[SM] Super Metroid Impossible

2007-10-14 03:38:25 am

Yeah, if you watch Kriole's WIP 3, he manages to pump 6 missiles into Croc's mouth at one time. Pretty insane, I never thought that was possible.

Cpadolf

2007-10-14 04:05:25 am

Almost happy

He is doing decent work, but he missed many many timesaving cwj's for example. And it is with a good deal of optimization possible to get down to crocmire without refilling at the refill station. His diogonal bobmbjump somewhere after the Super Missile was sweet though.

Tonski

2007-10-14 04:45:36 am

He's doing very good work and fast! I'm not sure if my TAS will be nearly as good as his, many of those tricks are simply amazing. That DBJ and all. Croc fight was golden too.

ICheatAtGolf

2007-10-14 05:15:42 am

Yeah but Tonski, if you think about it, all the time you spent optimizing is comparable to the time he spent getting those tricks down. In the end, your run, being more solid, will probably be better (and undoubtedly faster as well).

Edit: I have to admit the pipe maze was a lot of fun to watch. Pseudo spring ball, anyone?

Tonski

2007-10-15 03:20:52 pm

Finally, after my many many hours of working on this to make it good and long WIP, it's finally done! I proudly present you:

Super Metroid Impossible TAS WIP 3

Defeats Kraid and Crocomire and gets 3 first etanks and spazer. Anyone who has played this hack should definatly check this. Ends at the morph ball maze, you gotta leave something for WIP 4 too. ;) (which will probably be the last one I'll release)

All I can say is enjoy, I sure do. :P

EDIT:
Lol dunno what's wrong with the link.
EDIT2:
I won't be posting this at TASvideos since no one there seems to show any interest towards the run.

P.JMan

2007-10-15 04:13:03 pm

I like Big Butts and I can not lie

Quote from Tonski:

Finally, after my many many hours of working on this to make it good and long WIP, it's finally done! I proudly present you:

Super Metroid Impossible TAS WIP 3

Defeats Kraid and Crocomire and gets 3 first etanks and spazer. Anyone who has played this hack should definatly check this. Ends at the morph ball maze, you gotta leave something for WIP 4 too. ;) (which will probably be the last one I'll release)

All I can say is enjoy, I sure do. :P

Fixed

Saturn

2007-10-15 04:33:36 pm

Looks great, Tonski! The TAS quality level is really high, and I liked seeing you used different strategies than Kriole sometimes. I can't say which ones are faster though, but this doesn't matter that much anyway, as the differences are probably minimal in most cases. As for the room strategies, I really liked the Kraid Lair exit by using the CWJ/morphball combo. The Crocomire exit and falling down till the maze room was very smooth too. All in all a really nice WIP. Good job, Tonski!

The only thing I wonder now, did you decide to keep the progress private after WIP4, to not spoil any more tricks, and thus maintain the surprise factor until it's done? Regardless your decision, I'm looking forward to this run. :)

Tonski

2007-10-15 04:50:30 pm

Thanks Saturn, I'm glad you liked it, I worked a lot on this WIP.

I'm pretty sure that almost all my strats are faster than Kriole's I've tested almost all of them and I'd be surprised if many of them were slower. Most credits (pretty much all) of the Kraid lair exit CWJ goes to CPadolf, I had my thoughts about it but he was the one showing me that it's very possible. :P Thanks. How'd you like the Kraid fight?

Yes, the idea would be that the last WIP, the fourth would go on until beating Phantoon and maybe a bit further haven't decided how far yet, and after that there wouldn't be WIP 5. As you said I wanna keep the surprise factor and make you guys wait for the full TAS. This TAS is pretty much in the beginning in my opinion, there's a full pain in the ass Maridia and Draygon to optimize, LN won't be nearly as shitty as that I can assure. :|

Personally I aim to finish this TAS better and faster than Kriole while making it more entertaining and I think I'm succeeding in my goal so far, dunno about you.

Thanks Saturn, I'm glad you liked it, I worked a lot on this WIP.

I'm pretty sure that [i]almost[/i] all my strats are faster than Kriole's I've tested almost all of them and I'd be surprised if many of them were slower. Most credits (pretty much all) of the Kraid lair exit CWJ goes to CPadolf, I had my thoughts about it but he was the one showing me that it's very possible. :P Thanks. How'd you like the Kraid fight?

Yes, the idea would be that the last WIP, the fourth would go on until beating Phantoon and maybe a bit further haven't decided how far yet, and after that there wouldn't be WIP 5. As you said I wanna keep the surprise factor and make you guys wait for the full TAS. This TAS is pretty much in the beginning in my opinion, there's a full pain in the ass Maridia and Draygon to optimize, LN won't be nearly as shitty as that I can assure.  :|

Personally I aim to finish this TAS better and faster than Kriole while making it more entertaining and I think I'm succeeding in my goal so far, dunno about you.

Sneaky Paradox

2007-10-15 09:35:32 pm

Oh yes, its very entertaining. Kriole is more known for show in his TAS' than hardcore speed.

P.JMan

2007-10-16 01:31:46 pm

I like Big Butts and I can not lie

Couldn't you have used missiles on mini-kraid and gotton missile refills from it. And wouldn't it have been faster to use some bombs on Crocomire, saving ammo and making more hits per round

Cpadolf

2007-10-16 01:39:16 pm

Almost happy

Mini-kraid for whatever reason apparently does not drop missiles, ever.

Tonski

2007-10-16 03:06:57 pm

As Cpadolf stated fake-Kraid seemed to never drop any missile refils.

Haha bombs on Croc. Do they make 1 missile worth of "damage"? I could imagine using one just on the moment he opens his mouth and shooting the rest with missiles. I dunno this never crossed my mind.

ICheatAtGolf

2007-10-16 05:04:15 pm

Nice, I didn't know this was out yet.

I enjoyed watching this WIP and found it highly entertaining. The main points of awesomeness were of course the spore spawn fight, the CWJ off the spikes in red brinstar ( Shocked

) with only 1-3 frames of invincibility left, and the Kraid fight. I liked how you morphed on top of his spike so you could fit under the platform (though it consumed a little time)

The Crocomire fight was pretty efficient as well, even though you seemed to get less hits than Kriole. But it didn't seem all that much slower, if at all.

The CWJ's here and there were a very nice touch also.

All in all, I found it both highly entertaining and speed efficient. Great job!

Tonski

2007-10-16 05:27:28 pm

I'm very glad to hear you liked it. :P

I don't think it matters how many hits I did, he went down to the acid and is dead now heh. Kriole also took a lot of hits which in my opinion made the fight look a bit less entertaining.

I'm very sure that overall my work so far is much faster than Kriole's, he ain't optimizing his TAS as much as I am, though still I'm not optimizing it to the max. :)

Thanks for watching and commenting, feedback like this keeps me going on with my TAS.

Cpadolf

2007-10-16 05:39:20 pm

Almost happy

Yeah, though it's hard to tell about the microoptimization since there is no smv for krioles vids. I think you gain the most tome on him by using somewhat more up to date tricks and in many cases faster room strategies.

Tonski

2007-10-17 05:05:25 am

Plus I optimize more.

ducknerd

2007-10-17 07:15:51 pm

Eschews avatars

Is this going on youtube at some point? I'd love to see it sometime.

Tonski

2007-10-18 06:05:42 am

I don't think I'm uploading this on Youtube before the TAS is done and that will take a long while because of the hardness of this hack (very hard optimizations in future even for TASing) and because this hack is just so long. I can't even skip any minibosses.

Personally if I can advice you download Super Metroid (U).smc and SNES9X v1.43 improvements9 (I think it's that) and watch the smv, it's much better quality than some Youtube shit. I guarantee it's worth downloading the emulator. ;)

Saturn

2007-10-19 11:28:25 am

Quote from Tonski:

How'd you like the Kraid fight?

I liked it, especially because you used a different strategy than Kriole, which was something new to see. He tried to collect as many Missile as possible to shot them all at once, while you mostly got only one refill but shot more frequently for that. I guess both strats are nearly same fast in the end.

Quote from Tonski:

Personally I aim to finish this TAS better and faster than Kriole while making it more entertaining and I think I'm succeeding in my goal so far, dunno about you.

Well, it will probaby be faster. Though a slightly slower run does not necessary mean it's less entertaining. Both runs often show different strategies in many rooms, thus making them both entertaining in their own way.

Tonski

2007-10-29 09:49:20 am

Watch.

I didn't like his Phantoon 5 round and there's many other mistakes too which could've been avoided, but overall I think he did a great job.

Saturn's gonna come so sure when he sees it. Rolling Eyes

EDIT:
Could have he used a pseudo springball at that Beetom in Red Brinstar?

Taco

2007-10-30 05:21:48 pm

Kriole's WIP 5 is up

Lance Uppercut

2007-10-30 05:48:34 pm

Yes he could have used pseudo-springball many times elsewhere too and also the water ball in the second room of Maridia. Maybe he does not know about that.

Obviously he is not going so much for the speed, just wants the progress to proceed. It is still nice to watch though. At least he will finish this product quite fast if this pace keeps up.

Why did he collect the extra super missiles if he does not obtain the space jump right away? Planning to skip plasma after Draygon just like PJ did? Maybe that is just about enough to finish Botwoon without the charge beam.

Cpadolf

2007-10-30 06:31:13 pm

Almost happy

He probably took the Super Missile because it makes everything slightly easier and faster (while not entirely covering up the loss though) and he just plans to finish without planning out a perfect route. Probably he will take plasma too since otherwise he will need very many missiles.

About spacejump, I don't think it saves very much time anyway so it will probably be little time difference from taking it after plasma.

And botwoon, 10 Supers should at least grant him a 2 round, I made a test of botwoon with PJ's missile stock (5 supers and 20 missiles) and that gave me a 3 round (the last round he only needed 1 charged shot). A 1 round would probably be very tight since it is required to hit him with 10 supers and 10 regular missiles but maybe it is possible if you manipulate his slowest pattern.

Oh yeah, no charge beam... That does make the extra Super required (if not collecting another 5 missiles... because he had 20 right?) Tonski should consider this when reaching that point in his run.

It is probably better in the end to skip the super and taking chargebeam since you have to collect it later anyway. That or as said collecting the closest 5 or 10 extra missiles.

He probably took the Super Missile because it makes everything slightly easier and faster (while not entirely covering up the loss though) and he just plans to finish without planning out a perfect route. Probably he will take plasma too since otherwise he will need very many missiles.

About spacejump, I don't think it saves very much time anyway so it will probably be little time difference from taking it after plasma.

And botwoon, 10 Supers should at least grant him a 2 round, I made a test of botwoon with PJ's missile stock (5 supers and 20 missiles) and that gave me a 3 round (the last round he only needed 1 charged shot). A 1 round would probably be very tight since it is required to hit him with 10 supers and 10 regular missiles but maybe it is possible if you manipulate his slowest pattern.

Oh yeah, no charge beam... That does make the extra Super required (if not collecting another 5 missiles... because he had 20 right?) Tonski should consider this when reaching that point in his run.

It is probably better in the end to skip the super and taking chargebeam since you have to collect it later anyway. That or as said collecting the closest 5 or 10 extra missiles.

Tonski

2007-10-31 11:18:24 am

When I'm at that point in my run and we're both online at the same time we'll talk that through totally so I can make my final decision. After all, you show much more knowledge about this game (and this hack) than I do. :)

Kriole's WIP 5 was good too, although there were again many places where he could've optimized further. As someone said he seems to only care about progressing faster not about optimization.

Lance Uppercut

2007-10-31 01:56:19 pm

Someone? You sure have an interesting memory since I just said that just before Cpadolfs post. It is on the same page even.

He claims that this is just a test run, but I think this will be the one and only version by him. I sure hope he proves me wrong though.

As for the morph ball maze, is it faster to demorph and jump from the lower block in the end of the maze like I did in my smv a couple of pages back or is it faster the way Kriole did it here? I think the first one at least looks cooler, but if it is slower....

What would be the closest missile packs to collect if Tonski were to skip extra supers and charge beam? I cant think of anything that is close enough.

Yeah the space jump does not save that much time since most of the action is underwater and PJ showed that the big room before draygon can be done relatively fast without it too, so there is no place where it would really pay off. It is a shame that we miss a cool trick though. And just about the only sequence break this hack has.

Someone? You sure have an interesting memory since I just said that just before Cpadolfs post. It is on the same page even.

He claims that this is just a test run, but I think this will be the one and only version by him. I sure hope he proves me wrong though.

As for the morph ball maze, is it faster to demorph and jump from the lower block in the end of the maze like I did in my smv a couple of pages back or is it faster the way Kriole did it here? I think the first one at least looks cooler, but if it is slower....

What would be the closest missile packs to collect if Tonski were to skip extra supers and charge beam? I cant think of anything that is close enough.

Yeah the space jump does not save that much time since most of the action is underwater and PJ showed that the big room before draygon can be done relatively fast without it too, so there is no place where it would really pay off. It is a shame that we miss a cool trick though. And just about the only sequence break this hack has.