maximum % no SJ run

2007-03-14 03:53:13 pm

sorry mr.x didn't know that u have pal version and thank for the tips.

2007-03-14 07:37:12 pm

kyupi+yakisoba=win

Sorry about kinda flying through my segments, i will slow them down from here on out mostly cause things only get harder from here on out and i will try to turn my speed running thought process down a bit too. Segment six did kind of just fall together really good so that is why it is maybe too fast for some. Im gonna leave infinite boost in just cause i really like it and think it still has potential not found yet. I have a few questions though cause im not sure where to go next. im planning on running up to the super missle area to make the super missle move down and then i plan on heading back to chozo ruins to get the wavebuster along with the artifact in the same area. Then get ice beam followed by a trip through the mines to get grapple beam and power bombs. Does this sound good cause i haven't looked at the gamefaqs thing yet to know for sure.

recit0

2007-03-15 03:57:28 pm

i trying to do a speerun for fun nsj and i want to know all speedtricks that you guys knows. thanks

SuperSkeetBro

2007-03-15 04:04:46 pm

craztad-im not sure. it sounds ok but i think you really need to go through the gamefaq method. they way i went about doing this was i did everything in the gamefaq told me to in order. I picked up a few ME.s and tanks that the walkthrough didnt mention along the way. after i got stuck in phazon mines for a LONG time, i first collected everything in phazon that i could then duplicated my file. on my other memory card. i action replayed SJ to get out and then went on to collect anything and everything i still hadnt collect. writing down every item and scan and there location along the way. i also solved each room as i went along with a few exceptions, root cave for one. I think its about time i got started on a rough draft walkthrough. i will be away in new mexico for a lil over a week so i will have plenty of spare time. no school no fiance, but i will be visiting with a family member dying of cancer.

recit0

2007-03-15 04:22:56 pm

i hope every things will be ok and good luck Wink

craztad

2007-03-15 06:38:27 pm

kyupi+yakisoba=win

Well i think my route will still work and i just read the gamefaqs route and don't particularly like it, but that is probably just me. I don't have any problem getting out of phazon processing (i think thats what it is called) without the spiderball so im just gonna go through the mines, then head for the spiderball, supermissle, thermal visor, gravity suit, ect... cause thats how i did it when i was quickly going through all the areas to see all the problem areas i would run into. I may run into a dead end but thats what backup memory cards are for.

This is also another reason why i said your video's will probably be better cause you will do things in a much more organized order compared to me. Im gonna be doing quite a bit of backtracking.

I already noticed one missle expansion i missed in magmoor caverns in the triclops pit where you have to blow up part of the piller. It was a tricky one to figure out too. I had to bomb jump onto an invisible platform then jump to the next invisible platform then jump to the missle. It sounds a lot easier than it really was for me anyways.

recit: Just watch my vids cause i am trying to do it fairly fast. There is probably a lot faster methods out there. You just have to look for them yourself or maybe ask about an particular room you want to know a faster method for. Im not gonna sit here and tell you all the known tricks to speed the whole run up cause that could take several hundreds of pages.

Well i think my route will still work and i just read the gamefaqs route and don't particularly like it, but that is probably just me. I don't have any problem getting out of phazon processing (i think thats what it is called) without the spiderball so im just gonna go through the mines, then head for the spiderball, supermissle, thermal visor, gravity suit, ect... cause thats how i did it when i was quickly going through all the areas to see all the problem areas i would run into. I may run into a dead end but thats what backup memory cards are for.

This is also another reason why i said your video's will probably be better cause you will do things in a much more organized order compared to me. Im gonna be doing quite a bit of backtracking.

I already noticed one missle expansion i missed in magmoor caverns in the triclops pit where you have to blow up part of the piller. It was a tricky one to figure out too. I had to bomb jump onto an invisible platform then jump to the next invisible platform then jump to the missle. It sounds a lot easier than it really was for me anyways.

recit: Just watch my vids cause i am trying to do it fairly fast. There is probably a lot faster methods out there. You just have to look for them yourself or maybe ask about an particular room you want to know a faster method for. Im not gonna sit here and tell you all the known tricks to speed the whole run up cause that could take several hundreds of pages.

SuperSkeetBro

2007-03-15 07:06:07 pm

craztad- that was one of the last ME.s that i was able to find. i remmeber how annoying it was making that DBJ to the invisible platform. i however eventually realized that you could do a normal jump to it. you just have to stand on a nich in the wall a little bit higher from the ledge you can DBJ from. if i remember correctly it doesnt look like you can stand on the wall but you can. as far as you going about your own method...well i suppose thats alright just be aware of where your heading. I HIGHLY recomend at least getting the spiderball tho. as i think the grapple beam is easier to acquire, as well as quite a few other things. but hey thats your call.

craztad

2007-03-15 08:21:23 pm

kyupi+yakisoba=win

i thought to get grapple beam it was just an easy little combat dash. Or was i just dreaming that or something.

recit0

2007-03-15 08:22:31 pm

no u can by scan dash the grapple and its very easy .

SuperSkeetBro

2007-03-15 10:12:02 pm

sorry, i guess i just do things the honest way if it can be done by the time I reach the room. one thing to consider is if you fall down tho. also i know that there is a room that requires spiderball to climb up with all of the purple electric thingys. dont know if there is anyway back up without it.

craztad

2007-03-15 11:14:47 pm

kyupi+yakisoba=win

I won't be going back to that place. All im doing in phazon mines is grabbing the grapple beam, a missle expansion, powerbomb, then an energy tank. Then im heading to the elevator to magmoor then the next elevator leading to thardus and the spiderball.
And i found a way back up if i fall down without the spiderball. it just takes a little double bomb jump instant unmorph in the same spot you would normally use the spiderball. I land up on that walkway and give the bomb jump another go. Im thinking i might as well grab the missle expansion in this room while im at it.

SuperSkeetBro

2007-03-15 11:49:08 pm

yeah dude. you are truely setting yourself up for ALOT of backtracking.

craztad

2007-03-16 12:45:06 am

kyupi+yakisoba=win

I don't know that it is going to be a lot. I wouldn't go back into the mines until i had the plasma beam anyways so i will only make one more trip to the mines and that will be after ive been everywhere else. The only real backtracking i see myself doing is to get the artifact where flaaghra is and an extra little side trip to the mines to get the missle expansion i missed. Otherwise everything is kind of in a big circle as i see it but im sure i have to be missing something cause it is all sounding way too easy so im bound to hit a dead end. You can all laugh at me when i do cause i have a bad feeling about phendrana.

Edit: i also got three more vids up. my wavebuster seg is kind of ugly so i don't suggest watching it when you can just watch Mr. X vid of it cause his is much better.

SuperSkeetBro

2007-03-29 01:34:24 pm

ok folks sorry its been awhile. im finally back from new mexico. while i was gone i decided to start all over so i could write down my route up to this point. this is ONLY the route. not telling what techniques i used to sequence break or how i got the items. id like to give partial credit to gamefaq for part of this as i printed up the 100% natural route and am modifying it. i want people to keep in mind that i made this as the EASIEST route. not necessarily the fastest. but i at least found the least amount of backtracking while maintaining ease. also i went around collecting EVERYTHING possible before entering phazon mines, wich later i found out i didnt need to do as i realized you can in fact keep the door powered up in the crashed frigate and thus having an easy phazon exit. there are a few items that could have been grabbed alot earlier but decided not to get them early because other items near that area could not be obtained until later upgrades, so i figured id make one trip for both. Example:wavebuster become avalable as soon as you get wavebeam, but the artifact right next to it requires gravity suit. i only have up to about 62% completed but i will add on to this once im done. anyways this may take up a few posts......so onto the next post.

craztad

2007-03-29 02:12:53 pm

kyupi+yakisoba=win

The artifact right by wave buster can be attained without gravity suit. Watch my segment 8.

I do the under water jump at about 5:28 area of the video. Its really easy to do too.

SuperSkeetBro

2007-03-29 02:13:08 pm

------ Frigate Orpheon ------
Exterior Docking Hangar
Air Lock
Deck Alpha Access Hall
Emergency Evacuation Area
ScanNow – Parasite
Deck Alpha Umbilical Hall
Map Facility
Scan – Map Station
Connection Elevator to Deck Beta
Deck Beta Conduit Hall
Biotech Research Area 1
Scan – Small Energy
Deck Beta Security Hall
Scan – Auto Turret
Scan - Missle Ammo
Biohazard Containment
ScanNow – Pirate Data “Fall of Zebes”
Deck Beta Transit Hall
Cargo Freight Lift to Deck Gamma
Reactor Core Entrance
Scan – Save Station
Reactor Core
ScanNow – Parasite Queen
Deck Gamma Monitor Hall
Connection Elevator to Deck Beta
Biotech Research Area 1
Subventilation Shaft Section A
Subventilation Shaft Section B
Main Ventilation Shaft Section A
Main Ventilation Shaft Section B
Main Ventilation Shaft Section C
Main Ventilation Shaft Section D
Main Ventilation Shaft Section E
Main Ventilation Shaft Section F
Biotech Research Area 2
Connection Elevator to Deck Alpha
Deck Alpha Mech Shaft
Air Lock
Exterior Docking Hangar

------ Tallon Overworld ------
Landing Site
Scan – Gunship
Take – door to the right
Canyon Cavern
Scan – Beetle
Scan – large Energy
Tallon Canyon
Scan – Zoomer
Scan – Geemer
Transport Tunnel A
Scan – Sap Sac
Transport to Chozo Ruins West

------ Chozo Ruins ------
Transport to Tallon Overworld North
Ruins Entrance
Scan – Chozo Lore “Fountain”
Main Plaza
Take – far door to the left
Nursery Access
Scan – Scarab
Eyon Tunnel
Scan – Eyon
Ruined Nursery
Scan – Chozo Lore “Exodus”
Scan – War Wasp
Scan – War Wasp Hive
Save Station 1
Ruined Nursery
North Atrium
Ruined Gallery
Scan – Blastcap
Scan – Tangle Weed
Totem Access
Scan – Plazmite
Hive Totem
ScanNow – Ram War Wasp
ScanNow – Hive Mecha
Item – Missile Launcher
Scan – Missile Door Lock
Transport Access North
Scan – Energy Tank
Item – Energy Tank
Hive Totem
Totem Access
Ruined Gallery
Item – Missile Expansion
Take – missile door
Map Station
Ruined Gallery
North Atrium
Ruined Nursery
Eyon Tunnel
Nursery Access
Main Plaza
Take – missile door
Ruined Shrine Access
Ruined Shrine
Scan – Plated Beetle
Item – Morph Ball
Ruined Shrine Access
Main Plaza
Take – upper door by bridge
Ruined Fountain Access
Ruined Fountain
Scan – Chozo Lore “Hatchling”
Take – left door
Arboretum Access
Scan – Shriekbat
Arboretum
Scan – Reaper Vine
Gathering Hall Access
Gathering Hall
Take – missile door
Save Station 2
Gathering Hall
Take – upper door
East Atrium
Energy Core Access
Energy Core
Scan - locked door
Scan-- Stone Toad
Burn Dome Access
Burn Dome
ScanNow – Incinerator Drone
ScanNow – Barbed War Wasp
Item – Morph Ball Bomb
Item – Missile Expansion
Burn Dome Access
Energy Core
Scan – Stone Toad
Scan – Morph Ball Slot
West Furnace Access
Furnace
Item – Energy Tank
West Furnace Access
Energy Core
Energy Core Access
East Atrium
Gathering Hall
Item-M.E.
Take – remaining door
Watery Hall Access
Item – Missile Expansion
Watery Hall
Scan – Chozo Lore “Meteor Strike”
Item – Charge Beam
Dynamo Access
Dynamo
Item – Missile Expansion
Watery Hall
Watery Hall Access
Gathering Hall
Gathering Hall Access
Arboretum
Scan – Venom Weed
Sunchamber Lobby
Sunchamber Access
Sunchamber
ScanNow – Flaahgra
ScanNow – Flaahgra Tentacles
Item – Varia Suit
Sun Tower Access
Scan - ultra energy
Scan – Pulse Bombu
Sun Tower
Scan - Oculus
Scan – Chozo Lore “Contain”
Transport to Magmoor Caverns North
Take – left door
Vault Access
Vault
Scan – Chozo Lore “Beginnings”
Item – Missile Expansion
Plaza Access
Item – Energy Tank
Main Plaza
Ruined Nursery Access
Eyon Tunnel
Ruined Nursery
Item – Missile Expansion
Ruined Gallery
Item – Missile Expansion
Totem Access
Hive Totem
Transport Access North
Transport to Magmoor Caverns North

------ Magmoor Caverns ------
Transport to Chozo Ruins North
Burning Trail
Save Station Magmoor A
Burning Trail
Scan – Grizby
Lake Tunnel
Scan – Burrower
Lava Lake
Scan – Magmoor
Scan – Puffer
Artifact of Nature
Pit Tunnel
Scan – Triclops
Triclops Pit
Item - M.E.
Storage Cavern
Item – Missile Expansion
Triclops Pit
Monitor Tunnel
Monitor Station
Take – door across bridge
Transport Tunnel A
Item – Energy Tank
Transport to Phendrana Drifts North

------ Phendrana Drifts ------
Transport to Magmoor Caverns West
Shoreline Entrance
Phendrana Shorelines
Scan – Crystallite
Scan – Flickerbat
(first sequence break aside from M.E.'s tanks or artifacts)
Temple Entryway
Scan-Scatter Bombu
Chozo Ice Temple
Scan - Baby Sheegoth
Scan- Ice Parasite
Chapel Tunnel
Chapel of the elders
Scan - Sheegoth
Item - wavebeam
Chapel Tunnel
Chozo Ice temple
Phendrana Shorelines
Take – door above
Ice Ruins Access
Ice Ruins East
(M.E. in spiderball hole may be possible with an hbj)
Plaza Walkway
ScanNow – Ice Burrower
Phendrana Shorelines
Take – door on left
Ruins Entryway
Ice Ruins West
ScanNow – Ice Shriekbat
Scan – Chozo Lore “Cipher”
Take – missile door
Canyon Entryway
Phendrana Canyon
Item – Boost Ball
Scan – Chozo Lore “The Turned”
Canyon Entryway
Ice Ruins West
Scan - Stalagtite
(Take the wavedoor. can TBJ to it or scan dash from top of building)
Courtyard Entryway
Ruined Courtyard
Scan - Spinner
Item - Energy tank
Specimen Storage
Scan - Shadow Pirate
Research Entrance
scan - Space Pirate
Map station
Research Entrance
Hydra Lab Entryway
Research Lab Hydra
Scan-pirate data "mining status"
Scan-pirate data "security breaches"
Scan-pirate data "Phazon Analysis"
Scan-pirate data "Glacial Wastes"
Scan-pirate data "Parasite Larva"
Observatory Access
Scan- pirate data "contact"
Scan- pirate data "Phazon Program"
Scan- planet tallon IV
Scan- planet zebes
Backtrack to Phendrana Shorelines
Shoreline Entrance
Transport to Magmoor Caverns West

------ Magmoor Caverns ------
Transport to Phendrana Drifts North
Transport Tunnel A
Monitor Station
Shore Tunnel
Fiery Shores
item-M.E.
Transport Tunnel B
Transport to Tallon Overworld West

(this whole tallon trip could potentially wait until later but i wanted the M.E.s early.))
------ Tallon Overworld ------
Transport to Magmoor Caverns East
Transport Tunnel B
Item – Missile Expansion
Root Cave
Take – missile door
Root Tunnel
Scan – Bloodflower
Tallon Canyon
Landing Site
Item – Missile Expansion
Canyon Cavern
Tallon Canyon
Root Tunnel
Root Cave
Transport Tunnel B
Transport to Magmoor Caverns East

THE REST WILL COME LATER I GOT SCHOOL

------ Frigate Orpheon ------
Exterior Docking Hangar
Air Lock
Deck Alpha Access Hall
Emergency Evacuation Area
  ScanNow – Parasite
Deck Alpha Umbilical Hall
Map Facility
  Scan – Map Station
Connection Elevator to Deck Beta
Deck Beta Conduit Hall
Biotech Research Area 1
  Scan – Small Energy
Deck Beta Security Hall
  Scan – Auto Turret
  Scan - Missle Ammo
Biohazard Containment
  ScanNow – Pirate Data “Fall of Zebes”
Deck Beta Transit Hall
Cargo Freight Lift to Deck Gamma
Reactor Core Entrance
  Scan – Save Station
Reactor Core
  ScanNow – Parasite Queen
Deck Gamma Monitor Hall
Connection Elevator to Deck Beta
Biotech Research Area 1
Subventilation Shaft Section A
Subventilation Shaft Section B
Main Ventilation Shaft Section A
Main Ventilation Shaft Section B
Main Ventilation Shaft Section C
Main Ventilation Shaft Section D
Main Ventilation Shaft Section E
Main Ventilation Shaft Section F
Biotech Research Area 2
Connection Elevator to Deck Alpha
Deck Alpha Mech Shaft
Air Lock
Exterior Docking Hangar

------ Tallon Overworld ------
Landing Site
  Scan – Gunship
  Take – door to the right
Canyon Cavern
  Scan – Beetle
  Scan – large Energy
Tallon Canyon
  Scan – Zoomer
  Scan – Geemer
Transport Tunnel A
  Scan – Sap Sac
Transport to Chozo Ruins West

------ Chozo Ruins ------
Transport to Tallon Overworld North
Ruins Entrance
  Scan – Chozo Lore “Fountain”
Main Plaza
  Take – far door to the left
Nursery Access
  Scan – Scarab
Eyon Tunnel
  Scan – Eyon
Ruined Nursery
  Scan – Chozo Lore “Exodus”
  Scan – War Wasp
  Scan – War Wasp Hive
Save Station 1
Ruined Nursery
North Atrium
Ruined Gallery
  Scan – Blastcap
  Scan – Tangle Weed
Totem Access
  Scan – Plazmite
Hive Totem
  ScanNow – Ram War Wasp
  ScanNow – Hive Mecha
  Item – Missile Launcher
  Scan – Missile Door Lock
Transport Access North
  Scan – Energy Tank
  Item – Energy Tank
Hive Totem
Totem Access
Ruined Gallery
  Item – Missile Expansion
  Take – missile door
Map Station
Ruined Gallery
North Atrium
Ruined Nursery
Eyon Tunnel
Nursery Access
Main Plaza
  Take – missile door
Ruined Shrine Access
Ruined Shrine
  Scan – Plated Beetle
  Item – Morph Ball
Ruined Shrine Access
Main Plaza
  Take – upper door by bridge
Ruined Fountain Access
Ruined Fountain
  Scan – Chozo Lore “Hatchling”
  Take – left door
Arboretum Access
  Scan – Shriekbat
Arboretum
  Scan – Reaper Vine
Gathering Hall Access
Gathering Hall
  Take – missile door
Save Station 2
Gathering Hall
  Take – upper door
East Atrium
Energy Core Access
Energy Core
  Scan - locked door
  Scan-- Stone Toad
Burn Dome Access
Burn Dome
  ScanNow – Incinerator Drone
  ScanNow – Barbed War Wasp
  Item – Morph Ball Bomb
  Item – Missile Expansion
Burn Dome Access
Energy Core
  Scan – Stone Toad
  Scan – Morph Ball Slot
West Furnace Access
Furnace
  Item – Energy Tank 
West Furnace Access
Energy Core
Energy Core Access
East Atrium
Gathering Hall
  Item-M.E.
  Take – remaining door
Watery Hall Access
  Item – Missile Expansion
Watery Hall
  Scan – Chozo Lore “Meteor Strike”
  Item – Charge Beam
Dynamo Access
Dynamo
  Item – Missile Expansion
Watery Hall
Watery Hall Access
Gathering Hall
Gathering Hall Access
Arboretum
  Scan – Venom Weed
Sunchamber Lobby
Sunchamber Access
Sunchamber
  ScanNow – Flaahgra
  ScanNow – Flaahgra Tentacles
  Item – Varia Suit
Sun Tower Access
  Scan - ultra energy
  Scan – Pulse Bombu
Sun Tower
  Scan - Oculus
  Scan – Chozo Lore “Contain”
Transport to Magmoor Caverns North
  Take – left door
Vault Access
Vault
  Scan – Chozo Lore “Beginnings”
  Item – Missile Expansion
Plaza Access
  Item – Energy Tank
Main Plaza
Ruined Nursery Access
Eyon Tunnel
Ruined Nursery
  Item – Missile Expansion
Ruined Gallery
  Item – Missile Expansion
Totem Access
Hive Totem
Transport Access North
Transport to Magmoor Caverns North

------ Magmoor Caverns ------
Transport to Chozo Ruins North
Burning Trail
Save Station Magmoor A
Burning Trail
  Scan – Grizby
Lake Tunnel
  Scan – Burrower
Lava Lake
  Scan – Magmoor
  Scan – Puffer
  Artifact of Nature
Pit Tunnel
  Scan – Triclops
Triclops Pit
  Item - M.E.
Storage Cavern
  Item – Missile Expansion
Triclops Pit
Monitor Tunnel
Monitor Station
  Take – door across bridge
Transport Tunnel A
  Item – Energy Tank
Transport to Phendrana Drifts North

------ Phendrana Drifts ------
Transport to Magmoor Caverns West
Shoreline Entrance
Phendrana Shorelines
  Scan – Crystallite
  Scan – Flickerbat
(first sequence break aside from M.E.'s tanks or artifacts)
Temple Entryway
  Scan-Scatter Bombu
Chozo Ice Temple
  Scan - Baby Sheegoth
  Scan- Ice Parasite
Chapel Tunnel
Chapel of the elders
  Scan - Sheegoth
  Item - wavebeam
Chapel Tunnel
Chozo Ice temple
Phendrana Shorelines
  Take – door above
Ice Ruins Access
Ice Ruins East
 (M.E. in spiderball hole may be possible with an hbj)
Plaza Walkway
  ScanNow – Ice Burrower
Phendrana Shorelines
  Take – door on left
Ruins Entryway
Ice Ruins West
  ScanNow – Ice Shriekbat
  Scan – Chozo Lore “Cipher”
  Take – missile door
Canyon Entryway
Phendrana Canyon
  Item – Boost Ball
  Scan – Chozo Lore “The Turned”
Canyon Entryway
Ice Ruins West
  Scan - Stalagtite
(Take the wavedoor. can TBJ to it or scan dash from top of building)
Courtyard Entryway
Ruined Courtyard
  Scan - Spinner
  Item - Energy tank
Specimen Storage
  Scan - Shadow Pirate
Research Entrance
 scan - Space Pirate
Map station
Research Entrance
Hydra Lab Entryway
Research Lab Hydra
  Scan-pirate data "mining status"
  Scan-pirate data "security breaches"
  Scan-pirate data "Phazon Analysis"
  Scan-pirate data "Glacial Wastes"
  Scan-pirate data "Parasite Larva"
Observatory Access
  Scan- pirate data "contact"
  Scan- pirate data "Phazon Program"
  Scan- planet tallon IV
  Scan- planet zebes
Backtrack to Phendrana Shorelines
Shoreline Entrance
Transport to Magmoor Caverns West

------ Magmoor Caverns ------
Transport to Phendrana Drifts North
Transport Tunnel A
Monitor Station
Shore Tunnel
Fiery Shores
 item-M.E.
Transport Tunnel B
Transport to Tallon Overworld West

(this whole tallon trip could potentially wait until later but i wanted the M.E.s early.))
------ Tallon Overworld ------
Transport to Magmoor Caverns East
Transport Tunnel B
  Item – Missile Expansion
Root Cave
  Take – missile door
Root Tunnel
  Scan – Bloodflower
Tallon Canyon
Landing Site
  Item – Missile Expansion
Canyon Cavern
Tallon Canyon
Root Tunnel
Root Cave
Transport Tunnel B
Transport to Magmoor Caverns East

THE REST WILL COME LATER I GOT SCHOOL

SuperSkeetBro

2007-03-29 02:25:16 pm

OK well i guess ill have to make a revision of the route eventually. i cant even tell what the hell you were doing. its like i saw a bunch of blue and then poof you were out of the water. anyways, im not sure if my final route will be for ease or for speed/absolute earliest to get the items. i may just make side notes along the way saying "if you want this item now this is how you do it. or you can wait til later when its easier. then later discribe the easier route"

AJAX

2007-03-29 02:56:20 pm

“Well done is better than well said”

I just so happen to be at that segment now. That ghetto can take 3 to five tries for me sometimes and that's with SJ. Any tips to make that easier would be super. Without Gravity of course. Thanks.

Edit: Never my mind the help I figured it out on my own. When I just used one jump I went up the ledge every single time. When I included the 2'nd jump it was much harder. So on that particuler jump it's easier with one jump. I guess I just never knew.

craztad

2007-04-05 06:14:47 pm

kyupi+yakisoba=win

Sorry about the quality in my vids. I will try to brighten them up in my new ones. I started over cause i figured a bunch of new things to add and a big branch out on one of my segments to speed things up.

I just ran into a problem trying to get a power bomb expansion in phendrana. I think it was in phendrana's edge. I got all the way up to the two floating platforms. I couldn't reach the second so that is as far as i got. How do you get up there. I must be missing something simple cause there is an artifact up there too but you need the plasma beam to get it. Is there a dash to some ledge im just not seeing. I really don't want to attempt a crazy hbjump if i don't have to.

edit: nevermind i just thought it was a lot further to the second platform than it really was. a double bomb jump worked fine. It just failed horribly on my first attempt i guess.

edit 2: I just added a couple more segments. I am up to 61% on video now. I also can't wait for you to start putting all this together in video superskeetbro. Ive never watched a video where a person is trying to scan everything as they go along.

Sorry about the quality in my vids. I will try to brighten them up in my new ones. I started over cause i figured a bunch of new things to add and a big branch out on one of my segments to speed things up.

I just ran into a problem trying to get a power bomb expansion in phendrana. I think it was in phendrana's edge. I got all the way up to the two floating platforms. I couldn't reach the second so that is as far as i got. How do you get up there. I must be missing something simple cause there is an artifact up there too but you need the plasma beam to get it. Is there a dash to some ledge im just not seeing. I really don't want to attempt a crazy hbjump if i don't have to.

edit: nevermind i just thought it was a lot further to the second platform than it really was. a double bomb jump worked fine. It just failed horribly on my first attempt i guess.

edit 2: I just added a couple more segments. I am up to 61% on video now. I also can't wait for you to start putting all this together in video superskeetbro. Ive never watched a video where a person is trying to scan everything as they go along.

SuperSkeetBro

2007-04-07 10:34:41 pm

i think i messed up on a few of the transport location names. NORTH EAST SOUTH WEST may be wrong.

PART 2
Transport to Tallon West
Twin fires tunnel
twin fires
north cure tunnel
scan-puddlespore
south core tunnel
magmoor workstation
scan-flying pirate
tank
tansport tunnel C
transport to phendrana south
save station magmoor B
transport to phendrana south
transport to magmoor south
south quarantine tunnel
quarantine cave
scan-thardus
spiderball
scan-research-spiderball tracks
south quarantine tunnel
tansport to magmoor south
save station magmoor B
HEAD TO TALLON
HEAD TO CHOZO
HEAD TO MAIN PLAZA
M.E.(Halfpipe)
HEAD TO RUINED FOUNTAIN
M.E.
HEAD TO DYNAMO
M.E.
HEAD TO FURNACE
crossway access west
crossway
Scan-chozo lore-infestation
scan-chozo lore-hatchlings shell
scan-chozo lore-worm
elder hall access
hall of the elders
scan-research-missile station
scan-chozo ghost
scan-chozo lore-hope
reflecting pool access
reflecting pool
antechamber
icebeam
refleecting pool
save station 3
transport to tallon east
transport to chozo east
transport tunnel c
overgrown cavern
M.E.
frigate crash site
waterfall cavern
landing site
HEAD TO MAGMOOR WEST
HEAD TO PHENDRANA SOUTH
transport access
frozen pike(dont fall all the way down)
pike access
research core
scan-metroid
(skip thermal goggles for now)
research core access
scan-ice beetle
research lab aether
scan-pirate data-metroid forces
scan-pirate data-metroid morphology
tank
M.E.
scan-pirate data-phazon infusion
scan-pirate data-meta ridley
scan-pirate data-metroid studies
aether lab entryway
east tower
control tower
west tower
west tower entrance
observatory
supermissile
savestation (forgot the actual name)
HEAD TO RESEARCH LAB HYDRA
M.E.
HEAD TO RUINED COURTYARD
quarantine access
scan-sentry drone
north quarantine tunnel
quarantine cave
HEAD TO RESEARCH CORE
thermal visor
HEAD TO FROZEN PIKE
frost cave access
frost cave
scan-glider
scan-hunter metroid
save station(forgot the name)
frost cave
upper edge tunnel
phendranas edge
scan-jelzap
lower edge tunnel
hunter cave
lake tunnel
gravity chamber
scan-aqua reaper
gravity suit
M.E.(if you can manage. can wait til after plasma)
chamber access
huner cave
hunter cave access
frozen pike
(after you climb back up to the ledge its easier to head to the save station in frost cave. this way if you fall back down in frozen pike its easier to get back up)
HEAD TO FROST CAVE SAVE STATION
HEAD BACK TO FROZEN PIKE
HEAD TO PHENDRANA SHORELINE
HEAD TO ICE RUINS EAST
M.E.(spiderball. if you didnt manage an hbj to get it earlier
HEAD BACK TO PHENDRANA SHORELINE
M.E. (spiderball)
transport to magmoor west
transport to chozo north
HEAD TO SUNCHAMBER
artifact of wild
HEAD TO ARBORETUM
HEAD TO MAIN PLAZA
M.E.(in the tree)
HEAD TO SAVE STATION 1
(this part could have been done much earlier for the wavebuster and the 2 M.E.s but artifact would have been really hard without the gravity suit, tho is possible to get all of the above)
HEAD TO RUINED SHRINE
M.E.(sandstone tunnel)
M.E.(top of halfpipe)
tower of light access
tower of light
scan-platted puffers
wavebuster
tower chamber
artifact of lifegiver
(this next part is to give an easy exit from phazon mines. you can even enter phazon from here if you wish but the cargo lift room is extremely hard)
HEAD TO TRANSPORT TO TALLON NORTH
HEAD TO FRIGATE CRASH SITE
frigate access tunnel
main ventilation shaft section C
main ventilation shaft section B
main ventilation shaft section A
Scan- tallon crab
reactor core
scan-aqua pirate
reactor access
savestation
reactor access
cargo freight lift to deck gamma
tank
BACKTRACK TO TRANSPORT TO CHOZO WEST
HEAD TO WATERY HALL
M.E.
HEAD TO CROSSWAY
M.E.
HEAD TO HALL OF THE ELDERS
tank(may have been done earlier if ice beam was achieved early and you could manage to get to the bombslot without spiderball)
HEAD TO REFLECTING POOL
transport access south
transport to tallon south
transport to chozo south
transport tunnel D
scan-seedling
great tree hall
great tree chamber
M.E.
great tree hall
(i usually backtrack to a save point as this M.E. was hard)
(this next part is to collect the rest of the items in the crashed frigate before heading into phazon mine. you can save this till you leave phazon if you wish)
Hydro access tunnel
tank
connection elevator to deck beta
scan-aqua sac
deck beta conduit hall
biotech research area 1
deck beta securty hall
biohazard countainment
scan-aqua drone
M.E.
BACKTRACK TO GREAT TREE HALL
transport tunnel E
transport to phazon east
transport to tallon south
quarry access
main quarry
M.E.
scan-mega turrets
save station mines A
main quarry
security access A
Mine security station
scan-wavetroopers
security access B
elite research
scan-pirate data-elite pirates
scan-power troopers
M.E.
research Access
ore processing
Elevator access A
Elite control Access
M.E.
Elite control
Scan-elite pirate
scan-pirate data-hunter
scan-pirate data-metroid prime
scan-pirate data-hunter weapons
scan-ice troopers
scan-pirate data-chozo ghosts
scan-pirate data-prime breach
scan-pirate data-chozo studies
scan-pirate data-prime mutation
scan-pirate data-chozo artifacts
ventilation
omega research
scan-omega pirate
dynam access
central dynamo
powerbombs
save station mines B
central dynamo
(this next route can be save when you have the xray visor so its easier. also if you want to wait til after the plasma beam is achieved you dont have to make the ridiculously hard DBJ from the invisible moving platform twice, as the jump is required when going through the plasma door in metroid quarantineA.also after the forcefield is let down metroids will spawn in other areas of the game)
quarantine access A
metroid quarantine A
M.E.
BACKTRACK TO CENTRAL DYNAMO
HEAD TO OMEGA RESEARCH
map station mines
HEAD TO VENTILATION SHAFT
tank
HEAD TO ELITE CONTROL
(another optional route. this will also be alot easier with xray visor)
maintenance tunnel
phazon processing center
M.E.
BACKTRACK TO ELITE CONTROL
BACK TRACK TO ORE PROCESSING
storage depot A
Grapple beam
ore processing
scan-research-grapple point
HEAD TO ELITE RESEARCH
scan-phazon elite
artifact of warrior
HEAD TO SECURITY ACCESS A
M.E.
HEAD TO SAVE STATION MINES A
HEAD TO TRANSPORT TO TALLON SOUTH
transport to phazon mines east
HEAD TO GREAT TREE HALL
BACKTRACK THROUGH THE CRASHED FRIGATE
frigate crash site
M.E.
HEAD TO TRANSPORT TO CHOZO WEST
transpor to tallon north
HEAD TO MAIN PLAZA
(its possible to get the grapple M.E. now to possibley reduce a very small amount of time but its almost not worth it as have to travel around for other stuff anyways)
HEAD TO RUINED FOUNTAIN
meditation fountain
magma pool
P.B.E
scan-chozo lore-newborn
training chamber access
M.E.
training chamber
tank
piston tunnel
main plaza
M.E.(grapple)
HEAD TO FURNACE
M.E.
HEAD TO TRANSPORT TO TALLON SOUTH
transport to chozo south
HEAD TO GREAT TREE HALL
life grove Tunnel
M.E.
Life grove
xray visor
artifact of chozo
(if your playing in PAL dont kill the chozo as a combat dash is your only means of escaping life grove)
HEAD TO TRANSPORT TO CHOZO SOUTH
transport to tallon south
HEAD TO TRANSPORT TO TALLON EAST
HEAD TO LANDING SITE
(this next spot could have been achieved right from the start. in fact it can wait til the end of the game. but if you just cant manage to get the plasma beam and you give up then at least do this for a lil more percentage and extra scans)
temple hall
temple security station
scan-pirate data-artifact site
artifact temple
scan-chozo lore-statuary
scan-chozo lore-binding
artifact of truth
BACKTRACK TO LANDING SITE
HEAD TO ROOTCAVE
(M.E. if possible. even if it is you may want to wait until after plasma is aquire because there is another M.E. through the plasma door wich requires the same INSANELY HARD ladder hbj's, yes more than one. done waste your time until you can get both as this will be the hardest pickup to accomplish. even harder than the plasma beam.)
HEAD TO MAGMOOR EAST
transport to tallon west
HEAD TO STORAGE TUNNEL
ice spreader
monitor station
warriorshrine
artifact of strength
Fiery shores
P.B.E
HEAD TO SAVE STATION MAGMOOR B
HEAD TO TRANSPORT TO PHENDRANA SOUTH
transport to magmoor south
HEAD TO QUARANTINE CAVE
quarantine monitor
M.E.
HEAD TO FROST CAVE
M.E.
frost cave save station
HEAD TO PHENDRANA EDGE
security cave
P.B.E
phendrana edge(dont fall to the bottom
HEAD TO SAVE STATION C
HEAD TO TRANSPORT TO MAGMOOR CAVERNS SOUTH
HEAD TO GEOTHERMAL CORE
plasma beam
good luck with this one :)

i missed a M.E. somewhere in this route but i dont know where. anybody know?
EDIT: i found it. the halfpipe M.E. in ruined shrine. i didnt even remember an m.e. being there.

also i forgot to scan a powerbomb ammo. i didnt know where the first spawn point for one was so i left it out for now. with this route you will have 80% assuming you dont grab the two M.E.'s from gravity chamber and root cave. As soon as i manage to get the plasma beam i will continue this

i think i messed up on a few of the transport location names. NORTH EAST SOUTH WEST may be wrong.

PART 2
Transport to Tallon West
Twin fires tunnel
twin fires
north cure tunnel
   scan-puddlespore
south core tunnel
magmoor workstation
   scan-flying pirate
   tank
tansport tunnel C
transport to phendrana south
save station magmoor B
transport to phendrana south
transport to magmoor south
south quarantine tunnel
quarantine cave
   scan-thardus
   spiderball
   scan-research-spiderball tracks
south quarantine tunnel
tansport to magmoor south
save station magmoor B
HEAD TO TALLON
HEAD TO CHOZO
HEAD TO MAIN PLAZA
   M.E.(Halfpipe)
HEAD TO  RUINED FOUNTAIN
   M.E.
HEAD TO DYNAMO
   M.E.
HEAD TO FURNACE
crossway access west
crossway
   Scan-chozo lore-infestation
   scan-chozo lore-hatchlings shell
   scan-chozo lore-worm
elder hall access
hall of the elders
   scan-research-missile station
   scan-chozo ghost
   scan-chozo lore-hope
reflecting pool access
reflecting pool
antechamber
   icebeam
refleecting pool
save station 3
transport to tallon east
transport to chozo east
transport tunnel c
overgrown cavern
   M.E.
frigate crash site
waterfall cavern
landing site
HEAD TO MAGMOOR WEST
HEAD TO PHENDRANA SOUTH
transport access
frozen pike(dont fall all the way down)
pike access
research core
   scan-metroid
(skip thermal goggles for now)
research core access
   scan-ice beetle
research lab aether
   scan-pirate data-metroid forces
   scan-pirate data-metroid morphology
   tank
   M.E.
   scan-pirate data-phazon infusion
   scan-pirate data-meta ridley
   scan-pirate data-metroid studies
aether lab entryway
east tower
control tower
west tower
west tower entrance
observatory
   supermissile
savestation (forgot the actual name)
HEAD TO RESEARCH LAB HYDRA
   M.E.
HEAD TO RUINED COURTYARD
quarantine access
  scan-sentry drone
north quarantine tunnel
quarantine cave
HEAD TO RESEARCH CORE
   thermal visor
HEAD TO FROZEN PIKE
frost cave access
frost cave
   scan-glider
   scan-hunter metroid
save station(forgot the name)
frost cave
upper edge tunnel
phendranas edge
   scan-jelzap
lower edge tunnel
hunter cave
lake tunnel
gravity chamber
   scan-aqua reaper
   gravity suit
   M.E.(if you can manage. can wait til after plasma)
chamber access
huner cave
hunter cave access
frozen pike
(after you climb back up to the ledge its easier to head to the save station in frost cave. this way if you fall back down in frozen pike its easier to get back up)
HEAD TO FROST CAVE SAVE STATION
HEAD BACK TO FROZEN PIKE
HEAD TO PHENDRANA SHORELINE
HEAD TO ICE RUINS EAST
   M.E.(spiderball. if you didnt manage an hbj to get it earlier
HEAD BACK TO PHENDRANA  SHORELINE
  M.E. (spiderball)
transport to magmoor west
transport to chozo north
HEAD TO SUNCHAMBER
   artifact of wild
HEAD TO ARBORETUM
HEAD TO MAIN PLAZA
   M.E.(in the tree)
HEAD TO SAVE STATION 1
(this part could have been done much earlier for the wavebuster and the 2 M.E.s but artifact would have been really hard without the gravity suit, tho is possible to get all of the above)
HEAD TO RUINED SHRINE
   M.E.(sandstone tunnel)
   M.E.(top of halfpipe)
tower of light access
tower of light
   scan-platted puffers
   wavebuster
tower chamber
   artifact of lifegiver
(this next part is to give an easy exit from phazon mines. you can even enter phazon from here if you wish but the cargo lift room is extremely hard)
HEAD TO TRANSPORT TO TALLON NORTH
HEAD TO FRIGATE CRASH SITE
frigate access tunnel
main ventilation shaft section C
main ventilation shaft section B
main ventilation shaft section A
   Scan- tallon crab
reactor core
   scan-aqua pirate
reactor access
savestation
reactor access
cargo freight lift to deck gamma
   tank
BACKTRACK TO TRANSPORT TO CHOZO WEST
HEAD TO WATERY HALL
   M.E.
HEAD TO CROSSWAY
   M.E.
HEAD TO HALL OF THE ELDERS
   tank(may have been done earlier if ice beam was achieved early and you could manage to get to the bombslot without spiderball)
HEAD TO REFLECTING POOL
transport access south
transport to tallon south
transport to chozo south
transport tunnel D
   scan-seedling
great tree hall
great tree chamber
   M.E.
great tree hall
(i usually backtrack to a save point as this M.E. was hard)
(this next part is to collect the rest of the items in the crashed frigate before heading into phazon mine. you can save this till you leave phazon if you wish)
Hydro access tunnel
   tank
connection elevator to deck beta
   scan-aqua sac
deck beta conduit hall
biotech research area 1
deck beta securty hall
biohazard countainment
   scan-aqua drone
   M.E.
BACKTRACK TO GREAT TREE HALL
transport tunnel E
transport to phazon east
transport to tallon south
quarry access
main quarry
   M.E.
   scan-mega turrets
save station mines A
main quarry
security access A
Mine security station
   scan-wavetroopers
security access B
elite research
   scan-pirate data-elite pirates
   scan-power troopers
   M.E.
research Access
ore processing
Elevator access A
Elite control Access
   M.E.
Elite control
   Scan-elite pirate
   scan-pirate data-hunter
   scan-pirate data-metroid prime
   scan-pirate data-hunter weapons
   scan-ice troopers
   scan-pirate data-chozo ghosts
   scan-pirate data-prime breach
   scan-pirate data-chozo studies
   scan-pirate data-prime mutation
   scan-pirate data-chozo artifacts
ventilation
omega research
   scan-omega pirate
dynam access
central dynamo
   powerbombs
save station mines B
central dynamo
(this next route can be save when you have the xray visor so its easier. also if you want to wait til after the plasma beam is achieved you dont have to make the ridiculously hard DBJ from the invisible moving platform twice, as the jump is required when going through the plasma door in metroid quarantineA.also after the forcefield is let down metroids will spawn in other areas of the game)
quarantine access A
metroid quarantine A
   M.E.
BACKTRACK TO CENTRAL DYNAMO
HEAD TO OMEGA RESEARCH
map station mines
HEAD TO VENTILATION SHAFT
   tank
HEAD TO ELITE CONTROL
(another optional route. this will also be alot easier with xray visor)
maintenance tunnel
phazon processing center
   M.E.
BACKTRACK TO ELITE CONTROL
BACK TRACK TO ORE PROCESSING
storage depot A
   Grapple beam
ore processing
   scan-research-grapple point
HEAD TO ELITE RESEARCH
   scan-phazon elite
   artifact of warrior
HEAD TO SECURITY ACCESS A
   M.E.
HEAD TO SAVE STATION MINES A
HEAD TO TRANSPORT TO TALLON SOUTH
transport to phazon mines east
HEAD TO GREAT TREE HALL
BACKTRACK THROUGH THE CRASHED FRIGATE
frigate crash site
   M.E.
HEAD TO TRANSPORT TO CHOZO WEST
transpor to tallon north
HEAD TO MAIN PLAZA
(its possible to get the grapple M.E. now to possibley reduce a very small amount of time but its almost not worth it as have to travel around for other stuff anyways)
HEAD TO RUINED FOUNTAIN
meditation fountain
magma pool
   P.B.E
   scan-chozo lore-newborn
training chamber access
   M.E.
training chamber
   tank
piston tunnel
main plaza
   M.E.(grapple)
HEAD TO FURNACE
   M.E.
HEAD TO TRANSPORT TO TALLON SOUTH
transport to chozo south
HEAD TO GREAT TREE HALL
life grove Tunnel
   M.E.
Life grove
   xray visor
   artifact of chozo
(if your playing in PAL dont kill the chozo as a combat dash is your only means of escaping life grove)
HEAD TO TRANSPORT TO CHOZO SOUTH
transport to tallon south
HEAD TO TRANSPORT TO TALLON EAST
HEAD TO LANDING SITE
(this next spot could have been achieved right from the start. in fact it can wait til the end of the game. but if you just cant manage to get the plasma beam and you give up then at least do this for a lil more percentage and extra scans)
temple hall
temple security station
   scan-pirate data-artifact site
artifact temple
   scan-chozo lore-statuary
   scan-chozo lore-binding
   artifact of truth
BACKTRACK TO LANDING SITE
HEAD TO ROOTCAVE
   (M.E. if possible. even if it is you may want to wait until after plasma is aquire because there is another M.E. through the plasma door wich requires the same INSANELY HARD ladder hbj's, yes more than one. done waste your time until you can get both as this will be the hardest pickup to accomplish. even harder than the plasma beam.)
HEAD TO MAGMOOR EAST
transport to tallon west
HEAD TO STORAGE TUNNEL
   ice spreader
monitor station
warriorshrine
   artifact of strength
Fiery shores
   P.B.E
HEAD TO SAVE STATION MAGMOOR B
HEAD TO TRANSPORT TO PHENDRANA SOUTH
transport to magmoor south
HEAD TO QUARANTINE CAVE
quarantine monitor
   M.E.
HEAD TO FROST CAVE
   M.E.
frost cave save station
HEAD TO PHENDRANA EDGE
security cave
   P.B.E
phendrana edge(dont fall to the bottom
HEAD TO SAVE STATION C
HEAD TO TRANSPORT TO MAGMOOR CAVERNS SOUTH
HEAD TO GEOTHERMAL CORE
   plasma beam 
good luck with this one :)

i missed a M.E. somewhere in this route but i dont know where. anybody know?
EDIT: i found it. the halfpipe M.E. in ruined shrine. i didnt even remember an m.e. being there.

also i forgot to scan a powerbomb ammo. i didnt know where the first spawn point for one was so i left it out for now. with this route you will have 80% assuming you dont grab the two M.E.'s from gravity chamber and root cave.  As soon as i manage to get the plasma beam i will continue this

craztad

2007-04-09 02:23:48 pm

kyupi+yakisoba=win

Hey i was just wondering if anyone has gotten the artifact in the control tower (i think that is what its called) area where you shoot the tower with a missle to make it fall? I can bomb jump up to a little ledge and get a missle over the barrier but have yet to actually hit the spot i need to make the tower fall. Im getting so close. i don't think i see superskeetbro getting it in his route so maybe its not possible without plasma beam but im gonna keep trying.

Edit: ive been doing some testing in geo core and if you get the grapple beam, the two enemies in the lava disappear so by having the grapple beam doesn't it make it impossible to reach the last platform due to no point to dash from?

SuperSkeetBro

2007-04-11 08:40:58 pm

as for the control tower, i was not able to get it. not to say its impossible. i didnt try too hard on it but thats not to say its impossible. i wasnt even able to get missiles past the barrier(aside from shooting WAAAY at the top of the tower). you will have to explain that a bit. how close are your missiles? maybe some kinda secret world will do the trick, besides the current discovered secret world discovered as it needs the tower to be crashed already anyways.

as far as geothermal core......well i wasnt sure if the scan dash was required to make that jump. it just looked like an easier way but i dont know yet. i can prolly go get the boots and then check how close a DBJ it would be.

SABERinBLUE

2007-04-11 09:36:19 pm

Cook of the Sea

Whoa, those room lists are super useful.

craztad

2007-04-11 09:56:37 pm

kyupi+yakisoba=win

You know what, all this homework is really getting to me, when i was shooting at the tower i was shooting at the wrong tower. I don't know how or when i got turned around when i was trying to make that tower fall but im starting to think i need to start getting more sleep. Sorry about that. I kind of think its impossible now cause i haven't gotten close now that im shooting at the right tower.

Sometimes i wish i had an actionreplay. In my lastest attempts at geocore i haven't made the hjump but im starting to think maybe a slightly angled ujump with an instant unmorph jump up to the platform directly above may be easier if it is possible.
(instant unmorph jump)
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ok really bad drawing but i hope someone understands what i mean. Im gonna try it later but for now im way too busy.

MR.X

2007-04-12 07:59:56 am

Quote from craztad:

Edit: ive been doing some testing in geo core and if you get the grapple beam, the two enemies in the lava disappear so by having the grapple beam doesn't it make it impossible to reach the last platform due to no point to dash from?

Holy shit you´re right! Too bad i already have gotten it.

mod edit: don't avoid the censor.