21% Topic

2010-07-05 06:00:10 pm

red chamber dream

Quote from rekameohs:

Quote from arkarian:

especially not using another route to phendrana.

The only other route I could see possible is through the mines to magmoor, but then you've got the wave door at the mines elevator to deal with.

yep, earlier in this thread i was talking about that. we'd have to find a sw in that elevator which is yeah ... not very likely. who knows though.

Kharay1977

2010-07-05 06:34:42 pm

Quote from synbios:

20% seems very unlikely. If it ends up possible, it will for sure involve crazy tricks.

21% already involved some crazy ones. Wouldn't hurt to see more crazy tricks though. *grin*

tate

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tate: 2010-07-06 11:22:26 pm

2010-07-06 11:12:55 pm

I was thinking today about vmr. Has anyone tried to do the wtr glitch, or whatever it is called when you jump by a door and the room blacks out, and then reload the textures around you. There might be an abysmally small chance that you can load yourself in the heated room without being hit by the heat. This is just purely thought though since I have been unable to do a wtr glitch on any of the doors thus far but i don't even know how to really do the glitch so im probably not the best person to be trying.

Edit: just did a search on wtr glitch and it doesn't look like any of the magmoor rooms we can try are ones where wtr can be performed, that sucks.

juliano6010

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juliano6010: 2010-07-07 06:13:26 am

2010-07-07 06:12:42 am

Well, I think that I have discovered how to skip the Varia Suit, but before to confirm it, I need know one thing.

In this Paraxade´s video (...):

Since 0:24 until 0:56 he´s jumping and climbing in the air. Well, can I do IT in all places? The answer is important because if it´s "yes", perhaps is possible to do a 20%.

Baby Sheegoth

2010-07-07 09:54:11 am

Quote from juliano6010:

Well, I think that I have discovered how to skip the Varia Suit, but before to confirm it, I need know one thing.

In this Paraxade´s video (...):

Since 0:24 until 0:56 he´s jumping and climbing in the air. Well, can I do IT in all places? The answer is important because if it´s "yes", perhaps is possible to do a 20%.

He's doing an aether jump.... which is possible everywhere OUTSIDE the level...

juliano6010

2010-07-07 10:14:50 am

WOW! OK! Emm, but...is it possible in PAL version? For curiosity.

Well, I will try to make a video about my idea this weekend (I am not sure if I will be able to do it because I´m very bad in 21%). If I can´t do it, I will explain it with videos of other people.

arkarian

2010-07-07 12:48:08 pm

red chamber dream

it's ok if you have other items (like spider, e-tanks, etc) while testing as long as you don't actually use them in the rooms we're trying to solve. the only item you shouldn't have though is space jump, since it affects bomb jumping height and other stuff.

Aruki

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Aruki: 2010-07-07 02:37:06 pm

Aruki: 2010-07-07 02:36:19 pm

2010-07-07 02:36:02 pm

good luck getting plasma without SJ or varia suit. :/

Low% varia skip is alt 21% at best, unless someone can pull off that Magmoor Workstation SW I suppose...

arkarian

2010-07-07 02:39:34 pm

red chamber dream

Quote from Paraxade:

good luck getting plasma without SJ or varia suit. :/

hmm i didn't even think about that. yeah seems like we'd to somehow not take damage while sw'ing from burning trail.

you're right ... if anything, alt 21% might be the best we can do.

TakeChan

2010-07-07 02:40:56 pm

Quote from Baby Sheegoth:

He's doing an aether jump.... which is possible everywhere OUTSIDE the level...

is there a trick? I press the button >(B)< 92131949952x, and jump 1x...=/

Boris

2010-07-07 10:57:31 pm

The Overlord of All Acorns.

Quote from TakeChan:

Quote from Baby Sheegoth:

He's doing an aether jump.... which is possible everywhere OUTSIDE the level...

is there a trick? I press the button >(B)< 92131949952x, and jump 1x...=/

you have to press jump while crossing the boundary of the outside of the level and the void, i believe.

i dunno, i'm a partaker of the "mash B" method myself.

Baby Sheegoth

2010-07-09 03:14:03 pm

Quote from Boris:

i dunno, i'm a partaker of the "mash B" method myself.

Only way to really replicate it, yah.

petrie911

2010-07-13 04:05:08 pm

A few questions about 21% as it is now

1) Is it possible to get the Plasma Beam and return to the SW, or do you have to go back in bounds to continue?

2) Is there a no-SJ secret world that would allow us to wallcrawl from the PBs to the Artifact of Warrior?

3) Is is possible to climb frigate crash site backwards without SJ?

tate

2010-07-13 06:07:09 pm

1. in paraxades video he is forced back into a sw when leaving the plasma beam room because the roof is not raised so you can probably continue in the sw state if you want.
2. i don't know the answer to this one.
3. yes. by the ice door to enter the frigate, it involves bomb jumping up on a rock and then dashing over to the slanted hill. from there you jump/walk up the hill a ways and then bomb jump up the last tall slanted wall.

bartendorsparky

2010-07-13 06:23:50 pm

always move fast

1) you can easily re-enter the secret world with sj by climbing up the spider blocks and just jumping out. i've never confirmed it or anything, but i'd think you could also do it without sj.
2) kinda. you can use the one in metroid quarantine b and then either climb up ppc and head to warrior or double back and head back the other way. you can't get into the closer sw without sj though (afaik!).

Baby Sheegoth

2010-07-13 11:58:44 pm

Andrew Mills

2010-07-20 03:38:21 pm

Strategy Guide Writer

So hold on a second here. Has 21% actually been confirmed? How? What's the last item to be skipped?...

A recap of the latest developments would be nice! :)

072

2010-07-20 04:02:58 pm

coral to complement blue

http://m2k2.taigaforum.com/post/21_topic_1022.html#21_topic_1022

rekameohs

2010-07-20 11:25:57 pm

Anywhere, everywhere

This was a really fun topic to be in.

juliano6010

2010-07-22 06:40:50 am

Only one question:
When a run of 21%?

Boris

2010-07-22 12:41:48 pm

The Overlord of All Acorns.

Quote from juliano6010:

Only one question:
When a run of 21%?

at the current time, with the current info

running 21% for speed looks batshit insane.

sabata2

2010-07-22 07:11:46 pm

ANKOKU

Can it be segmented a ton so we can atleast see it if we missed it?

I know there's a bunch of stuff that takes a while, but can't that be done?

tomatobob

2010-07-22 07:14:41 pm

One shall stand, one shall ball.

Sure it can, but I don't think there's anyone in the universe that wants to do it.

sabata2

2010-07-22 07:18:45 pm

ANKOKU

Is that cause the segments have to be incredibly long? Or just no one wants to spend 12 hours just trying the Thardus Jump to immediately save?

rekameohs

2010-07-22 08:08:31 pm

Anywhere, everywhere

Thardus jump isn't even close to being the hardest trick in 21%, and it's not even required. I think no one will have the will to do a speed run until a tas is done.