1 is a lot more fun to speed run for the majority of players.

but a delay could be always show up later. remember how TP was delayed in like august/september of last year, even after numerous executives swearing that the game would be out last year? (while the nov 2005 date was never official, the development schedule pointed to that date before they announced the delay into 2006)

Metatroid

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2006-05-11 06:24:44 pm

Quote from PiccoloCube:

i think that if the game doesn't have multiplayer and has more steamlined worlds, it could be good still, kinda like mp1 which isn't that big compared to mp2 but they wasted a lot of time with the dark world in mp2. also, mp1 is a lot more fun to speed run for the majority of players.

but a delay could be always show up later. remember how TP was delayed in like august/september of last year, even after numerous executives swearing that the game would be out last year? (while the nov 2005 date was never official, the development schedule pointed to that date before they announced the delay into 2006)

Amen.

Yoshi348

2006-05-11 06:32:17 pm

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Ready and willing.

No pointless "me too" posts, please.

Metatroid

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2006-05-11 06:42:49 pm

Sorry.

I think Corruption will be about as good as Echoes was. Slightly worse than Prime, but still a decent game. If it focuses on the Phazon storyline a lot, it'll be my favorite Metroid game. I just love the whole Phazon plot.

13M13

2006-05-11 07:05:36 pm

l'appel du vide

...the hell?

Echoes was released two years after Prime, and Corruption will be released two years after Echoes...what's the problem?

Oh...wait...nevermind... Rolling Eyes

Metatroid

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2006-05-11 08:17:31 pm

It's just that Corruption is for a whole new system. On top of that, it'll be a launch title. Launch titles are usually not as good as later games for the console. I mean, look at Super Mario Sunshine. It was much better than any launch title because the developers could use the full extent of the system. Also, it hasn't been two years since Echoes was released, only 1 and a half.

arkarian

2006-05-11 08:32:22 pm

red chamber dream

Quote from Metatroid:

It's just that Corruption is for a whole new system. On top of that, it'll be a launch title.

No, that's not really why at all. Many launch titles are awesome (read: SSBM, Pikmin, Luigi's Mansion, Mario 64 (according to most people), etc.). The problem is exactly what 13M13 said: it's only been (less than) two years since Echoes. Sure, Echoes was released two years after Prime, but that wasn't enough time, either. Retro needs to spend a good three years on every game imo. The amount of work put into Prime I shows that clearly.

Metatroid

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2006-05-11 08:49:01 pm

Good point. Corruption is coming out way too early. Hopefully it won't bomb. And yes, I know that some launch titles are winners. But the Wii is a whole new concept. A motion-sensitive controller is a lot to deal with from a launch title. I'm worried that the controls won't be used as well as they could have been if it took longer to develop. But from the videos, it doesn't seem to be a problem so far.

Dr. Trence

2006-05-11 10:30:03 pm

Corruption will surely be delayed. I didn't even know Retro was planning to put it on gamecube, but that would of been awsome. Retro's already delayed the game technically, they haven't been using Wii's programs since the Wii was still in production. Retro, all this time might have just been drawing out the story-line, the characters, etc. But now that the Wii is complete (or something like that), retro can now make the game, and run it on the Wii.

question: how would they have used a wireless controller for the gamecube anyway? unless i'm wrong about them originally putting it on the gamecube, it seems really weird that they would be able to make a wireless controller, just for MP3 for the gamecube. of course, they could use it for other games... but i don't know

-sorta off topic- but if MP3 will be out sometime in a future november (since the other primes were out in november, i think), then i'm not worried. my birthday is on November 20th, and i'm sure i'll be able to get it, whether it's on Wii, or gamecube.

Corruption will surely be delayed. I didn't even know Retro was planning to put it on gamecube, but that would of been awsome. Retro's already delayed the game technically, they haven't been using Wii's programs since the Wii was still in production. Retro, all this time might have just been drawing out the story-line, the characters, etc. But now that the Wii is complete (or something like that), retro can now make the game, and run it on the Wii.

question: how would they have used a wireless controller for the gamecube anyway? unless i'm wrong about them originally putting it on the gamecube, it seems really weird that they would be able to make a wireless controller, just for MP3 for the gamecube. of course, they could use it for other games... but i don't know

-sorta off topic- but if MP3 will be out sometime in a future november (since the other primes were out in november, i think), then i'm not worried. my birthday is on November 20th, and i'm sure i'll be able to get it, whether it's on Wii, or gamecube.

SAL

2006-05-11 10:33:51 pm

if it was on the game cube and had sensors then there probly would be 4 sensors or something... one on top of the tv , left , right , and bottom...

Prime Hunter

2006-05-11 10:40:56 pm

I still stick by the fact that the Ratchet and Clank series came out about 4 years in a row with what I consider quality games. If it can happen for the R+C series, I wouldn't be surprised if Corruption can work out fine in the end.

I am a little concerned that it's only about 2 years between each game, but the basic setup for each of them is relatively the same. (It's not like they are jumping from a 3rd Person 3D Metroid to a 1st Person 3D Metroid in this short amount of time.) They don't need to spend as much time coding and creating some of the animations if they already have a similar game that came before it, right? It's not like they are changing TOO much of the design. It's mainly the new control scheme, which so far seems to be really good.

I don't know: I am placing my faith in Nintendo that this will work out. They delayed Zelda due to it not being ready, so if Metroid has to be delayed, it should be delayed.

Edit: Once again, we won't know for sure until we get out hands on it how well the game turns out. So far, I have faith that it will be at least better than Echoes.

I still stick by the fact that the Ratchet and Clank series came out about 4 years in a row with what I consider quality games. If it can happen for the R+C series, I wouldn't be surprised if Corruption can work out fine in the end.

I am a little concerned that it's only about 2 years between each game, but the basic setup for each of them is relatively the same. (It's not like they are jumping from a 3rd Person 3D Metroid to a 1st Person 3D Metroid in this short amount of time.) They don't need to spend as much time coding and creating some of the animations if they already have a similar game that came before it, right? It's not like they are changing TOO much of the design. It's mainly the new control scheme, which so far seems to be really good.

I don't know: I am placing my faith in Nintendo that this will work out. They delayed Zelda due to it not being ready, so if Metroid has to be delayed, it should be delayed.

Edit: Once again, we won't know for sure until we get out hands on it how well the game turns out. So far, I have faith that it will be at least better than Echoes.

13M13

2006-05-11 10:47:47 pm

l'appel du vide

Ark, you've misunderstood me. I think two years (and it will be two years by the time it is released) is plenty of time. After all, the Wii is made up of the same meat and bones as the GameCube. I very much doubt that the game engine for Corruption is vastly different than the previous games. Also, keep in mind that Retro had a hand in creating the controller and seem to be quite familiar with it. They've also been taking alot of feedback from some of the gamers at E3 with regard to their control scheme. I think they got things covered.

...

Take note, of course, that the above was written by an Echoes fan. ;)

Mr. Aran

2006-05-12 01:03:31 am

everybody knows it's true

Anyone actually excited?

I'm sure that with the Wiimote, Prime 3 will be a much less borefest than Echoes. Also, the demo was pretty lengthy itself. Seems like Retro had more times to kill. Also, we are experiencing content from more experienced developers. More experience=more goodness.

Banjonator

2006-05-12 06:23:18 am

Quote from 13M13:

...the hell?

Echoes was released two years after Prime, and Corruption will be released two years after Echoes...what's the problem?

Oh...wait...nevermind... Rolling Eyes

that's the point. I don't see what Andrew is complaining about. It is really a**-kicking that Wii, Zelda: Twilight Princess and Metroid Prime 3 will launch at THE SAME DAY!!! \:D/

*iamin7thheaven*

DJGrenola

2006-05-12 07:20:20 am

The point about downloadable patches is a good one, by which I mean a really bad one.

If the original shipped version of the game is 1.0, and then Nintendo start going round arbitrarily ramming versions 1.1, 1.2 and 1.3 onto people's consoles, how on earth are we ever going to know what version we are speedrunning ?

It occurs to me that games that automatically patch themselves (and I suspect Microsoft could end up being the main culprit, actually) are going to be a real problem for competitive speedrunners, and for version control at sda.

Personally I suspect that if I get a Wii I'll be packet sniffing, capturing and logging all network traffic that comes and goes from it ...

Hejira

2006-05-12 07:41:50 am

An expensive solution would be to buy two Wii and only hook one up to the internet.

Yes, I made 'Wii' a plural like 'fish'.

trh

2006-05-12 08:17:40 am

Retro Studios started working on Metroid Prime 2000 and it was released 2 years later, that includes making the engine which has been reused for the next two. And there's a strong chance that there were some time inbetween finishing Metroid Prime and starting producing Echoes, which wouldn't surprise me if they skipped for Corruption, so with the physics engine ready and a lot of experience from the previous games it wouldn't surprise me if this were to be the game they've put down the most time in. Hopefully they're not planning on releasing a half finished version that hasn't undergone beta testing (wait, might take that back for speed running purposes :D) and later on patching it through the online24 system, which would be stupid and not to mention rude towards people without internet access.

nate

2006-05-12 11:23:24 am

everything he said + no multiplayer this time.

Lazylen

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2006-05-12 11:50:51 am

err, MP was originally planned for N64 release, if you didn't know. Metroid Prime had been in development for more than two years, i believe. It only came out on the GC because they ran out of time making it for the N64.

There will be a way to delete the updates to the games from your Wii. Just like you can do with the Xbox. We'll just all run on vsn. 1.0.

-SSBM wasn't a launch title FYI. If it HAD been, the system would have been more of a hit. SSBM was released at around X-mas time with the GCN being released a couple months prior to that.

I believe that MP3 will be better than MP2, seeing as how they've learned from their mistakes. I just don't know if "better" refers to the general public that plays metroid casually, or "better" refers to Retro Kicking us out of SB'ing a game (which is actually "worse").

DJGrenola

2006-05-12 12:10:17 pm

Quote from Lazylen:

There will be a way to delete the updates to the games from your Wii. Just like you can do with the Xbox. We'll just all run on vsn. 1.0.

In this regard, I trust Nintendo about as far as I can spit.

Yoshi348

2006-05-12 12:13:10 pm

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Ready and willing.

On the other hand, it'd be unlikely that there isn't SOME way to nuke all data. Does the wii have a hard drive or not?

trh

2006-05-12 12:17:09 pm

Quote from Lazylen:

err, MP was originally planned for N64 release, if you didn't know. Metroid Prime had been in development for more than two years, i believe. It only came out on the GC because they ran out of time making it for the N64.

"Originally planned for", yes, but the planning never got any further than that, it was postponed until Retro Studios took over in 1999, dropping all of the other titles they were developing in 2001 to focus on Metroid Prime. They had to start from basically nothing. Metroid Prime was released a year after Gamecube, so it's not surprising at all if it was under development for the Nintendo 64 during the first year.

Quote from Lazylen:

There will be a way to delete the updates to the games from your Wii. Just like you can do with the Xbox. We'll just all run on vsn. 1.0.

Source on that? Never heard it...

Quote from Lazylen:

I believe that MP3 will be better than MP2, seeing as how they've learned from their mistakes. I just don't know if "better" refers to the general public that plays metroid casually, or "better" refers to Retro Kicking us out of SB'ing a game (which is actually "worse").

On an average Echoes got really good reviews, chances are they think it was as, if not more, successful. But I do believe with the previous experience they'll work more efficiently this time around.

[quote="Lazylen"]err, MP was originally planned for N64 release, if you didn't know.  Metroid Prime had been in development for more than two years, i believe.  It only came out on the GC because they ran out of time making it for the N64.[/quote]"Originally planned for", yes, but the planning never got any further than that, it was postponed until Retro Studios took over in 1999, dropping all of the other titles they were developing in 2001 to focus on Metroid Prime. They had to start from basically nothing. Metroid Prime was released a year after Gamecube, so it's not surprising at all if it was under development for the Nintendo 64 during the first year.

[quote="Lazylen"]There will be a way to delete the updates to the games from your Wii. Just like you can do with the Xbox. We'll just all run on vsn. 1.0. [/quote]Source on that? Never heard it...

[quote="Lazylen"]I believe that MP3 will be better than MP2, seeing as how they've learned from their mistakes. I just don't know if "better" refers to the general public that plays metroid casually, or "better" refers to Retro Kicking us out of SB'ing a game (which is actually "worse").[/quote]On an average Echoes got really good reviews, chances are they think it was as, if not more, successful. But I do believe with the previous experience they'll work more efficiently this time around.