about the ridley CG issue

2010-09-08 10:43:48 pm

Indie Lover

just a article i found that you guys might want to read

http://gamrfeed.vgchartz.com/story/81909/ptsd-or-weakness-real-experts-on-why-samus-didnt-shoot/

it's interesting, at least. i didn't thought about that until i read this article, and i forgot about how the same thing happened on the manga...

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TheMG2

2010-09-08 11:08:50 pm

...What? I was the only one who remembered?

kesvalk

2010-09-08 11:09:52 pm

Indie Lover

i think so, i completely forgot about that...

tomatobob

2010-09-08 11:16:48 pm

One shall stand, one shall ball.

They might have an argument if it wasn't for the fact that she had no such freakouts in the billion times she's seen Ridley between Metroid 1 and Other M. Apparently she did get over it.
Whoops.

Also the idea that the writers for Other M were capable of intentionally depicting a character with PTSD is laughable at best.

KingBroly

2010-09-09 12:52:32 am

Did you read it? PTSD doesn't just go away. Sometimes it hits you, sometimes it doesn't. You don't simply "get over it" over time.

tomatobob

2010-09-09 12:57:34 am

One shall stand, one shall ball.

Did you read my post? That was my point. Given the amount of times she's seen Ridley from Metroid 1 and Other M only one real episode just suggests inconsistent characterization. Surprise! The writers are bad!

KingBroly

2010-09-09 01:10:43 am

I could say it all came rushing back when he just appears out of nowhere after a long period of being dead. I'm sure it'd surprise the heck out of you if something similar happened.

Poision Envy

2010-09-09 01:11:24 am

Club 27 Goals

What made her so sure it was Ridley anyway? Is there only one Ridley in the entire galaxy?

KingBroly

2010-09-09 01:17:57 am

I think it was an imprint sorta thing, sorta like the 'first thing the Baby Metroid sees = mother'. But 'Ridley = death'

Turtle

2010-09-09 12:56:37 pm

I like turtles.

Gonna have to agree with tomatobob here. The excuse would fly if they had portrayed Samus as such more consistently. The only other place PTSD is mentioned is the manga, which in my opinion should be considered canonical only after the games.

Aruki

2010-09-09 01:21:39 pm

i have to agree too... even if PTSD explains her reaction to ridley, then the issue becomes the fact that it just doesn't make sense to make samus suffer from PTSD given already established canon in all the other games. doesn't help that they didn't explain that it was PTSD very well (or at all) in the game :s

KingBroly

2010-09-09 01:43:54 pm

I think they should've explained that Ridley killed her parents in front of her as a child. But that's Japanese writing I guess, implied stuff over actual explanation.

The whole freaking out thing over Ridley was in Zero Mission with that one cutscene panel. It wasn't as severe, sure, but it was there.

TheGreenManalishi

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TheGreenManalishi: 2010-09-09 02:05:51 pm

2010-09-09 02:05:25 pm

Quote from Turtle:

The excuse would fly if they had portrayed Samus as such more consistently.

Well, it's not like they could animate the same amount of emotion in SM, and we know that they pretty much disregarded the Primes for Other M.

Don't get me wrong, I still think it's dumb, but you can't say she wasn't scared back on Zebes. To be honest, it would have made a lot more sense for her to be really pissed off at seeing Ridley again, but that's to do with the misinterpretation of her badassery.

KingBroly

2010-09-09 02:41:44 pm

I gotta admit, I chuckled at the "would he sit in a safe Command Room and order you to die?" part.

Boris

2010-09-09 03:32:48 pm

The Overlord of All Acorns.

It's far easier to just accept Other M as not being canon than trying to imprint it on the canon that was already there.

Up until this game, the timeline was very set in stone. Now they fucked up a ton of stuff.

Turtle

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Turtle: 2010-09-09 03:35:14 pm

2010-09-09 03:35:03 pm

I like turtles.

Quote from KingBroly:

The whole freaking out thing over Ridley was in Zero Mission with that one cutscene panel. It wasn't as severe, sure, but it was there.

I thought that, given the comic book-esque presentation of cutscenes in ZM, that was just Samus swiveling around and looking up to see Ridley coming down from the ceiling rather than freaking out.

TheGreenManalishi

2010-09-09 03:42:54 pm

Quote from Boris:

Up until this game, the timeline was very set in stone.

Ahh, the old days.

kesvalk

2010-09-09 04:10:51 pm

Indie Lover

strange... samus get scared and the whole timeline get blown to pieces...

time is a very fragile thing...

TheMG2

2010-09-09 04:12:37 pm

OK. Previously, a planet blew up on Ridley. That was a whole new level for Ridley. Samus expected Ridley to stay dead.

TheGreenManalishi

2010-09-09 04:14:48 pm

Quote from kesvalk:

strange... samus get scared and the whole timeline get blown to pieces...

To me, it's mainly the fact that Other M does not mention the chozo upbringing that Samus had in all the references to her past, her parents, Zebes and 'father figures'.

sabata2

2010-09-09 04:16:34 pm

ANKOKU

Yeah, I noticed that too.

Old Bird wasn't her father figure now for some reason, Adam is.

TheGreenManalishi

2010-09-09 04:20:59 pm

"Hey Samus, where'd you get that suit that's much better than anything we're equipped with?"
"...found it?"

kesvalk

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kesvalk: 2010-09-09 04:28:06 pm

2010-09-09 04:27:56 pm

Indie Lover

old bird wasn't her father figure, it was more of a master than a father...

my god, he is a giant inteligent chicken!
no way in hell samus would see him as her father...

TheGreenManalishi

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TheGreenManalishi: 2010-09-09 04:30:41 pm

2010-09-09 04:30:06 pm

Male person. Raises you from early childhood.

No, you're right, her CO and boyfriend's brother fits the bill better.

Toozin

2010-09-09 04:50:37 pm

Not impossible

just highly unlikely

The sooner they come out with the next game and make no reference to Other M's story, the better for everyone.