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JustinDM

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JustinDM: 2014-09-11 02:29:05 pm

2014-09-11 02:26:40 pm

I'm on mobile so it's a mobile link.
I'm not familiar with the site and it's formatting

Skull64

2014-09-11 03:35:26 pm

Honestly if you have a 1:47 nobody cares if you didn't record. T3 has an unverified 1:17 and nobody questions that. I'm going to put you down for 1:47 on the leaderboards.

JustinDM

2014-09-11 03:41:13 pm

Thanks man!

JustinDM

2014-09-15 10:02:35 pm

http://imgur.com/BuURgLH

Frigate Escape NTSC 4:29:43
Actually got a good escape while recording so why not. Internet is down so I have to upload via cell phone.

MrSpEeDrUn

2014-09-16 07:38:04 pm

MP2 also a bit MP1 speedrunning

Well, T3 also has a 55 :D
But yeah, personally, i don't have a problem in putting unverified records on the leaderboards. Unless it's some random person popping up and pretending to get a sub 1 any% run or something..

PersonX

(user is banned)

2014-09-17 08:31:49 am

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Quote from JustinDM:

http://imgur.com/BuURgLH

Frigate Escape NTSC 4:29:43
Actually got a good escape while recording so why not. Internet is down so I have to upload via cell phone.

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Dude for some newbie who just joined the forum that's an incredible time. you claim that you beat the escape times of kip, R Web, Metroid177, Kirbymastah and TRH out of nowhere? These great people even have a hard time with getting a 4:29 escape! i know you posted an image but images can be made in many ways. in this case (since you're new) i'd rather like to see actual video proof. sorry for being so sceptical to you but you're quite new to this and are already claiming to have an unbelieveable escape time which even accomplished long time speedrunners like kirbymastah, Metroid177 and R Web haven't gotten yet.

for the future: i think we need to establish some verification requirement rules for Newbs who just join: new people who claim either escape times of above 4:25, any% times of sub 1:20 or 100% times of sub 1:40 should be required to show actual video proof. my own personal opinion seriously! what do you think guys?

"[quote="JustinDM"]http://imgur.com/BuURgLH

Frigate Escape NTSC 4:29:43
Actually got a good escape while recording so why not. Internet is down so I have to upload via cell phone.[/quote]"

Dude for some newbie who just joined the forum that's an incredible time. you claim that you beat the escape times of kip, R Web, Metroid177, Kirbymastah and TRH out of nowhere? These great people even have a hard time with getting a 4:29 escape! i know you posted an image but images can be made in many ways. in this case (since you're new) i'd rather like to see actual video proof. sorry for being so sceptical to you but you're quite new to this and are already claiming to have an unbelieveable escape time which even accomplished long time speedrunners like kirbymastah, Metroid177 and R Web haven't gotten yet.

for the future: i think we need to establish some verification requirement rules for Newbs who just join: new people who claim either escape times of above 4:25, any% times of sub 1:20 or 100% times of sub 1:40 should be required to show actual video proof. my own personal opinion seriously! what do you think guys?

kirbymastah

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kirbymastah: 2014-09-17 11:32:26 am

kirbymastah: 2014-09-17 11:30:40 am

2014-09-17 11:30:25 am

If you have it recorded, it wouldn't hurt to upload it. This is kind of a case of someone coming out of nowhere with some really good frigate time and if you have a video, there's no reason to not upload it. Because someone with the skill level to get a 4:29:xx frigate escape time would easily have the general skill to have a much better 100% time than a 1:47, considering you claim you've been focusing on 100% lately, so it's understandable for people to have doubts about that.

TheMG2

2014-09-17 11:32:35 am

Well, it shouldn't be that surprising that people focus too much on frigate rather than the rest of the game.

kirbymastah

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kirbymastah: 2014-09-17 11:44:54 am

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2014-09-17 11:34:11 am

Quote from TheMG2:

Well, it shouldn't be that surprising that people focus too much on frigate rather than the rest of the game.

While that's true (case in point: itspersonnal), he did say he's been working on 100% and that his claimed PB of 1:47 was from several days ago. IIRC he also said he just recently started learning the game about a month ago? I may be thinking of someone else. Regardless, a video upload can only help, and he said he has a video recording. I tried looking at his twitch past broadcasts but he probably didn't set them to save =/

Daryoshi

2014-09-17 12:07:32 pm

loving low%

Quote:

Well, it shouldn't be that surprising that people focus too much on frigate rather than the rest of the game.

Exactly the opposite of how I have always been handling it! gah

But, oh well, the frigate might be cool to race for anyone who doesn't have enough time for focussing on the whole game. For me, in contrary, it's VERY annoying having to rush through that 7.5 real minute-taking intro ever and ever again since there're no differences in playing low%/any%/100% and therefore it is the VERY same everytime. It's so annoying for me... Though I can KINDA understand people investigating a lot of time into the frigate part.

Btw congratz on the frigate PB, MPZoid and Justin.

kirbymastah

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2014-09-17 12:48:04 pm

Okay, let me go into a bit more detail (me and at least two other prime runners find justin's times suspicious). You have been learning 100% and claim to have a really fast escape time, close to on par with itspersonnal, and better than me, r web, m177, and so on (me having ran the game for ~1.5 years and being the least experienced of the three). You having a personal best of 1:47 SS100% for several days makes completely no sense. Itspersonnal (someone with a frigate time that's also very good) was able to get a sub-1:50 on a random race without knowing a route, while forgetting an item, and primarily having run any% (but not 100%). This was about a year ago.

It makes completely no sense for you to have a really good escape time (and it's your first submission of it too!) while having a 100% 1:47 SS for several days when you claim to have been doing the IBBF route and focusing on 100% (and not any%). In fact, doing/practicing IBBF consistently enough should take up the majority of your learning time, assuming you started learning the game the past few months. You're (supposedly) a new runner and have no saved twitch broadcasts. On your twitter, you claim to have been streaming only randomizer attempts, not actual speedruns. Granted you were testing your capture card but that was over a month ago. I have to really ask that you provide some video proof of your escape time.

EDIT: Finally, you asked me on twitter over a week ago about where to submit runs. If that were the case, why didn't you submit a frigate time at that time? You suddenly come out of nowhere with a 4:29 later on, as your "first submission"

This isn't proof or anything but it's a ton of minor suspicious things that add up against you. I hope you can convince me otherwise. Again a video and active live streams go a long way.

And as for twitch broadcasts, you should go into your settings to have them save automatically.

Okay, let me go into a bit more detail (me and at least two other prime runners find justin's times suspicious). You have been learning 100% and claim to have a really fast escape time, close to on par with itspersonnal, and better than me, r web, m177, and so on (me having ran the game for ~1.5 years and being the least experienced of the three). You having a personal best of 1:47 SS100% for several days makes completely no sense. Itspersonnal (someone with a frigate time that's also very good) was able to get a sub-1:50 on a random race without knowing a route, while forgetting an item, and primarily having run any% (but not 100%). This was about a year ago.

It makes completely no sense for you to have a really good escape time (and it's your first submission of it too!) while having a 100% 1:47 SS for several days when you claim to have been doing the IBBF route and focusing on 100% (and not any%). In fact, doing/practicing IBBF consistently enough should take up the majority of your learning time, assuming you started learning the game the past few months. You're (supposedly) a new runner and have no saved twitch broadcasts. On your twitter, you claim to have been streaming only randomizer attempts, not actual speedruns. Granted you were testing your capture card but that was over a month ago. I have to really ask that you provide some video proof of your escape time.

EDIT: Finally, you asked me on twitter over a week ago about where to submit runs. If that were the case, why didn't you submit a frigate time at that time? You suddenly come out of nowhere with a 4:29 later on, as your "first submission"

This isn't proof or anything but it's a ton of minor suspicious things that add up against you. I hope you can convince me otherwise. Again a video and active live streams go a long way.

And as for twitch broadcasts, you should go into your settings to have them save automatically.

Aruki

2014-09-17 01:07:57 pm

is all this really necessary...? He said he recorded it, just ask him to upload it and see what happens. These accusations of cheating at this stage are going kinda overboard IMO, especially since he's got a picture. (Yes, pictures can be faked, but the fact that he has one that at least appears to be legitimate gives his claim more legitimacy than someone who posted with no proof whatsoever.)

kirbymastah

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kirbymastah: 2014-09-17 01:27:03 pm

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2014-09-17 01:12:16 pm

Quote from Paraxade:

is all this really necessary...? He said he recorded it, just ask him to upload it and see what happens. These accusations of cheating at this stage are going kinda overboard IMO, especially since he's got a picture. (Yes, pictures can be faked, but the fact that he has one that at least appears to be legitimate gives his claim more legitimacy than someone who posted with no proof whatsoever.)

Yeah, I guess I got pretty impatient and overreacted about that honestly, but I also want to make it immediately clear why having a video proof soon would be really important.

JustinDM

2014-09-17 02:05:51 pm

When I get home I will submit the frigate escape. Golly.

Littlenino

2014-09-17 03:14:21 pm

Don't get Kirby wrong. It's not that he's accusing you of cheating, just that your sudden 4:29.xx escape time (Which is really REALLY good) out of nowhere with no video proof when your PB for your main category is 1:47 (Which is not quite so good by comparison, relatively speaking) just came off as really suspicious.

To be honest, I half-way thought the same thing, but gave the benefit of the doubt since you said you recorded it. Posting the video will clear up any kind of suspicion :)

JustinDM

2014-09-17 04:50:21 pm

Yea. I can see the suspicion. But I didn't think 4:29 was that good. I think I screwed up a dash.

TheMG2

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TheMG2: 2014-09-17 06:04:23 pm

2014-09-17 05:13:20 pm

You guys are really overreacting imo.
EDIT:

Quote:

Dude for some newbie who just joined the forum that's an incredible time. you claim that you beat the escape times of kip, R Web, Metroid177, Kirbymastah and TRH out of nowhere?

http://www.twitch.tv/metroid177/c/5113264 just saying

JustinDM

2014-09-17 06:06:38 pm

ALRIGHT GUYS HERE YOU GO.

There's your proof. Happy?

TheMG2

2014-09-17 06:29:15 pm

IMO, there should be no difference in how one treats new runners vs old runners when it comes to cheating. The spliced 16 star runs in SM64 prove that runners involved in the community could be just as prone to cheating. So treat new runners and old runners the same when it comes to cheating imo.

kirbymastah

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2014-09-17 06:31:01 pm

Fair enough. Thanks a lot for the video, and I apologize for my overreaction and suspicions; I'm glad you stepped up and posted a video to prove me wrong (from my experience, there were some new runners who contacted me with BSed times, this is the first that wasn't the case). You also shouldn't really blame m2k2 as a whole for this as I was the one who was primarily suspicious of your time.

JustinDM

2014-09-17 06:54:03 pm

I'm sorry for posting "metroid2002". But when I saw a damn wall of text all accusations of me I was kinda pissed but laughing at the same time. The fact that I got suspicions because of my good time. But thank you for the apology.

PersonX

(user is banned)

2014-09-17 06:58:20 pm

yeah i'd like to apologize too for being sceptical. sorry. of course just because you joined m2k2 NOW doesn't mean you might not have already played metroid prime earlier before joining.

T3

2014-09-17 07:07:35 pm

Quote from TheMG2:

IMO, there should be no difference in how one treats new runners vs old runners when it comes to cheating. The spliced 16 star runs in SM64 prove that runners involved in the community could be just as prone to cheating. So treat new runners and old runners the same when it comes to cheating imo.

well damn i guess i have to upload my 1:17 now. i'll get right on that.

Littlenino

2014-09-17 07:08:20 pm

Yeah, you dirty cheater!

JustinDM

2014-09-17 07:09:18 pm

What TheMG2 said, there's always gonna be a little bias towards new runners.