maximum % no SJ run

2007-03-10 12:06:23 pm

i did phazon core w/o using hbj and im sure that its possible to get the plasma with using solr frenzy method, i have a video but no description so its hard to do..

SuperSkeetBro

2007-03-10 04:13:17 pm

recit-wasnt solar frenzy just the effect of unmorphing after a bombjump. if so then yeah you need it but it needs to be after an hbj in order to get the plasma beam. solar frenzy alone will not do the trick. also how did you manage phazon core without SJ. i hope you werent thinking phazon processing cause i know you dont need hbj for that. phazon core is the big room just before metroid prime

Demonic18

2007-03-10 05:24:56 pm

Is there any way to get the pirate to smash the glass in pirate labs in Phendrana? or is it just a matter of luck? cos I spent some time travelling between research core and that room to try and get the glass to smash, and it didn't work at all. Is there anything I need to do in particular? I can't remember my percent, but I think it's low 20s. Makes me feel bad having to ask for help so much, but I need it...

It was annoying getting back up frozen pike once, and now I've gotta do it a 2nd time, because I'm starting in the water, then I climb up to the first door, go 2 rooms away to bring the flying pirates back, combat-dash off one, kill them, then carry on bomb jumping my way up. And if I fall, which I often did, I've gotta start over, such a pain.

And in reference to Mr X's post yesterday about observatory, to get to the more difficult bomb slot, no tbj's are necessary, only dbj unmorphs, they just have to be very good ones.

recit0

2007-03-10 05:46:57 pm

sorry, i thought it was phazong progressive... but i tried to reach the second spiner with using 4 bomb in row( i don't know the name if its not solf frenzy), when you do it perfectly you hit whit your head spiner .

Demonic do you have the Thermal Visor if yes you cant break the glass.

I have now 80 % too w/o hbj and i know an easy M.E. that i will get soon so i will beat the reccord

1 question skeetbro did u use infinite boost for your 80 % if not wow! because for my self yes and thats why i will have 81%

MR.X

2007-03-11 10:09:12 am

Well, i currently could get- compared to SuperSkeetBro- 83 % because i got 3% with infinite boost:

Artifact of Sun
Missile Expansion in Phendrana Shorelines
Missile Expansion in Ice Ruins East

I unluckily have only 48% at the moment.

Demonic18

2007-03-11 12:59:39 pm

Quote from recit0:

Demonic do you have the Thermal Visor if yes you cant break the glass.

I did have, but I didn't return to the save room after getting it, so I don't any more. So I'll have to go break the glass, then go get the visor, then go back to that room. Thanks Recit.

SuperSkeetBro

2007-03-11 05:03:38 pm

recit-i have NEVER used the infinite boost. i actually intend to get everything without it. the only reason i asked wich items can be achieved this way is for the items that simply cannot be solved. or maybe for those who dont want to go through that evil geocore. I have no problem using secret world though but i have never needed to use them. i was thinking the tank in transport access may have been possible through secret worlds but if i can get the plasma beam i dont need to go that route.

demonic-yeah recit is right. you have to wait til after the glass breaks to get thermal visor. also about frozen pike. there is an easier method. or so i think. starting from the bottom in the water. make your way up to the bridge and across it. DBJ to the lil alcove. from here you can either do a DBJ that is difficult to unmorph from because of the ceiling or you can do a normal jump while holding L and pressed against the wall. i find this easier than the DBJ but it must be perfect. you have to use the wall to kinda push you up that tiny extra bit. from here just DBJ to the next two ledges. once your on the ledge with the purple door go through it and find yourway to the save station next to the big room. if you fall in frozen pike i find it easier to get back up to this point from the save station 2 or 3 rooms over. from the save station jump down and go into morphball i usually start the DBJ where im alligned with the two lights that are on the ground. from the next ledge jump from the right corner closest to you(as the player). angle it so your DBJ goes slightly outwards towards the middle of the room. agian not really hard but i thougth id explain. from here make your way to frozen pike. you can either go your method and scan dash from the pirates (or kill the pirates and look up and lock onto the floating platform. i could never get it to work this way but gamefaq tells you this method) and DBJ your way back up the rest of the ledges OR........just do a DBJ straight forward from the ledge onto a little branch that stick out of the bridge. usually takes me 2 or 3 attempts. from here turn 90 degrees to your right and walk a few steps forward. hold L and jump while pressed against the bridge its not too hard to make it up but on occasion you may slip back down to the branch or completely of the bridge entirely. from here you can go back into the room with the thermal visor.

recit-i have NEVER used the infinite boost. i actually intend to get everything without it. the only reason i asked wich items can be achieved this way is for the items that simply cannot be solved. or maybe for those who dont want to go through that evil geocore.  I have no problem using secret world though but i have never needed to use them. i was thinking the tank in transport access may have been possible through secret worlds but if i can get the plasma beam i dont need to go that route.

demonic-yeah recit is right. you have to wait til after the glass breaks to get thermal visor. also about frozen pike. there is an easier method. or so i think.  starting from the bottom in the water. make your way up to the bridge and across it. DBJ to the lil alcove. from here you can either do a DBJ that is difficult to unmorph from because of the ceiling or you can do a normal jump while holding L and pressed against the wall. i find this easier than the DBJ but it must be perfect. you have to use the wall to kinda push you up that tiny extra bit. from here just DBJ to the next two ledges. once your on the ledge with the purple door go through it and find yourway to the save station next to the big room. if you fall in frozen pike i find it easier to get back up to this point from the save station 2 or 3 rooms over. from the save station jump down and go into morphball i usually start the DBJ where im alligned with the two lights that are on the ground. from the next ledge jump from the right corner closest to you(as the player). angle it so your DBJ goes slightly outwards towards the middle of the room. agian not really hard but i thougth id explain. from here make your way to frozen pike. you can either go your method and scan dash from the pirates (or kill the pirates and look up and lock onto the floating platform. i could never get it to work this way but gamefaq tells you this method) and DBJ your way back up the rest of the ledges OR........just do a DBJ straight forward from the ledge onto a little branch that stick out of the bridge. usually takes me 2 or 3 attempts. from here turn 90 degrees to your right and walk a few steps forward. hold L and jump while pressed against the bridge its not too hard to make it up but on occasion you may slip back down to the branch or completely of the bridge entirely. from here you can go back into the room with the thermal visor.

recit0

2007-03-11 06:57:16 pm

i dont understand why, but im not able to get the wave buster. Im n'ot able to jump on the 5th platform. Do you guys have any tip for me ?

MR.X

2007-03-12 01:18:14 pm

Quote from recit0:

i dont understand why, but im not able to get the wave buster. Im n'ot able to jump on the 5th platform. Do you guys have any tip for me ?

1. Lay the last bomb of your dbj slighty, but really only VERY slighty below the peak of your jump. Not lower not higher. And, go to the end of the platform you stand on.( Sorry, my english is bad!)

craztad

2007-03-12 02:44:51 pm

kyupi+yakisoba=win

Hey superskeetbro are you making videos of the entire route of items you have gotten or do you plan on doing that kind of thing once you figure out how to get all you can?

Demonic18

2007-03-12 04:16:15 pm

34% saved near cargo freight lift to deck gamma.

is it possible to get through the frigate without SJ or do I have to bomb jump over the bars in great tree hall? I spent some time trying to climb cargo freight lift to deck gamma, and I've managed to get just past the second vine, but can't get any further.

Lazylen

(user is banned)

2007-03-12 04:36:41 pm

Quote from Demonic18:

34% saved near cargo freight lift to deck gamma.

is it possible to get through the frigate without SJ or do I have to bomb jump over the bars in great tree hall? I spent some time trying to climb cargo freight lift to deck gamma, and I've managed to get just past the second vine, but can't get any further.

as long as you have the gravity suit, i think it should be possible.

its impossible to get through w/o the gravity suit (you get stuck in a tube right at the end).

i dont know if it is possible with no SJ but the gravity suit, but im pretty sure that it should be (as long as you don't fall to the bottom of the Energy Core or whatever the huge room is).

I hate jumping the bars in GTH, but apparently its easier the more you do it (though i got it within 20 minutes my first time and now i still cant get it in an hour of trying).

MR.X

2007-03-13 01:52:00 am

Quote from Demonic18:

34% saved near cargo freight lift to deck gamma.

is it possible to get through the frigate without SJ or do I have to bomb jump over the bars in great tree hall? I spent some time trying to climb cargo freight lift to deck gamma, and I've managed to get just past the second vine, but can't get any further.

It is impossible, as you said i also managed to get past 2 vines, but fell down then. It MAY be possible, but it´s insanely difficult, you should go back to your gunship. It´s easier to get the items uderwater by entering from backwards.

Btw, my current %: 67%, 89% scans.

craztad

2007-03-13 11:48:08 am

kyupi+yakisoba=win

My current progress is 78%. Update on root cave, i have gotten a few very good lattered hbjumps and so far its a no go getting to that third invisible platform. It looks like its gonna have to be a secret world attempt which is probably easier anyways if you can find an area to get in a secret world without space jump.

MR.X

2007-03-13 02:34:47 pm

In Gathering Hall, there is a Missile Expansion in a door- how did you guys get it? Look at my own video:

Have you all been clever enough to dash jump off the bloodflower? Please give an answer.

And WHY THE HELL did no one say how hard it is to get out of Live Grove??? I one killed the Chozo Ghosts and GOT STUCK! You can´t reach the LAST platform where the morph ball tunnel is on! Except if you Dash Jump from the Ghosts! I once had to restart because of that!

recit0

2007-03-13 03:33:03 pm

in life grove you just need to scan dash the spinner for the artifact ( very easy)

SuperSkeetBro

2007-03-13 04:06:20 pm

ok well i just spent like 15 mintues ansering all the questions you all had and the stupid computer or website decided i wasnt logged in when i clicked submit even tho i aleady did sign in. so i lost everything i said and its time for me to go to school. i will try and repost in between one of my classes.

THEY ALL CAN BE DONE. Cargo freight lift. Wavebuster, and life grove (even without the chozoghost...in fact i prefer them gone)

o wait i dunno if root cave can craztad actually i doubt it can but ill get to that later. peice

craztad

2007-03-13 06:02:43 pm

kyupi+yakisoba=win

Great vid Mr. X. Did you do that in a file without the sj boots or a file with sjboots cause i found it a lot harder to make the dash without the boots. By having the boots you seem to have a little more height on single jumps and dashes from what ive noticed.

SuperSkeetBro

2007-03-13 07:21:34 pm

ok now im ready to respond

first off im glad to see everyboyd at all the interesting and fun parts of the game.

recit-the only tip i have for you is to wait til all 4 platted puffers are together and destroy them at once. besides that there are no paticluar tips to get up. just really good DBJ's. Mr. X posted a video earlier in the topic if you want to look that up

craztad-as of now i have not videotaped myself. once i am done i plan on going through the game once more with the SJ, only using them to jump back up from where iv fallen. i will edit the video so it only shows me going through without the boots. only the very hard rooms such as geo core will i tape my first time through (from here on out) because i dont want to have to ladder hbj EVER again, with or without the SJ. As far as using secret worlds for the root cave ME.....i dont think it can be done. the secret world discovered in this room requires getting all the way to the top where the plasma door is anyways. also you need the plasma beam to open the door and allow the camera to be inside the other room.

demonic-oh how i pitty you boy. I keep telling everybody to follow the route that the gamefaq walkthrough tells you. the elevator lift is prolly the 2nd or 3rd hardest rooms in the ENTIRE walkthrough. If you can still backtrack out of the frigate than do so. Im not sure if the door at the beginning will still let you out after saving and turning off the game. and if it does then i wonder if it will still open if you go backwards from phazon into the frigate. i know in my file i hadnt powered the door before going into phazon mines. i dont know if it would have mattered. well If they do stay open PERMANTLY then id power up the door, go forward and scan everything and then collect the tank at the bottom of the elevator shaft, backtrack and go through phazon mines via backdoor in magmoor. This way you have an easy exit from phazon. (i will check if that can be done). Otherwise i suppose it doesnt matter which way you go, just make damn well sure you scan and collect everything before climbing up the elevator shaft. you will never want to do this EVER again. i explained in detail earlier in this thread how to get through here. after the point you got to you have to jump up onto a nich in the corner and DBJ to the floating scrappile platform. do a long DBJ to the next. then a very annoying DBJ out of the water (leaving the water throws off the physics of the unmorphing process).

Mr.X-Nice video of gathering hall. craztad told me to use the sapsac to scan off of awhile back. only he killed the bloodflower and scan dashed to the invisible platform using the spider ball tracks. i knew you could get to the invisible platform with a DBJ and i thought about using the bloodflower to scan dash but i found it incredibly hard to make it to the invisible platform with the flower constantly knocking me off. i guess this room has 3 potential ways of going about solving it. it all depends on wich method you prefer. i still prefer climbing ontop of the lower bloodflower and DBJing off of it onto the ledge with the door. As for life grove, like recit says use the spinner to scan dash. from the beginning....get ontop of the rock and DBJ up to the ledge under the bridge. DBJ acros to the lil morphball wall thingy. make your way through that and onto the bridge. DBJ to the next bit of bridge above you.this next jump take ALOT of distance so try using a side view. once here you can either DBJ across or jump to a lil rock nich behind the water fall and then jump back up on the other side (you can reach this nich from the pillar that the artifact is in as well. wichever route you wanna take is up to you). from here do a few DBJs until your at the second to last ledge (besides the one where the morphball hole is). go into scan mode and and jump outwards and lock onto the spinner and then pull back onto the ledge. while holding the lock jump up onto a part of the tree sticking out and scan dash across....wait i just remembered that your PAL. ok yeah you need one chozo ghost to combat dash from. i feel sorry for you dude.

ok now im ready to respond

first off im glad to see everyboyd at all the interesting and fun parts of the game.

recit-the only tip i have for you is to wait til all 4 platted puffers are together and destroy them at once. besides that there are no paticluar tips to get up. just really good DBJ's. Mr. X posted a video earlier in the topic if you want to look that up

craztad-as of now i have not videotaped myself. once i am done i plan on going through the game once more with the SJ, only using them to jump back up from where iv fallen. i will edit the video so it only shows me going through without the boots. only the very hard rooms such as geo core will i tape my first time through (from here on out) because i dont want to have to ladder hbj EVER again, with or without the SJ.  As far as using secret worlds for the root cave ME.....i dont think it can be done. the secret world discovered in this room requires getting all the way to the top where the plasma door is anyways. also you need the plasma beam to open the door and allow the camera to be inside the other room.

demonic-oh how i pitty you boy. I keep telling everybody to follow the route that the gamefaq walkthrough tells you. the elevator lift is prolly the 2nd or 3rd hardest rooms in the ENTIRE walkthrough.  If you can still backtrack out of the frigate than do so. Im not sure if the door at the beginning will still let you out after saving and turning off the game. and if it does then i wonder if it will still open if you go backwards from phazon into the frigate. i know in my file i hadnt powered the door before going into phazon mines. i dont know if it would have mattered. well If they do stay open PERMANTLY then id power up the door, go forward and scan everything and then collect the tank at the bottom of the elevator shaft, backtrack and go through phazon mines via backdoor in magmoor.  This way you have an easy exit from phazon. (i will check if that can be done). Otherwise i suppose it doesnt matter which way you go, just make damn well sure you scan and collect everything before climbing up the elevator shaft. you will never want to do this EVER again. i explained in detail earlier in this thread how to get through here. after the point you got to you have to jump up onto a nich in the corner and DBJ to the floating scrappile platform. do a long DBJ to the next. then a very annoying DBJ out of the water (leaving the water throws off the physics of the unmorphing process).

Mr.X-Nice video of gathering hall. craztad told me to use the sapsac to scan off of awhile back. only he killed the bloodflower and scan dashed to the invisible platform using the spider ball tracks. i knew you could get to the invisible platform with a DBJ and i thought about using the bloodflower to scan dash but i found it incredibly hard to make it to the invisible platform with the flower constantly knocking me off. i guess this room has 3 potential ways of going about solving it. it all depends on wich method you prefer. i still prefer climbing ontop of the lower bloodflower and DBJing off of it onto the ledge with the door. As for life grove, like recit says use the spinner to scan dash. from the beginning....get ontop of the rock and DBJ up to the ledge under the bridge. DBJ acros to the lil morphball wall thingy. make your way through that and onto the bridge. DBJ to the next bit of bridge above you.this next jump take ALOT of distance so try using a side view. once here you can either DBJ across or jump to a lil rock nich behind the water fall and then jump back up on the other side (you can reach this nich from the pillar that the artifact is in as well. wichever route you wanna take is up to you). from here do a few DBJs until your at the second to last ledge (besides the one where the morphball hole is). go into scan mode and and jump outwards and lock onto the spinner and then pull back onto the ledge. while holding the lock jump up onto a part of the tree sticking out and scan dash across....wait i just remembered that your PAL. ok yeah you need one chozo ghost to combat dash from. i feel sorry for you dude.

StefanvanDijke

2007-03-13 08:26:12 pm

SuperSkeet, one thing though. You can't have spacejump when making those videos cos having spacejump gives a little bit extra hight to the first jump as well. Also the unmorph after a bombjump will bring you up higher with spacejump. Can use action replay for the bombjumps, if you have it.

craztad

2007-03-13 09:20:16 pm

kyupi+yakisoba=win

StefanvanDijke, thanks saying it again, i thought by having space jump it affected those things cause i got wave buster much easier when i had space jump boots and bomb jumped up there than i did without them. In a few parts ive had to make it a 3bomb jump by wasting one so i could get that extra little height. But ya so you might want to think about that superskreetbro.

And about the secret world to get to the root cave. I almost got an intsant unmorph jump in the landing site and almost again in the pathway a normal route would use to get sjb, this pathway is probably the best bet then you just have to figure out how to jump through the secret worlds to root cave and im assuming you can just get on the side of root cave and bomb your way up to the top so we just gotta get in a secret world. I will get these two ME's if it kills me. Someone with good bj unmorph jump skills should really give it a go cause mine are never very pretty.

SuperSkeetBro

2007-03-13 10:12:13 pm

stefan-oh thanx for letting me know that. are you for sure that it gives extra height tho? iv used my %100 file to solve ALOT of the rooms and the methods still worked when i tried them on my SJless file. if so then perhaps i will use the action replay code for the moonjump. hold down b and you float upwards. but that too might make things innacurate. only problem is my action replay stopped working one day. whenever i go into the code select menu it freezes up when the cartridge is plugged in. it unfreezes when i pull it out. only one time did it start working again but since then no luck. anybody know whats wrong or how to fix this?

craztad-you just spoke a lot of foreign language to me. were you implying that secret worlds from other rooms are connected to one another? meaning if i jumped out of the landing site room i could land in root cave. i dont know what sjb is or bj unmorph jump. are those the instant unmorph jumps?

craztad

2007-03-13 10:35:07 pm

kyupi+yakisoba=win

ya sorry skeet, you can travel in the secret world state by jumping on the doors and making the next area load so you can go almost anywhere once in a secret world as long as you don't have to go through an elevator. And i was talking about a bomb jump instant unmorph jump. sorry if i was really unclear. oh and i meant space jump boots when i said sjb.
If you want to learn about how to move around to other rooms in secret worlds look up how to get ice beam before flaaghra cause when they do that they are going a long ways in secret worlds.

edit: Superskeetbro, i just noticed that you said you are planning on making videos, thats great cause i was making some but i don't have the time to really refine them. Yours will definitly look better than mine cause im just takin the first decent looking segment and uploading and moving on. The only reason im doing this is so when new people come look at this article, we can send them to a video instead of re-explaining it all over again. So for now i hope my pathetic video's will be good enough. Right now i uploaded seg1-6 on my youtube page. If i missed something i should have got, i either didn't realize it was there or coudn't figure out how to get it yet so please point them out. If im going the wrong way and need to go back a segment or two thats ok too.
the vids are currently at http://www.youtube.com/craztad

ya sorry skeet, you can travel in the secret world state by jumping on the doors and making the next area load so you can go almost anywhere once in a secret world as long as you don't have to go through an elevator. And i was talking about a bomb jump instant unmorph jump. sorry if i was really unclear. oh and i meant space jump boots when i said sjb.
If you want to learn about how to move around to other rooms in secret worlds look up how to get ice beam before flaaghra cause when they do that they are going a long ways in secret worlds.

edit: Superskeetbro, i just noticed that you said you are planning on making videos, thats great cause i was making some but i don't have the time to really refine them. Yours will definitly look better than mine cause im just takin the first decent looking segment and uploading and moving on. The only reason im doing this is so when new people come look at this article, we can send them to a video instead of re-explaining it all over again. So for now i hope my pathetic video's will be good enough. Right now i uploaded seg1-6 on my youtube page. If i missed something i should have got, i either didn't realize it was there or coudn't figure out how to get it yet so please point them out. If im going the wrong way and need to go back a segment or two thats ok too. 
the vids are currently at http://www.youtube.com/craztad

MR.X

2007-03-14 02:00:31 am

Quote from craztad:

Great vid Mr. X. Did you do that in a file without the sj boots or a file with sjboots cause i found it a lot harder to make the dash without the boots. By having the boots you seem to have a little more height on single jumps and dashes from what ive noticed.

Of course in a file without Space Jump... or should would i have gotten it with a hard method, if i´d have them? And i HAD to dash from the blood flower, as i have the PAL Version. I also have 78 % like you, craztad.

recit0- No Scan dashes on PAL= Wall TBJ to the artifact.

SuperSkeetBro- you hadn´t to explain anything, as i did it with a combat dash of the Chozo Ghost... and there´s nothing hard with the room at all. ( If you know you mustn´t kill the Ghosts! Shall i upload a vid of Live grove?

SuperSkeetBro

2007-03-14 03:45:13 pm

craztad-WOW that video was awesome. i dont think i can compare to that. i havent even touched speed running so i couldnt fly through the rooms like that in my vids. also my videos are gonna be ghetto anyways. im hooking my vcr up to the gamecube and recording my play. afterwards im hooking up two vcr's to record over the segments i want. then from there im using my webcam to film the TV playing the final editted version. i dont have any other method of editting or getting it on the computer. a few things i do want to note. i only watched segment 6 but i think thats all the matters as thats when the first sequence breaking should start. except maybe some M.E.'s or tanks. on any parts of the game that might take presicion DBJs, TBJs, scan dashes, slow the game play down a little bit so the viewer can see how it is setup. second thing, find the easiest method of doing things, i made it all the way to 80% without doing a single HBJ and few scan dashes (not saying scan dashes are harder for everyone. just me, so you can leave most of those in). i tend to find TBJ's much easier than an hbj. thirdly, i only plan on using infinite boost as an ABSOLUTE last resort, secret worlds as second to last resort, and since plasma beam has been solved i think we should collect sun artifact and those two other M.E.'s the natural way. You have already put forth so much effort in making the videos i wouldnt ask you to redo them or anything. just maybe label the run as an infinite boost SJless Max% run, or something similar. cant wait to watch the rest of those vids.

MR.X-yeah feel free to upload any videos of the run. just label it PAL method.

craztad-WOW that video was awesome. i dont think i can compare to that. i havent even touched speed running so i couldnt fly through the rooms like that in my vids. also my videos are gonna be ghetto anyways. im hooking my vcr up to the gamecube and recording my play. afterwards im hooking up two vcr's to record over the segments i want. then from there im using my webcam to film the TV playing the final editted version. i dont have any other method of editting or getting it on the computer. a few things i do want to note. i only watched segment 6 but i think thats all the matters as thats when the first sequence breaking should start. except maybe some M.E.'s or tanks. on any parts of the game that might take presicion DBJs, TBJs, scan dashes, slow the game play down a little bit so the viewer can see how it is setup. second thing, find the easiest method of doing things, i made it all the way to 80% without doing a single HBJ and few scan dashes (not saying scan dashes are harder for everyone. just me, so you can leave most of those in). i tend to find TBJ's much easier than an hbj. thirdly, i only plan on using infinite boost as an ABSOLUTE last resort, secret worlds as second to last resort, and since plasma beam has been solved i think we should collect sun artifact and those two other M.E.'s the natural way.  You have already put forth so much effort in making the videos i wouldnt ask you to redo them or anything. just maybe label the run as an infinite boost SJless Max% run, or something similar. cant wait to watch the rest of those vids.

MR.X-yeah feel free to upload any videos of the run. just label it PAL method.