maximum % no SJ run

2007-02-28 04:34:33 pm

hey your online right now. whats your AIM mine is the same as here gimme an IM.

2007-03-01 08:08:14 am

My AIM is meerkatguitarist, a result of a picture a friend showed me, lol. I'll add you now. I mostly use MSN though, so sometimes I forget to sign in to AIM, just a little warning there.

I'm gonna get that wallTBJ done in hall of elders today if it kills me, and then I'll snatch the ice beam, and go get Thardus from the back entrance to his room with a bit of luck. After I was trying to get through Phendrana Shorelines to the Ice Temple completely the wrong way, I'm quite proud of the fact that I was attempting to get through Hall of Elders the right way yesterday ,before I checked the guide, cos I wasn't sure if I was going the right way or not. But I was, so it's all good :D

SuperSkeetBro

2007-03-01 02:13:35 pm

yeah i remember that walll TBJ. anytime you fail you pretty much fall all way back down as your doing the technique on a 5 square inch area. i find it amazing how so many times throughout this challenge the success of solving a room comes down to the tiniest thing. like that room for example. had they decided to make the ledge just a tiny bit shorter you couldnt solve that room. or had they decided to put one more set of bars up in the morphball path. its as if the game designers knew about all the techniques to move around SJless

Demonic18

2007-03-01 05:38:09 pm

I had wondered about that myself, because of how tight some of the SBs in the game are, but I'm told they were definitely unintentional.

On a side note, I'll be attepting that area again shortly, hopefully I'll make it this time Rolling Eyes

SuperSkeetBro

2007-03-01 07:43:29 pm

make sure you blow out the glass once your up there. that way the next time you go through there you just need to DBJ through the glass instead....of course once you have the ice beam i believe you dont need any tricks. you might also need spiderball i dont remember.

JaggerG

2007-03-02 05:32:59 am

Shifty Leader

That M2k2 guy

Quote from SuperSkeetBro:

had they decided to make the ledge just a tiny bit shorter you couldnt solve that room. or had they decided to put one more set of bars up in the morphball path. its as if the game designers knew about all the techniques to move around SJless

My guess is they straight up took the exact height of the morph ball and made the gap exactly that big, forgetting about possible clipping bugs. Perhaps they also realized you could TBJ, so they did some cheap, sloppy measurements to try to prevent you from getting through there using it.

nate

2007-03-02 11:07:22 am

i can't remember if tbj was discovered independently or not. iirc it was not ...

StefanvanDijke

2007-03-02 03:06:00 pm

yo SuperSkeetBro. Are you the same guy from the Mario Kart double dash forums, the Bowser Castle specialist?

Could you give a short list of witch items stil have to be solved, I might give it a try? Oh btw, for geo core to get to the first platform without spacejump, instead of using the puddle spore you can also dashjump from the platform were you normaly use the grapplebeam. Its sort of a ghetto-dashjump.

So, I should know this but is it possible to beat the game without spacejump, picking up some other items? Anyway, Good luck with this no spacejump thing.

bartendorsparky

2007-03-02 03:20:22 pm

always move fast

technically, the only "unrequired" item you need when skipping space jump is boost ball.

as far as what can humanly be done though, i'd say you should at least pick up spider ball as well, for geo core.

craztad

2007-03-02 03:34:48 pm

kyupi+yakisoba=win

Ive kind of always wondered how hard it would really be to climb up that big room before the metroid prime battle. Ive never tried it cause i hate the metroids in that room. I imagine that a lot of dbj unmorphs would be used. Has anyone actually ever climbed that room without space jump.

SuperSkeetBro

2007-03-02 04:39:28 pm

STEFAN HOLY CRAP DUDE!!! yeah its me. who else would have this awesome name! good to see a familiar face on these boards as i just joined almost 2 weeks ago. anyways there is a list of the unsolved items earlier in this thread, not including after getting the plasma beam.

craztad- i think i tried really briefly some of the jumps and lets just say one or two of these will need maximum distance and i think more height that scandashing can acheive. it will be extremely hard but maybe possible. like i said i didnt spend much time on it but was obvios it would be insane. also the fact the there is NOTHING close to any of the platforms will make other possibilities very limited.

bartendersparky- i suddenly noticed the other day you have ALOT more SJless videos up than when i originally watch the nsj geo core vid. is this due to this thread :) also eventually would you mind making a compilation of these vids plus more to show from beginning to end of the SJless walkthrough?

TO EVERYONE: The path that i follow in this walkthrough leaves plasma as the last upgrade (aside from flamethrower and phazon suit). so grapplebeam spiderball and boostball will be achieved by the time you need it. just bypass it the first time through when entering the backdoor to phazon mines. after you get what you need in phazon mines exit and go try for the plasma beam.

STEFAN HOLY CRAP DUDE!!! yeah its me. who else would have this awesome name! good to see a familiar face on these boards as i just joined  almost 2 weeks ago. anyways there is a list of the unsolved items earlier in this thread, not including after getting the plasma beam.

craztad- i think i tried really briefly some of the jumps and lets just say one or two of these will need maximum distance and i think more height that scandashing can acheive. it will be extremely hard but maybe possible. like i said i didnt spend much time on it but was obvios it would be insane. also the fact the there is NOTHING close to any of the platforms will make other possibilities very limited.

bartendersparky- i suddenly noticed the other day you have ALOT more SJless videos up than when i originally watch the nsj geo core vid. is this due to this thread :) also eventually would you mind making a compilation of these vids plus more to show from beginning to end of the SJless walkthrough?

TO EVERYONE: The path that i follow in this walkthrough leaves plasma as the last upgrade (aside from flamethrower and phazon suit). so grapplebeam spiderball and boostball will be achieved by the time you need it. just bypass it the first time through when entering the backdoor to phazon mines. after you get what you need in phazon mines exit and go try for the plasma beam.

bartendorsparky

2007-03-02 05:04:56 pm

always move fast

they're for an eventual update of the site. i'm stuck at the geo hbj now so it may be awhile for any more to get up...

SuperSkeetBro

2007-03-02 07:47:00 pm

what do u mean an update for the site? so u say your stuck at geocore. does that mean you already got all the other ME and PBE's and so on. if not you can go out and make vids of you getting all the other stuff.

craztad

2007-03-03 12:06:39 am

kyupi+yakisoba=win

Ya i was tryin to get up the platforms in the root cave. Its very annoying cause the platforms are invisible. Ive been trying to latter hbj unmorph up to the third invisible platform and i think i have been coming pretty close. I know i keep hitting the platform but how much more height i need i don't really know. I have yet to get a really great hbj yet so it may still very well be possible. I know once you get up to that platform you can easily get the ME behind the vines but to get to the plasma door could be a doozy if you make it that far. Im thinking a scan dash off an enemy below is the best bet but i haven't got it to work yet.

Demonic18

2007-03-03 09:02:14 am

Still stuck in the damn blasted hall of elders, I'm so bad at this bomb jump. So many times I've hit the very edge now, I've started making feral sounds at the screen every time I get that close and fail. I've made over 3 hours worth of attempts now, I'm just glad I only have to do it once. I'm tempted to leave and go straight for Thardus, but that would mean returning to Chozo Ruins for the ice beam before I can get the gravity suit. I've never cursed a room in any game as much as this, although that might change once I get to Geo core (eventually).

StefanvanDijke

2007-03-03 03:24:46 pm

Quote from SuperSkeetBro:

what do u mean an update for the site? so u say your stuck at geocore. does that mean you already got all the other ME and PBE's and so on. if not you can go out and make vids of you getting all the other stuff.

Well the site shows all possible item skips, so if the spacejump can be skipped it should be on the side as well. I think sparky's doing all the tricks needed to skip the spacejump and not grabbing all missle expansions and energy tanks.

btw, for great tree hall, instead of doing a dash from the invisible platform you can bombjumb on the enemy vine and then hbj or dbj from that towards the door. You take some damage but not much. As for the phazon mines, is it hard to get out of there if you have the spiderball, grapple beam and gravity?

iowa

2007-03-03 04:28:26 pm

Sparky, I watched your main quary shortcut without sj video on youtube and I don't understand why you did all those bomb jumps. it sure is impressive but I managed to reach the door by just scan dashing like you would in a run with sj, and on my first try.

anyway, I wanted to try a no sj run as well and now I'm stuck in phason processing center, the big room right before the elevator to magmoor caverns after you get the power bomb. how am I supposed to get to the top without spider ball? I really can't see a way to do it or even getting close but there must be one. I just hope it doesn't require some very hard bomb jumps as I suck at these.

bartendorsparky

2007-03-03 08:41:02 pm

always move fast

haha lame. i tried a few times and must've figured it couldn't be done.

ppc:

MR.X

2007-03-04 12:33:01 pm

Bartendorsparky, it´s awesome you can get the plasma beam without space jump at all, but that you do it without Spider Ball is really awesome! And the Phazon Processing Center video is a great help for me, thank you!

kmstreet64

2007-03-04 12:34:54 pm

I'm amazed that you got those things, bartendorsparky, but I can't seem to get them myself. practice makes perfect, though.

bartendorsparky

2007-03-04 01:24:18 pm

always move fast

don't think me making these videos makes me any good. they're almost all done with action replay (so i can restart right away if i mess up) and are sometimes shot in segments (in the ppc video, the second part starts after the first bombjump near the top of the room). if this were a real run i was doing, i'd likely be having just as much trouble as ya'll.

iowa

2007-03-04 01:41:06 pm

Thanks for the video. I tried and it's indeed hard... first time I get troubles without sj, actually. I don't know why I didn't get the spider ball before going to phason mines, it would have been much easier and I will need it for geocore anyway.

MR.X

2007-03-04 01:47:35 pm

Quote from iowa:

Thanks for the video. I . I don't now why I didn't get the spider ball before going to phason mines, it would have been much easier and I will need it for geocore anyway.

It indeed is unfair you can´t skip the sj( at least if you skip the spider ball too...) on PAL because of geo core where you can´t land on the metal line and you can´t scan dash... can it really not be done on PAL???

bartendorsparky

2007-03-04 02:00:43 pm

always move fast

well i'm by no means sure, but i imagine you can dash from the puddle spore in a similar fashion.

MR.X

2007-03-04 02:36:37 pm

Doesn´t even sound stupid. Guess someone should try it( not me, i can´t HBJ!)