pokemon black/white 3v3 round-robin tournament

2011-03-23 05:52:55 pm

red chamber dream

i was going to see if there was enough interest before posting the rules i had in mind. looks like there will be, so here's what i was thinking:

- 1v1, level 100
- gen 5 pokes only
- no legendaries/base stat total 600+
- sleep/evasion/ohko/species clauses

MilesSMB

2011-03-23 07:03:44 pm

Guess I'm somewhat interested in participating. Don't 100% count me in yet, though. >_>

Prime Hunter

2011-03-23 11:17:15 pm

Quote from arkarian:

i was going to see if there was enough interest before posting the rules i had in mind. looks like there will be, so here's what i was thinking:

- 1v1, level 100
- gen 5 pokes only
- no legendaries/base stat total 600+
- sleep/evasion/ohko/species clauses

Sounds pretty good to me. (And from what I understand is more or less the normal restrictions these days on most competitive battles.) Think the only non-legend that gets hit with the 600+ part is Hydreigon who sits perfectly at 600, as any other gen 5 ones above that mark are legendaries if I just saw right on Serebii.

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2011-03-24 01:02:43 am

1-Up

Hopefully this video will set you inconsiderate pokemon trainers straight.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=9YfWR438wkg

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I've just been informed that this is pretty much exactly Team Plasma's stance in B/W. Makes it less funny than I thought it was :/

MilesSMB

2011-03-24 06:23:21 am

You know what, go ahead and put me in the entrants list. <_< No reason for me not to.

We should probably do some test Wi-Fi matches to see how they work beforehand, though...

arkarian

2011-03-24 06:49:48 am

red chamber dream

Quote from Prime Hunter:

Think the only non-legend that gets hit with the 600+ part is Hydreigon who sits perfectly at 600, as any other gen 5 ones above that mark are legendaries if I just saw right on Serebii.

oops, guess i meant over 600. afaict hydreigon is like the dragonite/tyranitar of gen 5, so he's fine. at least i'm assuming he's not totally broken like garchomp was. :P

Prime Hunter

2011-03-24 08:36:57 am

If we need to test it, like I've said, I've got two teams ready to go. Heck, I could always test it against myself if needed since they're both roughly in the same area in the post-game material. (Where I have to figure out how to level them/grind them up for the Elite Four Round 2 and some other high-end battles against the AI.)

And Hydreigon should be ok. I think the only reason he gave me so much trouble during the story was because I was a few levels below him so he could outspeed everything I had. If we're going to be at the same levels all around like we're supposed to I don't think he'll be a problem. At least I hope not. (Strategy, people!)

Yeah, looking at his base stats quickly on Serebii leads me to that conclusion. Pretty balanced for the most part, but like those others he leans towards the offensive stats a bit. Nothing out of the ordinary for the high-end guys such as those you mentioned though.

Prime Hunter

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2011-03-24 06:02:25 pm

At the moment I'm playing around with the Union Room in both of my games trying to figure out how we'd be able to battle. There are two options under the Battle Rules tab, one of which is "No Restrictions", the other "Flat Battle". Flat Battle puts everybody at lvl 50, but we'd only be using 3 pokemon in the battle and it restricts some other things but I think all of those are things we're planning to do anyway. No Restrictions is basically everyone goes in with whatever they've got, level included. (There's also a mode called Wonder Launcher we can turn on or off, which is basically a system that allows us to purchase and use items in battles. 1 Point every turn or something like that I believe.)

I'm trying to remember though. Where do we go in order to do battles like we'd need? Is the Union Room the wrong place or is it just because I have the FCs for both of my games and it's a friend only thing? I'm thinking I'm in the wrong place since it didn't ask me to connect to Nintendo Wi-Fi Connection like the middle counter does in the Pokemon Centers.

At the moment I'm playing around with the Union Room in both of my games trying to figure out how we'd be able to battle. There are two options under the Battle Rules tab, one of which is "No Restrictions", the other "Flat Battle". Flat Battle puts everybody at lvl 50, but we'd only be using 3 pokemon in the battle and it restricts some other things but I think all of those are things we're planning to do anyway. No Restrictions is basically everyone goes in with whatever they've got, level included. (There's also a mode called Wonder Launcher we can turn on or off, which is basically a system that allows us to purchase and use items in battles. 1 Point every turn or something like that I believe.)

I'm trying to remember though. Where do we go in order to do battles like we'd need? Is the Union Room the wrong place or is it just because I have the FCs for both of my games and it's a friend only thing? I'm thinking I'm in the wrong place since it didn't ask me to connect to Nintendo Wi-Fi Connection like the middle counter does in the Pokemon Centers.

arkarian

2011-03-24 06:03:01 pm

red chamber dream

well since everyone's allowed to use the same pokemon, it's fair no matter what. i'm sure hydreigon won't be nearly as good as most of the dragons in other gens anyway ... that dark type adds several significant weaknesses.

Prime Hunter

2011-03-24 06:04:38 pm

Doh, I was in the wrong place. Using the middle counter to check if we have the same settings there.

arkarian

2011-03-24 06:05:34 pm

red chamber dream

yeah afaik it's the exact same as last gen. just go the pokemon center and everything important is there.

Prime Hunter

2011-03-24 06:06:51 pm

Yep: The middle counter is Wi-Fi Club and lets you battle against friends. Same settings for the rules can be modified here, so I'm guessing we'll be using the "Flat Rules" option since that's the one that sets everyone's level to 50.

arkarian

2011-03-24 06:08:06 pm

red chamber dream

are you sure that sets them to 50 even if they're below 50? think i've heard that they need to be over 50 in the first place for that to work.

Prime Hunter

2011-03-24 06:09:18 pm

Not sure. All of my guys are near level 60 so I can't test it with my two teams. Either way we have to choose three from our team to go into battle using that method.

arkarian

2011-03-24 06:09:37 pm

red chamber dream

that's not the right one then. needs to be 6 on 6.

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2011-03-24 06:10:26 pm

The only 6 VS 6 I've seen is unrestricted levels, which means a lvl 20 will be a lvl 20 and a lvl 90 will be a lvl 90. I think anyway, I should probably test that in a minute. Might have missed a setting somewhere.

Prime Hunter

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2011-03-24 06:16:34 pm

Nope, I was right. The only other option I'm seeing here, and the one that allows 6V6, has everyone's levels as they are in-game. No balancing.

I can check for other ways to battle. If we were all in the same place it would be easier, since I know you can have balanced levels 6V6 since I was able to do that with my two teams about an hour ago using infrared communication.

Edit: Yeah, I'm not seeing any other way for us to battle using Wi-Fi. I think the only way we could have 6V6 is to have either a triple or rotational battle, since I just checked and it says 6 pokemon, set to lvl 50 (IF ABOVE as you wondered, it would seem based on looking at some other battle options) when using the Flat Rules battle system. It also allows 4v4 using Double Battles under these same conditions.

Oh, nevermind. Rotational is 4V4. Triple Battles are the ONLY way I've seen for us to have 6V6 battles through Wi-Fi and have everyone be balanced down to lvl 50.

arkarian

2011-03-24 06:37:51 pm

red chamber dream

looks like i won't be participating after all then, unless everyone wants to set a random cap (80 or something). so annoying.

anyway if yall want to do a triple battle tournament or something, "gopher" it.

Prime Hunter

2011-03-24 06:51:51 pm

Personally, at this point I think I'd be up for using any of the battle types even if it reduces the number of pokemon available to me. I just want to be able to battle someone.

Having a level cap could work if we decide to go that route though, it might just take longer for everyone to get there. My highest between the two games is 65 I think, so by playing through the post-game material and thanks to the inclusion of the Lucky Egg as part of the story it may not take as long as you'd think with all of the high end trainers running around in B&W. At one point I was leveling with every two pokemon taken down during some of the post game material without the LE so if you focus on one pokemon for a bit they can level quite quick. Granted, I think I've exhausted most of my opponents by now, but there's always the Elite Four and some daily battles in there to work with.

Depends on what everyone else wants to do though.

arkarian

2011-03-24 07:03:53 pm

red chamber dream

the problem with a level cap is that it'll be lame for the people who reach it early (all my pokes are nearing 70) -- they won't be able to do anything with their pokes until the tournament.

i guess i'd be down for 3v3 singles instead, if other people want to do that. could even do multiple rounds, using a different set of 3 each time.

MilesSMB

2011-03-24 07:09:06 pm

I already have a pokemon that I wanted to use at 100. :\

Let's just do 3 vs 3, it's better than nothing.

Prime Hunter

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2011-03-24 07:09:45 pm

That was one thought I had too regarding 3V3. (Could more or less give us a 2 out of 3 matchup against an individual opponent if we wanted.) And good point with the level cap thing, although there is all of the Battle Subway stuff if you wanted to do that and try to win some of the rewards there. Seeing as we can't bring items forward from 4th gen a lot of the combat items typically used have to be won through there like Life Orb and the Choice items, for instance.

And you already have a gen 5 at lvl 100? Wow.

Still, 3V3 is probably easier on everyone in the end.

arkarian

2011-03-24 07:15:19 pm

red chamber dream

ok yeah heh, 3v3 it is then.

Toozin

2011-03-24 08:27:52 pm

Not impossible

just highly unlikely

Is it just me, or does Nintendo seem to actively discourage online play? This shit sounds redonkulous.

Prime Hunter

2011-03-24 08:58:45 pm

Pretty sure there's some online battle mode that also shows you what your opponent's team is before the battle, to go along with everything else. I remember hearing about it back before the game was released but I never came across it during my tests. Could be the one where you face off against random people online that I haven't tried yet, which would make the most sense if it's still in the game somewhere since it's the most unpredictable of them all in my mind.