Yeah, but if you go backwards from Great Tree Hall you don't need to activate any of the doors.
but you can't get there if you don't have boost ball, or gravity because the bubbles stop you from getting in
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SW in Waterfall Cavern. Wallcrawl past the ice door in Frigate Crash Site (I did this recently - pretty hard, but possible)
How did you manage to load the room after the ice door ? I'm trying it but the door is so far away from the eather, and I can't fall down right on it because of the crashed frigate.
I have a very interesting seed now : I have to go to the Life Groove to pick up the Wave beam and the Ice Beam is waiting in the Main Quarry. I assume it's possible to do a really long wallcrawl from Waterfall cavern to Life Groove but I'm not sure about that. Did someone already try it ?
I'm not actually sure you can wallcrawl the entire Crashed Frigate and you won't be able to activate the doors without Wave Beam, so that may not be possible anyway.
To be honest it's really tough to get onto that door and load the next room, and I only did it with a lot of help from collision viewing. I don't think I could really describe the steps necessary... might need to make a video at some point I guess
To be honest it's really tough to get onto that door and load the next room, and I only did it with a lot of help from collision viewing. I don't think I could really describe the steps necessary... might need to make a video at some point I guess
Thanks Paraxade, a video would be really appreciated ! I just managed to land on the ice door but yeah, can't find how to load the next room...
Yes the wave doors in the frigate can be a problem... if you're not sure I'm going to generate another seed. I'll might try this crazy wallcrawl one day, but on dolphin with saves states
Yes the wave doors in the frigate can be a problem... if you're not sure I'm going to generate another seed. I'll might try this crazy wallcrawl one day, but on dolphin with saves states
Question. Remember back in the day people would collect a 5th energy tank from training chamber in order to get an easier varialess magmoor run. Is there any video of this wallcrawl? Obviously it should not go through Magma Pool as that is a heated room. I'm talking about going through the morph ball tunnel connected to main plaza.
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i've done that wallcrawl. let me look up a vid.
http://www.twitch.tv/uchihasda/c/4709481
i use floaty jump though and this was with SJ but it is doable without SJ.
http://www.twitch.tv/uchihasda/c/4709481
i use floaty jump though and this was with SJ but it is doable without SJ.
You can go through Magma Pool if you want, it's not too terribly difficult if you have a few energy tanks.
The main trouble I have with going through Piston Tunnel is you need to make sure you hit the load trigger for Training Chamber. It's easy to miss, and on occasion if you do miss it the game loads Training Chamber anyway, without dumping Main Plaza. Then if you try to transition to Training Chamber, the game crashes. That's avoided by making sure you hit the load trigger. So for reference - loading trigger location (represented by the blue box)
The main trouble I have with going through Piston Tunnel is you need to make sure you hit the load trigger for Training Chamber. It's easy to miss, and on occasion if you do miss it the game loads Training Chamber anyway, without dumping Main Plaza. Then if you try to transition to Training Chamber, the game crashes. That's avoided by making sure you hit the load trigger. So for reference - loading trigger location (represented by the blue box)
No Space Jump again for me, what are the rooms where we can go OoB without SJ in Chozo Ruins ? I know one in Gathering Hall (but no way I can do this crazy trick) and one in Watery Hall (thanks Baby Sheegoth for the video, but the bomb jump is hard, I haven't succeeded it yet). Is there another room where it is possible ?
By the way, I have the same question in Tallon, I saw T3 going OoB in Tallon Canyon but again, it's too hard for me...
By the way, I have the same question in Tallon, I saw T3 going OoB in Tallon Canyon but again, it's too hard for me...
I use watery hall, yes the bomb jump is random and annoying but you will get it eventually. Just make sure you push back on the control stick when the 2nd bomb is about to explode to avoid hitting the ledge above you. My advise is to do this after flaahgra (make sure your in the acid water at the moment you hit the last bomb slot). Then you can wallcrawl with floaty jump which will help you out of bounds as well as inbounds.
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@A-M:
There's a list, hidden, in a post og mine on the first page of my "various 21% and NSJ topic". About no space jump SWs (=NSJ) we have to keep in mind that there are probably still several or even many more though it might not be humanly possiblr to enter some of them, I guess. But we eill look into NSJ SW or even 21% SWs respectively, also for the better usage of the randomizer; if you DON'T set SJB in Alcove where you can just get it as your first item, the whole thing gets even more thrilling. As long as you can still wallcrawl or make your way around obstacles in another way. But fpr instance the wallcrawl through the whole Crashed Frigate would have been a nightmare, especially without SJB!
There's a list, hidden, in a post og mine on the first page of my "various 21% and NSJ topic". About no space jump SWs (=NSJ) we have to keep in mind that there are probably still several or even many more though it might not be humanly possiblr to enter some of them, I guess. But we eill look into NSJ SW or even 21% SWs respectively, also for the better usage of the randomizer; if you DON'T set SJB in Alcove where you can just get it as your first item, the whole thing gets even more thrilling. As long as you can still wallcrawl or make your way around obstacles in another way. But fpr instance the wallcrawl through the whole Crashed Frigate would have been a nightmare, especially without SJB!
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Also here you are Stefan
Just several days ago I hadn't even known this was possible and on top of that it's much easier than the Gathering Hall SW. Why did I torture myself and have gotten out of bounds via Gathering Hall 3 timed for my 21% max% (regarding upgrades only) where I wallcrawled to Crossway, Main Plaza (for the uppermost Missile Expansion) and to Training Chamber for the Energy Tank. It took me hours to get into that SW 3 times, always entered legitimately, on-console. :-(
Are you actually the one who discovered this? I mean it's not like a super hard thing to find out but why hadn't I known about that beforehand. Btw I'm at 74% on my 21% conditions max% file.
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Also here you are Stefan
Just several days ago I hadn't even known this was possible and on top of that it's much easier than the Gathering Hall SW. Why did I torture myself and have gotten out of bounds via Gathering Hall 3 timed for my 21% max% (regarding upgrades only) where I wallcrawled to Crossway, Main Plaza (for the uppermost Missile Expansion) and to Training Chamber for the Energy Tank. It took me hours to get into that SW 3 times, always entered legitimately, on-console. :-(
Are you actually the one who discovered this? I mean it's not like a super hard thing to find out but why hadn't I known about that beforehand. Btw I'm at 74% on my 21% conditions max% file.
I don't know if I discovered it, but I've definitely never seen anyone else even mention that method before so I wouldn't be surprised if I did.
Thanks for your advices. I tried the Watery Hall OoB again yesterday during 2 hours and nope, I can't do it. I'm going to train it on Dolphin first.
But by the way, how do yo climb the root that fast ? The only consistent method I found is to keep the joystick forward during ~30s and after that I shake it from forward to upper right and I finally land on the edge, but it takes ~1 minute...
But by the way, how do yo climb the root that fast ? The only consistent method I found is to keep the joystick forward during ~30s and after that I shake it from forward to upper right and I finally land on the edge, but it takes ~1 minute...
the higher you "get stuck" the shorter the time to the ledge is (as you must have noticed). It's best to ghetto jump (once you land on the branch, ghetto jump from right to left) and at the max height of your jump to push forward to stick into the corner. With this strat it still takes me 15 to 45 seconds depending on the height of my jump.
After obtaining floaty jump I doorwarp back into dynamo access. Then you can start to collect many items from inbounds (keep in mind infinite bomb jumping). If needed you can easily get out of bounds in gathering hall the usual way, only then use a bomb jump from the ledge to get out of bounds.
Also keep in mind to do one more round of tallon overworld before fighting flaahgra, you might find important items such as ice beam there.
After obtaining floaty jump I doorwarp back into dynamo access. Then you can start to collect many items from inbounds (keep in mind infinite bomb jumping). If needed you can easily get out of bounds in gathering hall the usual way, only then use a bomb jump from the ledge to get out of bounds.
Also keep in mind to do one more round of tallon overworld before fighting flaahgra, you might find important items such as ice beam there.
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It's best to ghetto jump (once you land on the branch, ghetto jump from right to left)
Shame on me, I completely forgot to try a ghetto jump ! Thanks
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Also keep in mind to do one more round of tallon overworld before fighting flaahgra, you might find important items such as ice beam there.
Yes I know, in fact it's the second time that I try this seed because I got stuck in Phazon Mines like a noob (I didn't realize it was impossible to get out of it without PB or SJ or Gravity/Boost). Since I don't have SJ, my only way to clear it is to get a PB expansion in the main plaza (grapple ledge) or another in Triclops Pit (but this one is impossible without doing a crazy wrong room unmorph to fall right on it I'm afraid...)
Anyway I bought a controller for my PC, I know what to train tonight
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The item in Triclops Pit is possible to get without SJB and it's actually far more simple than you all might think.
I made a no space jump (=NSJ) video where you get to see how I get every item except for two Missile Expansions (in RootCabe and Arbor Chamber). Just search in my Youtube channel and in the descrptionit says where you have to skip into the video
I made a no space jump (=NSJ) video where you get to see how I get every item except for two Missile Expansions (in RootCabe and Arbor Chamber). Just search in my Youtube channel and in the descrptionit says where you have to skip into the video