Metroid Science

2004-04-01 07:21:33 pm

I just think the Wavebuster shoots electricity, powered with the Power Beam and Missiles.

The Sock shall return!!

*disappears*
*poof*

professor_scissors

2004-04-01 07:41:20 pm

Here's a little factoid:

To "shoot" electricity at a target 10 meters away via a spark, you would need an electric charge of 200,000,000 volts. That kind of charge, if put on a 1kg object, would cause it to levitate in the Earth's magnetic field. In theory.

PessimistByNature

2004-04-01 08:20:52 pm

Quite. Though that would be cool.

SABERinBLUE

2004-04-01 08:34:54 pm

Cook of the Sea

Quote from PessimistByNature:

Oh right, duh. Sorry bout that.

Interesting theory saber. However, would the energy pattern be affected by the movement of the morph ball, i.e. if the morph ball was rotaing in the opposite direction to the energy pattern, could that cause a slight leakage of the pattern? (Keep in mind, I've never seen a Star Trek episode in my life.)

Well, yeah, but we can assume that in Fusion and Zero Mission where the ball is always rotating, it's always rotating in the "right" direction, and when it reverses, it turns around on a vertical axis rather than simply reversing rotation directions. In the games in which the ball is stationary (stationary like not turning) while at rest, there's a kind of internal spinning device and a gyroscope of some sort to ensure stability. And some form of that is probably involved in the other games as well.

(Next topic)

In most Sci-Fi, all the "the beam would have to be impossibly powerful to do that" considerations are present and accounted for. Lightsabers, for instance, are not simply lasers as you might think. A laser, in order to be able to cut pretty much anything like butter, would have to extend quite a long way out. The lightsaber, therefore, is somehow bent back on itself at the typical distance of 133 centineters away from the hilt, and the other end is contained within the device, all excess energy from that point on being safely absorbed. The "tip" of the blade is therefore the midway point of the beam.

A similar approach might be taken in explaining the Wavebuster. Alright, let's take your electric charge. It would have to be impossibly powerful to make the "electric" leap to an object that far away. So what I think is is that the electric current is self-completing as it travels. Most likely a raw current of electricity is extended from the Arm Cannon that is complete as it travels, and the object it damages is caught in the stream of the beam rather than the tip. Tractor beam technology would be employed to keep it stable. Picture a circular lightning bolt with Samus's Arm Cannon on one side of it and the object at the other extreme side. Now pull both of them apart, Stretch Armstrong style, until the lightning bolt appears to be single, and you've got it.

[quote="PessimistByNature"]Oh right, duh.  Sorry bout that.

Interesting theory saber.  However, would the energy pattern be affected by the movement of the morph ball, i.e. if the morph ball was rotaing in the opposite direction to the energy pattern, could that cause a slight leakage of the pattern?  (Keep in mind, I've never seen a Star Trek episode in my life.)[/quote]

Well, yeah, but we can assume that in Fusion and Zero Mission where the ball is always rotating, it's always rotating in the "right" direction, and when it reverses, it turns around on a vertical axis rather than simply reversing rotation directions.  In the games in which the ball is stationary (stationary like not turning) while at rest, there's a kind of internal spinning device and a gyroscope of some sort to ensure stability.  And some form of that is probably involved in the other games as well.

(Next topic)

In most Sci-Fi, all the "the beam would have to be impossibly powerful to do that" considerations are present and accounted for.  Lightsabers, for instance, are not simply lasers as you might think.  A laser, in order to be able to cut pretty much anything like butter, would have to extend quite a long way out.  The lightsaber, therefore, is somehow bent back on itself at the typical distance of 133 centineters away from the hilt, and the other end is contained within the device, all excess energy from that point on being safely absorbed.  The "tip" of the blade is therefore the midway point of the beam.

A similar approach might be taken in explaining the Wavebuster.  Alright, let's take your electric charge.  It would have to be impossibly powerful to make the "electric" leap to an object that far away.  So what I think is is that the electric current is self-completing as it travels.  Most likely a raw current of electricity is extended from the Arm Cannon that is complete as it travels, and the object it damages is caught in the stream of the beam rather than the tip.  Tractor beam technology would be employed to keep it stable.  Picture a circular lightning bolt with Samus's Arm Cannon on one side of it and the object at the other extreme side.  Now pull both of them apart, Stretch Armstrong style, until the lightning bolt appears to be single, and you've got it.

PessimistByNature

2004-04-01 09:13:46 pm

Assuming this circuit travels in the air, how is part of the current kept from leaking off into the air that is not part of the circuit? It would be like trying to make a electricity go through water, it has the same resistance everywhere, so the current would just spread in random directions. Also, for your lightsaber theory, let us assume the laser bends back exactly upon itself. Wouldn't the opposing wavelengths cancel each other out?

SABERinBLUE

2004-04-01 09:34:37 pm

Cook of the Sea

The lightsaber theory (which isn't really a theory, I got it from a source) is not synonymous with the Wavebuster part of my post. The "circle" is stretched but not to the point where it's a line. Even with the lightsaber, I think the beam actually bends sideways, but it's so slight you wouldn't be able to notice it unless the beam was about a half-centimeter wide.

As for leaking off into the air, tractor beams would help to stabilize it. And it Samus is locked on, the Buster is probably electrically guided to te target in some form or another.

skynes

2004-04-02 03:47:32 am

Screw Attack - This'll be an interesting one.

My idea is that the Screw Attack is similar to the Charge-Somersault. Except that the charge is permanent even after contact with an enemy.

It is an energy field around Samus, probably powered by her rotation spin as she somersaults (which would explain why it only works when she somersaults)

this energy field is lethal to anything other than Samus + bosses as they are too tough/big/powerful to be hurt by it.

PessimistByNature

2004-04-02 05:25:13 pm

Saber in Blue: Ah. But for that to work, wouldn't something in the suit have to know where the enemy is in order to guide it, which would make it possible to view an invisible enemy?

Skynes: Sounds good to me, but the field would have to extend a sufficient distance to allow the enemy to vaporize, or it might stop Samus's spin.

SABERinBLUE

2004-04-03 12:40:22 pm

Cook of the Sea

Wavebuster: Well, the suit can probably calculate the exact distance and location of an enemy from sight alone using golf-style lasers and stuff like that, or it could just be a sensor system that can't detect invisible enemies. Evey cloaking device I've ever seen in any science fiction cloaks for sight and sensors alike.

Screw Attack: That sounds good, skynes. I think the field has to be electric in nature, judging from the way it looks. In SSBM, there is a kind of vacuum effect to the Screw Attack. Maybe a device pulls the atoms around Samus closer together, so when she spins, a crap-load of Static Electricity ensues. Powerful enough to vaporize.

chinchillax13514

2004-04-03 01:38:21 pm

I'd say for Screw Attack, Samus' spinning charges up enough energy in her suit, and the Screw Attack just let's her release it. And Saber's idea for Wavebuster is pretty good. Now what about holding all them missiles. I think we talked about this before but...

SABERinBLUE

2004-04-03 01:47:57 pm

Cook of the Sea

The Cannon probably just takes the missile's energy or flight fuel and shunts that into powering the attack. For Super Missiles the energy from five missiles is shunted into one.

skynes

2004-04-03 02:48:23 pm

Read what I said about missiles.

The item 'MISSILE' that you pick up (in Prime anyway) is just a container for a kind of unstable energy.

When missiles are fired a power beam field is placed around this energy and it is then launched, the field collapses on contact and the unstable energy detonates causing the explosion.

Super Missiles - Since the power beam is charged a much greater power beam energy output is there so MORE missile energy can be contained in the field, thus a greater more powerful explosion ensues.

Alternative: If the Morph Ball theory of Samus being converted to energy is correct it is possible that the missiles are also. this would allow Samus to store a vast amount of missiles in a tiny space. It could be THIS kind of energy that fuels the flamethrower and wavebuster. The Super Missiles could be a charge shot with a missile inside.

chinchillax13514

2004-04-03 02:50:15 pm

Yeah, Skynes sounds good. But...off the topic a bit...what about Link? Where does he keep all his stuff? Does he have a magic bag of sorts?

skynes

2004-04-03 02:51:06 pm

Probably has some kind of 8-bit theatre style BAG of infinite holding

chinchillax13514

2004-04-03 02:52:05 pm

Most probably. And, once again off topic, Mario...wassup with the fireballs yo?

skynes

2004-04-03 03:03:14 pm

an alien flower that when squeezed spits out a fluid that ignites on contact with air. Thus creating the Fire Flower.

chinchillax13514

2004-04-03 03:06:27 pm

Works for me. Now, back to Metroid. Do you think the Grapple Beam is magnetic? I'd say it is. It appears to stay on a Grapple point magnetically.

skynes

2004-04-03 03:14:03 pm

Magnetic Grapple beam... Yup good enough. Explains why only a few things in Prime can be connected to it

PessimistByNature

2004-04-03 04:37:14 pm

Saber: But what about that invisible drone in the generator room?

Skynes: I prefer to say that the flower simply allows mario to create a moving ball of some flammable gas, and Mario's gloves create the necessary friction to ignite it. For Mario, who has been doing it a while, it doesn't even look like it, but Luigi, who isn't quite as experienced, has to snap. Then again, I probably watch too much FMA.

Chin: Yeah, but there's probably some weird thing like Samus creates an electro-magnet in the air, thus explaining why it is visible.

Heck, while we're still <sorta> off-topic, let us mesh brains and figure out how the hell those skates in JSRF work

skynes

2004-04-04 12:26:11 pm

A few things to think about

Boost Ball, how does it work?

How do Metroids absorb energy?

How did Prime absorb Pirate weaponry?

SABERinBLUE

2004-04-04 03:15:47 pm

Cook of the Sea

Quote from PessimistByNature:

Saber: But what about that invisible drone in the generator room?

Heh. I actually haven't gotten that far. Heck, I haven't even gotten the Wavebuster yet, I've just used it on a friend's game. That's where I am, at the Wavebuster.

Missiles: I think that Missiles are actually Missiles, like made of metal. They are probably micro-stored like Samus in the Morph Ball.

Prime: If you look at the Queen and Prime thread, KennyMan says that if you were to believe my whole thing about Prime, which you can read about there, Prime could have absorbed weapons tchnology while fighting Chozo on SR388. Past that I really don't have an explanation.

Syl

2004-04-04 03:34:07 pm

the pirates themselves state that prime absorbed THEIR weaponry.

anyway, some of this thread is already becoming redundant. *shrugs*

Metroid Prime

2004-04-04 03:44:48 pm

Quote from skynes:

A few things to think about

Boost Ball, how does it work?

How do Metroids absorb energy?

How did Prime absorb Pirate weaponry?

Lets see...Boost Ball...It just works, okay? Maybe there's a wheel packed in with her... Rolling Eyes

Metroids...Um...They stick their teeth into the victim (blood?)

Okay! I'm lost!

SABERinBLUE

2004-04-04 04:18:32 pm

Cook of the Sea

Quote from Syl:

the pirates themselves state that prime absorbed THEIR weaponry.

Assuming that we're talking about the PAL version. The NSTC version already says that Prime absorbed the Pirates' technology, so it's not a question that needs asking.

Metroid Prime

2004-04-04 04:19:38 pm

Good point.