20% Topic

Hazel

2011-11-11 02:37:02 pm

rocks, locks, and invisible blocks

damn, I was hoping that would be used in TAS'es, at lest boost can get the hight need, right?

MrSpEeDrUn

2011-11-11 02:45:31 pm

MP2 also a bit MP1 speedrunning

maybe idk.

arkarian

2011-11-11 03:07:52 pm

red chamber dream

seems like there should be two 20% threads: one for people who know what they're talking about and one for people who don't

MrSpEeDrUn

2011-11-11 03:13:39 pm

MP2 also a bit MP1 speedrunning

hm yeah right this should be in the speed trick thread sorry Whistle

Aruki

2011-11-11 03:17:26 pm

yeah can you guys yknow... actually try stuff before posting about it? instead of filling the thread up with pointless conjecture that doesn't actually work?

arkarian

2011-11-11 03:19:30 pm

red chamber dream

but paraxade you're better at prime than me so i figured i could just throw stuff out there and you could try it. sounds good right?

rekameohs

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rekameohs: 2011-11-11 10:51:43 pm

rekameohs: 2011-11-11 10:51:42 pm

2011-11-11 10:44:17 pm

Anywhere, everywhere

how is any of that related to 20%

Metroid177

2011-11-25 05:07:59 pm

Um, if you watch this video, you guys will see it is possible to get ice beam without morph ball bombs and escape... (start watching at around 6:56)
Has anyone tryed to do this without space jump?
Or is this something that is very old and has already been tested before and am I looking like an idiot for even bringing it up?

Hazel

2011-11-25 05:17:38 pm

rocks, locks, and invisible blocks

I personally have done this before...

mpfanatic

2011-11-25 05:23:25 pm

ya unfortunately that has been found.. you dont sound dumb lol u found that by urself mad props! i think this was brought up when i was experimenting with my max% MB-less run. i was able to make it to ice beam w/o space jump or morph ball ^.^ but gooood luck finding a way out after... i found a couple spots that looked promising for a SW outta there but nobody was really interested so i kinda dropped it

Metroid177

2011-11-25 05:31:28 pm

what do you mean mpfanatic? The guy in the video (this is someone else's video I just copy and pasted the url) was able to escape chozo ruins and enter tallon without bombs.
Also, can someone post a video on how to get into gathering hall sw without sj?

Hazel

2011-11-25 05:34:13 pm

rocks, locks, and invisible blocks

Quote from Metroid177:

can someone post a video on how to get into gathering hall sw without sj?

Thats something I need to see, I just can't understand how its done without SJ

mpfanatic

2011-11-26 03:13:39 am

what i meant was leaving ibbf without bombs or morph ball. without being able to mid-air morph (the technique he used to leave) there is no known way to get back as of yet >.<

Nisco

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2011-11-26 07:34:38 am

If you were to take the elevator to Tallon South, there is the secret world in great tree chamber- but that needs a HBJ. It would then require a tasty wallcrawl through sunken frigate...

I don't think that you'll be able to get into great tree chamber SW with only space jump.. but I would like to be proven wrong.

mpfanatic

2011-11-26 07:38:41 pm

ya if great tree chamber sw, or any sw in a room nearby is possible under mb-less conditions i think there might be a possibility of, if nothing else, getting back to ur ship after ibbf. dont really see it happening and not really 20% related but man it would be cool

silver_stieff

2012-01-02 11:32:00 pm

Out of curiosity, has anyone tried getting 11 artifacts and using flickerball to see if you can initiate the fight with Ridley?

Jerry9

2012-01-03 01:46:21 am

not evil,just hungry

flickerball will activate the next cutscene in that room. if you do not have all the artifacts, the fight will not start. if that is that last artifact you need, then flickerball will start the cutscene where you pick it up and then the fight starts (same as walking into it).

MrSpEeDrUn

2012-01-03 08:12:45 am

MP2 also a bit MP1 speedrunning

hm what happens after we have the ice beam?
wouldnt it be easier to get the wave beam first?

Hazel

2012-01-04 08:17:29 pm

rocks, locks, and invisible blocks

So how 'bout them missiles? do we just need a SW in the room with morph ball (most likely a clipping one) and a SW in the elevator in phen coming from magmoor to get an alternate 21% (with space jump I asume)? or are there other spots that "need" missiles?

Skull64

2012-01-05 01:20:40 pm

how do you plan on getting the ice beam without missiles?

Hazel

2012-01-05 03:51:52 pm

rocks, locks, and invisible blocks

Yay you somewhat answered my question, but is ice beam the only other spot we need it?

Nisco

2012-01-05 08:13:19 pm

Correct me if I am wrong but don't you need missiles to get Artifact of Nature in Magmoor...

I seem to recall someone said that you can get it with IS if you don't have missiles. But you won't have Boost.. so yeah.. I think you will need missiles there

arkarian

2012-01-05 08:17:58 pm

red chamber dream

i was confused about that originally too but apparently you can use flickerball to get it

Hazel

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Hazel: 2012-01-06 12:06:17 am

2012-01-06 12:04:04 am

rocks, locks, and invisible blocks

ok so in a non-Low% we just need to find a way past Icebeam (not gonna happen >_>) and two SWs, that pretty much takes missiles out of the question.

Edit: if someone helps me/tells me the TAS input for HBJs/UBJs (without walls) I could work on finding a work station SW without SJ, iirc that has something to do with varialess run/20%

ptorflaxendrosis

2012-01-06 12:53:30 pm

Just test the amount of frames to wait for the last 5 bombs, you should be laying them all at the same beat for an HBJ.