OOOHHHH NOOEESS!!11!! Not a quarked run already!! [locked]

2005-04-15 08:04:54 am

A simple question, slightly off-topic: I've downloaded the .vbm-file on the site, and VBA doesn't find it. I have the latest version of VBA and it's in the same directory as the game. On the FAQ it stands that you'll need the latest version of VBA to play it, and i have! What went wrong?

RT-55J

2005-04-15 09:57:02 am

Armor Guardian

What topic in this forum has VBA? Does anyone know the answer?

Dragonfangs

2005-04-15 11:55:47 am

Quote from ShadowJedi:

Quote from Dragonfangs:

Personally, I'd rather watch a quarked run just for the wow-factor of what they do, not the skill of the player, as quarked runs are often cooler and just plain more entertaining to watch than normal ones IMO.

Move to Bisqwit. Evil or Very Mad

I have started downloading movies from Bisqwit, but try to get this: I only watch the videos for entertainment, I'd never acknowledge them for actually being able to do what they do, if they didn't use Save States. They just do it to entertain people. And I couldn't care less about what times they get, even if they beat the real WR by an half an hour or something, it'll still be cheated and not important. However, if they do something cool in a run, I'll just think "wow, that was cool", not "wow, s/he's good".

I do despise people that think they're good when they use state saves, an example being my friend that "beat" Ridley in SM using save states, and then started bragging, yes actually bragging about beating him. He barely even managed to do it too, he spent like 30 minutes reloading and saving and stuff, at the same time trying to ask me about tactics. He played the game without saving at a normal save room ever, just state saves, then get to Ridley's room with 220 health, and he saves, totally ingnoring my warnings and said something like "he was easy in the beginning", and "he didn't look so hard when you did it". Then he starts complaining about how he's not a fair boss because he's hard to dodge.

Quote from ShadowJedi:

Quote from Dragonfangs:

Of course, there's the occasional exception, Sess's run among others.

You do know his Technical Demonstration was just an emulated run with save states and stuff... Right?

I am well aware that his run was emulated, but he didn't use save-states other than for practice.
Emulated=/=quarked

[quote="ShadowJedi"][quote="Dragonfangs"]Personally, I'd rather watch a quarked run just for the wow-factor of what they do, not the skill of the player, as quarked runs are often cooler and just plain more entertaining to watch than normal ones IMO.[/quote]Move to Bisqwit.  :evil: [/quote]

I have started downloading movies from Bisqwit, but try to get this: I only watch the videos for entertainment, I'd never acknowledge them for actually being able to do what they do, if they didn't use Save States. They just do it to entertain people. And I couldn't care less about what times they get, even if they beat the real WR by an half an hour or something, it'll still be cheated and not important. However, if they do something cool in a run, I'll just think "wow, that was cool", not "wow, s/he's good".

I do despise people that think they're good when they use state saves, an example being my friend that "beat" Ridley in SM using save states, and then started bragging, yes actually bragging about beating him. He barely even managed to do it too, he spent like 30 minutes reloading and saving and stuff, at the same time trying to ask me about tactics. He played the game without saving at a normal save room ever, just state saves, then get to Ridley's room with 220 health, and he saves, totally ingnoring my warnings and said something like "he was easy in the beginning", and "he didn't look so hard when you did it". Then he starts complaining about how he's not a fair boss because he's hard to dodge.

[quote="ShadowJedi"][quote="Dragonfangs"]Of course, there's the occasional exception, Sess's run among others.[/quote] You do know his Technical Demonstration was just an emulated run with save states and stuff... Right?[/quote]

I am well aware that his run was emulated, but he didn't use save-states other than for practice. 
Emulated=/=quarked

Snytbaggen

2005-04-15 03:23:55 pm

Quote from Dragonfangs:

I do despise people that think they're good when they use state saves, an example being my friend that "beat" Ridley in SM using save states, and then started bragging, yes actually bragging about beating him. He barely even managed to do it too, he spent like 30 minutes reloading and saving and stuff, at the same time trying to ask me about tactics. He played the game without saving at a normal save room ever, just state saves, then get to Ridley's room with 220 health, and he saves, totally ingnoring my warnings and said something like "he was easy in the beginning", and "he didn't look so hard when you did it". Then he starts complaining about how he's not a fair boss because he's hard to dodge.

I don't like that kind of people. Savestates are good sometimes, like when it's a hard boss, you've save as close as you can, but there's still a way to go. I took savestates just before hard bosses in MF and MZM, so if i failed, i didn't have to go through all those rooms again. Like in Fusion, before you get the Space Jump. It's a bit to go, and it can take some time before you finally comes to the boss. That's where i take a savestate; just before the boss.

[quote="Dragonfangs"]I do despise people that think they're good when they use state saves, an example being my friend that "beat" Ridley in SM using save states, and then started bragging, yes actually bragging about beating him. He barely even managed to do it too, he spent like 30 minutes reloading and saving and stuff, at the same time trying to ask me about tactics. He played the game without saving at a normal save room ever, just state saves, then get to Ridley's room with 220 health, and he saves, totally ingnoring my warnings and said something like "he was easy in the beginning", and "he didn't look so hard when you did it". Then he starts complaining about how he's not a fair boss because he's hard to dodge.[/quote]I don't like that kind of people. Savestates are good sometimes, like when it's a hard boss, you've save as close as you can, but there's still a way to go. I took savestates just before hard bosses in MF and MZM, so if i failed, i didn't have to go through all those rooms again. Like in Fusion, before you get the Space Jump. It's a bit to go, and it can take some time before you finally comes to the boss. That's where i take a savestate; just before the boss.

tomatobob

2005-04-15 04:03:14 pm

One shall stand, one shall ball.

Yeah, but that's different than Save stating during the boss fight to avoid failure, and then bragging about it.

darkarchonisme

2005-04-15 07:47:49 pm

whatever the hell anyone's problem with these, i am ignoring. I just want to as a question. is this true? "After you get space jump you lose the ability to wall jump. This isn't good because wall jumping is actually faster than space jumping." from the author's comments. I didn't think it was, but it's been a couple of months, and none of my saves are at that point anyways.
the question i am asking is not about the speed, but the ability to walljump.

Ekarderif

arkarian

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GreenMamba

2005-04-15 08:38:15 pm

What luck, there's french fry stuck in my beard.

It's so mean it's funny.

Starblade

2005-04-15 09:12:26 pm

I love the position Spidey's hands are in.

arkarian

2005-04-15 09:25:10 pm

red chamber dream

Okay, let's get back on-topic.

Ryan Ferneau

2005-04-15 09:58:55 pm

Try the topic entitled "Download VBA here"!

Quote from Dragonfangs:

However, if they do something cool in a run, I'll just think "wow, that was cool", not "wow, s/he's good".

I might think "Wow, he/she's good for thinking of doing something cool."
But yeah, I don't care much about skill either. I look at video game runs from a more academic point of view.

JaggerG

2005-04-15 10:32:36 pm

Shifty Leader

That M2k2 guy

Quote from darkarchonisme:

is this true? "After you get space jump you lose the ability to wall jump. This isn't good because wall jumping is actually faster than space jumping." from the author's comments. I didn't think it was, but it's been a couple of months, and none of my saves are at that point anyways.
the question i am asking is not about the speed, but the ability to walljump.

You do lose the ability to wall jump when you get space jump. For those that don't know about why it's faster, you have to fall a block before you can jump again with SJ, but you can wall jump at any time as long as your butt's touching the wall.

Short Circuit

2005-04-16 01:45:49 am

is that true in zero mission? I can space jump as soon as i reah the peak of the ladt one and its actually faster than perfectly scaling a wall IMO

the fall a block first thing is only in fusion and super, right?

BTW, is the true SJ in any other games?

tomatobob

2005-04-16 02:47:58 am

One shall stand, one shall ball.

I think you actually have to fall a wee bit before the next jump in ZM.

JaggerG

2005-04-16 03:35:37 am

Shifty Leader

That M2k2 guy

Don't you slow down when approaching the height of your jump anyways? I'd think Wall jumping before you start slowing is still faster. Anyways, I'm pretty sure you lose wall jumping in ZM with SJ, as well. Otherwise, I definately would remember wall jumping up that huge shaft in Mother Ship.

Skreemaster

2005-04-17 11:38:47 am

I'll be back. Maybe...

I don't think you do... I might be wrong though.

ajbolt89

2005-04-19 11:34:24 am

lol no way

Awesome point man... I personally hardly ever watch runs unless I plan on attempting to reproduce them. Granted there have been a few exceptions, but usually I only watch them to better my own skills... it's more worth it to do that than to just sit there in awe at the run.

Edit: Heeyy, what da... Tim had a post before this which read "Again, what's the point of watching a run if you can't reproduce it without cheating?"
Yeah, you've been exposed Tim.
*cough*

Ryan Ferneau

2005-04-20 09:39:23 pm

If you could reproduce it, you wouldn't need to watch it! You could just do it!

Starblade

2005-04-21 12:58:42 pm

Why do I doubt that people here are going to be willing to cheat to do something that shouldn't be possible? People here look down on doing that, Ryan. You said you don't care about skill, and look at the runs academically, which I interpret as saying that you don't care how something is done (tool-assisted or no), just as long as it got done. In these forums, people care about skill more than being able to do it using save-states a thousand times to get one thing right.