Metroid Science

Chet Rippo

2004-04-29 08:38:33 pm

Well sometimes she is in her suit for a long time. What if she has a full bladder?

Yoshi348

2004-04-29 09:58:16 pm

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Ready and willing.

Quote from Chet Rippo:

Well sometimes she is in her suit for a long time. What if she has a full bladder?

"It even has a built-in toliet that beeps when you use it!"
"Really?"
doo-doo-doo-doo--la la la!

Chet Rippo

2004-05-05 11:00:16 pm

Quote from Yoshi348:

"It even has a built-in toliet that beeps when you use it!"
"Really?"
doo-doo-doo-doo--la la la!

That would nice to have a built-in toilet in your chair. You wouldn't have to get up when your watching TV. You can piss/crap right on the spot!

chinchillax13514

2004-05-06 12:14:02 am

Yes but what about the smell, and the fact it's all gonna be in the chair. That be sick. But hey, that's what Glade and septic systems are for!

Chet Rippo

2004-05-06 11:23:23 am

But that's what air freshoners are for.

GameAddict

2004-09-26 07:17:55 pm

Quote from Skynes:

her entire body just gets converted into energy

I don't mean to throw a wrench into the works, 'cause this is cool stuff you guys have thought of. But, iirc, in order for any object to change into energy, it has to travel faster than the speed of light.

YamiiMatt

2004-10-07 03:37:37 am

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Also, we haven't considered the Spazer/Wide Beam...

The spazer/wide beam upgrade from the Chozo inserts small energy 'slits' (? can't think of the word) into the arm cannon, thus causing the energy to 'split' and spread into segments. It doesn't effect missles, because when she fires them, the cannon 'opens', (you know what I mean) and removes the 'slits'.

And whoever mentioned seeing through walls- we don't know anything about it, because it isn't first person. We don't know what kind of visor she's wearing, or whatever. (Haven't played much of MP, just the early parts.)

GameAddict

2004-10-08 06:49:22 pm

Here's a challenge for the scientific ones to figure out; Dark beam, Light beam, Dark visor, Echoes visor, Dark suit and just to be different; Samus's Ship, MP2:E turrets (The ones space pirates hop into on the demo), and how the "Special" pirates are immune to all but one beam weapon.

Yoshi348

2004-10-08 07:11:39 pm

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Ready and willing.

If anybody picks those up, please err on the side of caution when figuring out whether or not to use spoiler tags...

Izo

2004-10-09 06:29:12 am

soaking through

Quote from GameAddict:

Here's a challenge for the scientific ones to figure out; Dark beam, Light beam, Dark visor, Echoes visor, Dark suit and just to be different; Samus's Ship, MP2:E turrets (The ones space pirates hop into on the demo), and how the "Special" pirates are immune to all but one beam weapon.

Seeing as we know next to nothing about all that stuff, you've just asked the impossible.

Oh, and you don't need to make something travel at the speed of light to convert it to energy. That's impossible.

Prime Hunter

2004-10-09 09:09:53 am

Well, the beams seem easy enough to me out of all of those (For anyone who has played the demo anyway):

These have ammo right? Perhaps the ammo is concentrated atmosphere from both worlds (The light being sunlight, and the dark being the Dark Aether atmopshere or something) The beings from the Dark world really don't have any sunlight from the looks of it (Just the dark atmosphere) so there bodies aren't capable of protecting themselves from it. Kinda like viruses and the fact that Humans can build up immunity to them after coming in contact with them a few times. (Or by having a vaccination) The same can be said for the beings from the light world, only reversed.

As for the different type of fire from each beam, it all depends on how concentrated the light and dark is when Samus fires it. I mean, the shots are just like normal beam shots at first right? When you charge the light and dark beam, you get different effects attatched to them: For example, the dark beam becomes this huge glob of darkness that freezes someone when it hits. Perhaps when you condense the dark atmosphere enough, it loses temperatue? The light beam, however, is more like a shotgun type of shot (Spreading itself out over a larger area) So, I really don't know what to say there.

Oh, and on a side note: About Samus's Ship

Maybe she got a replacement from the Federation after the Zebes and Tallon IV Missions since she did a REALLY good job at stopping the end-of-life-as-we-know-it sort of things (Phazon/Metroids/Pirates) Doesn't she have the same ship design in Echoes as she does in the rest of the series now? (Besides Fusion since that one gets destroyed)

Eh, this is all just from my experiences with the Demo of Echoes, as well as seeing many videos of the beams. So, don't quote me on any of this, it could be WAY off of the "Truth" Wink

Well, the beams seem easy enough to me out of all of those (For anyone who has played the demo anyway):

[spoiler]These have ammo right? Perhaps the ammo is concentrated atmosphere from both worlds (The light being sunlight, and the dark being the Dark Aether atmopshere or something) The beings from the Dark world really don't have any sunlight from the looks of it (Just the dark atmosphere) so there bodies aren't capable of protecting themselves from it. Kinda like viruses and the fact that Humans can build up immunity to them after coming in contact with them a few times. (Or by having a vaccination) The same can be said for the beings from the light world, only reversed.

As for the different type of fire from each beam,  it all depends on how concentrated the light and dark is when Samus fires it. I mean, the shots are just like normal beam shots at first right? When you charge the light and dark beam, you get different effects attatched to them: For example, the dark beam becomes this huge glob of darkness that freezes someone when it hits. Perhaps when you condense the dark atmosphere enough, it loses temperatue? The light beam, however, is more like a shotgun type of shot (Spreading itself out over a larger area) So, I really don't know what to say there.

Oh, and on a side note: About Samus's Ship

Maybe she got a replacement from the Federation after the Zebes and Tallon IV Missions since she did a REALLY good job at stopping the end-of-life-as-we-know-it sort of things (Phazon/Metroids/Pirates) Doesn't she have the same ship design in Echoes as she does in the rest of the series now? (Besides Fusion since that one gets destroyed)[/spoiler]

Eh, this is all just from my experiences with the Demo of Echoes, as well as seeing many videos of the beams. So, don't quote me on any of this, it could be WAY off of the "Truth"  :wink:

GreenMamba

2004-10-09 09:24:43 am

What luck, there's french fry stuck in my beard.

I don't think that the Echoes Gunship is different from the ship in MP. The gunship in MP was just weirdly redesigned so it was hard to tell.

Skreemaster

2004-10-14 04:49:00 pm

I'll be back. Maybe...

To destroy the energy conversion theory once and for all:

Entropy.
If Samus' body is converted to energy, how would it be reconstructed exactly as before: the Second Law of Thermodynamics (the second most constrictive law in physics) forces a decrease in organisation.
Therefore the fine structure would be lost, presumably leading to death.

Also, Samus is 2.5 Morph Balls tall, in ZM terms anyway.
Measurements were taken using sprites from the Shyguy Kingdom.
Calculations follow:

Let morph ball diameter =1
:. Height of Samus=2.5
The suit is 1.3 morph balls wide and 0.7 morph balls deep.
:.volume of morph ball = 4/3 x pi x 0.5 = 4.18/8 = 0.52359 Metroid world block volume units
volume of suit = (allowing for spaces) 2.5 x 1.5 x 0.8 x ~0.8 = 2.4
:. there is a problem here.
Video game physics don't have to make sense... Use the Shrink Ray!

(sorry for incorrect maths earlier, used the diameter instead of radius)

I will pose the question of how the platforms float in mid-air, which you will never be able to solve because of this.

To destroy the energy conversion theory once and for all:

Entropy.
If Samus' body is converted to energy, how would it be reconstructed exactly as before: the Second Law of Thermodynamics (the second most constrictive law in physics) forces a decrease in organisation.
Therefore the fine structure would be lost, presumably leading to death.

Also, Samus is 2.5 Morph Balls tall, in ZM terms anyway.
Measurements were taken using sprites from the Shyguy Kingdom.
Calculations follow:

Let morph ball diameter =1
:. Height of Samus=2.5
The suit is 1.3 morph balls wide and 0.7 morph balls deep.
:.volume of morph ball = 4/3 x pi x 0.5 = 4.18/8 = 0.52359 Metroid world block volume units
volume of suit = (allowing for spaces) 2.5 x 1.5 x 0.8 x ~0.8 = 2.4
:. there is a problem here.
Video game physics don't have to make sense... Use the Shrink Ray!

(sorry for incorrect maths earlier, used the diameter instead of radius)

I will pose the question of how the platforms float in mid-air, which you will never be able to solve because of [url=http://www.metroid2002.com/maru_mari/030.html]this[/url].

StarmanHaxor

2004-11-06 04:38:12 pm

/me casts revive on this topic because it is interesting!

Ok, I think that, well, the power suit has to have some kind of reconstuction device. Have you not seen the transporters on Star Trek: The Next Generation? O_o;;; But, that as well, is not real, but, it has to have some kind of similar, if not faster, device. Plus, in 2d.... Couldn't they be attached to the wall? That seems so. In MP, the platforms are attached to the wall or have rocket boosters on them. The power suit has to have some kind of supercomputer in it to reconstruct Samus' atom's. PWNED! Anyway, i pose the following: How does the Plasma beam work? This'll be interesting.... oh, I mean the one that penetrates enemies, not the heat one. They should sort that out before the next metroid after echoes...

Izo

2004-11-06 04:59:13 pm

soaking through

It's probably just made up of bosons or something.

MasterStyl

2004-11-09 02:06:01 pm

Quote from Chet Rippo:

Well sometimes she is in her suit for a long time. What if she has a full bladder?

thats the source of her missle powers. ever wondered why they exploded?

RT-55J

2004-11-09 07:53:58 pm

Armor Guardian

Quote from MasterStyl:

Quote from Chet Rippo:

Well sometimes she is in her suit for a long time. What if she has a full bladder?

thats the source of her missle powers. ever wondered why they exploded?

I thought that was the source of her beam powers. I guess I'm wrong.

Camus Audron

2004-11-11 08:30:27 pm

Quote from RT-55J:

Quote from MasterStyl:

Quote from Chet Rippo:

Well sometimes she is in her suit for a long time. What if she has a full bladder?

thats the source of her missle powers. ever wondered why they exploded?

I thought that was the source of her beam powers. I guess I'm wrong.

tsk, you should all know that the truth is she poops out morphball bombs.

arkarian

2004-11-11 09:19:27 pm

red chamber dream

Okay, to keep this topic from getting stupid...

I think Samus's suit converts the matter of her waste into energy for her beams. Missles are found, not generated, so they are not made by any means, just picked up and used. She also takes in heat from the atmosphere and somehow uses it to power her various beams. The morph ball: Her body is converted to energy and is reconstructed exactly by the intelligence of a computer built into her suit. How is this possible? Chozo have way more advanced technology than humans, so we couldn't possibly understand. It's like a caveman trying to figure out how a CD player works. He would just think it's magic.

Izo

2004-11-13 08:10:34 am

soaking through

Quote from Arthur C Clarke's Third Law:

Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.

So, yeah.

ridley4

2004-11-17 04:29:25 pm

I have an idea on how the plasma/wave beam works

NOTE:Im talking about the ones in the 2-D games

The atoms of the plasma/wave beam move so so fast it can go though certain enemies and/or things but why the wave cant go through enemies is that its frequency is not that of most enemies but when you add the plasma to the wave the plamsa's frequency takes over and how the plasma damages is that the atoms move the atoms out of place causing major damage internally[if that is true the space pirates are tough as old boots on the outside]and how the atoms dont go flying apart is that their gravity is strong enough to hold then all together

Izo

2004-11-17 04:57:22 pm

soaking through

That makes absolutely no sense, on either a classical level or a quantum level. Plus, the beams are probably made up of concentrated energy, as opposed to mass.

Ekarderif

2004-11-17 05:51:45 pm

The description in Zero Mission state that Wave/Plasma are energy. They do not adhere to the "cannot occupy the same space" law as they do not occupy space ;).

Izo

2004-11-20 05:06:13 pm

soaking through

It's called Heisenberg's Exclusion Principle.

EDIT: Crap, no it's not. Always get those two mixed up.

arkarian

2004-11-22 06:30:21 pm

red chamber dream

I was told to post this hereas well, so I guess if anyone didn't know...

Quote from Arkarian:

And I always wondered why missiles can't open the blue doors. I guess it's because they're not made of energy like the beams, and the doors are energy activated, not triggered by impact