So I've been thinking about this game, and going Phantoon first. Smokey estimates the time saved at around 2-3 minutes, but I peg it at 1-2. Anyways, I have some more musing to go along with this.
If you go phantoon -> kraid/norfair items -> draygon -> ridley, you have no reason to collect the spazer. The charged wave/spazer for phantoon is useless, and I don't believe you need the spazer in maridia. Then you get the plasma, which overrides it anyways for ridley.
So that's about 20-25 secs you could save there.
However, I've also been thinking about going phantoon -> ridley -> kraid -> draygon.
If you can bomb jump into lower norfair quickly, and if you can bomb jump up the one tall room in norfair right before the acid room, and if not getting plasma doesn't waste ages on ridley, then I think that the shorter overworld route might override all that.
But if you do this, you may want to get the spazer to save time on ridley.
Now, there's four ways you could go ridley first.
1. You could get the ice beam, then get the speed booster (and wave, maybe. does not getting wave cut off a bunch of damage from charged shots? somebody who has it post the damage lists kej made), then go to lower norfair.
2. You could get only the ice beam, then pb the blocks and head down, then go through the long room and sj right.
3. You could get only the speed booster and wave, then head down.
4. Get the ice beam, then go right and get the speed booster/wave.
The second is the shorter overworld route, but if you skip the spazer and do it, you're basically looking at a 15% ridley fight with a few more missiles. Then there's a varying degree of extra damage you could do per charged shot based on which beams you collect.
I'm not liking collecting the spazer and doing option 2, mainly because the ridley battle will take ages. But you don't have to make an extra trip to get to the speed booster/wave - you get those as you exit. Dunno how long the extra trip takes, and dunno how much time is actually saved after you waste time going to get the spazer too. And there's no way skipping the spazer would be faster.
Option 3 hinges on whether or not the extra travel time incurred by leaving norfair, getting to the entrance of maridia, and going back to the way to ln is more than the time the ridley battle takes by doing lesser damage.
Option 1 kind of defeats the point of having a shorter overworld route, and going draygon before ridley only has like 20 secs extra of travel time total. That's easily cancelled out by the SJ and plasma.
4 might work, since there's only like 10 secs more of travel time from option 3, and I think the ice beam on ridley would save at least that much.
And going draygon first would not only be easier, and not only do you have the plasma, you could have as much as 20 extra supers, depending on how long you want to take collecting.
I say we skip hi-jump in any case, as we don't have to go up red brinstar mainstreet without the sj anymore.
Again, someone who has ridley's damage lists post them so we can find out just how much time is lost by getting lesser amounts of beams.
If you go phantoon -> kraid/norfair items -> draygon -> ridley, you have no reason to collect the spazer. The charged wave/spazer for phantoon is useless, and I don't believe you need the spazer in maridia. Then you get the plasma, which overrides it anyways for ridley.
So that's about 20-25 secs you could save there.
However, I've also been thinking about going phantoon -> ridley -> kraid -> draygon.
If you can bomb jump into lower norfair quickly, and if you can bomb jump up the one tall room in norfair right before the acid room, and if not getting plasma doesn't waste ages on ridley, then I think that the shorter overworld route might override all that.
But if you do this, you may want to get the spazer to save time on ridley.
Now, there's four ways you could go ridley first.
1. You could get the ice beam, then get the speed booster (and wave, maybe. does not getting wave cut off a bunch of damage from charged shots? somebody who has it post the damage lists kej made), then go to lower norfair.
2. You could get only the ice beam, then pb the blocks and head down, then go through the long room and sj right.
3. You could get only the speed booster and wave, then head down.
4. Get the ice beam, then go right and get the speed booster/wave.
The second is the shorter overworld route, but if you skip the spazer and do it, you're basically looking at a 15% ridley fight with a few more missiles. Then there's a varying degree of extra damage you could do per charged shot based on which beams you collect.
I'm not liking collecting the spazer and doing option 2, mainly because the ridley battle will take ages. But you don't have to make an extra trip to get to the speed booster/wave - you get those as you exit. Dunno how long the extra trip takes, and dunno how much time is actually saved after you waste time going to get the spazer too. And there's no way skipping the spazer would be faster.
Option 3 hinges on whether or not the extra travel time incurred by leaving norfair, getting to the entrance of maridia, and going back to the way to ln is more than the time the ridley battle takes by doing lesser damage.
Option 1 kind of defeats the point of having a shorter overworld route, and going draygon before ridley only has like 20 secs extra of travel time total. That's easily cancelled out by the SJ and plasma.
4 might work, since there's only like 10 secs more of travel time from option 3, and I think the ice beam on ridley would save at least that much.
And going draygon first would not only be easier, and not only do you have the plasma, you could have as much as 20 extra supers, depending on how long you want to take collecting.
I say we skip hi-jump in any case, as we don't have to go up red brinstar mainstreet without the sj anymore.
Again, someone who has ridley's damage lists post them so we can find out just how much time is lost by getting lesser amounts of beams.
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