20% Topic

2012-11-26 06:43:12 pm

rocks, locks, and invisible blocks

MIB?

2012-11-26 10:17:26 pm

Do you mean MBI? No one's found any way to activate it in Prime, no, if that's what you're asking. In Echoes, it's activated through things that were new to that game, like Morph Ball Cannons. Or maybe it was only ever the cannons in the first place, I'm not sure. But yeah, those don't exist in Prime.

rekameohs

2012-11-26 10:55:04 pm

Anywhere, everywhere

The reason MBI happens is because the cannons make the morph ball invincible, as well as a deadly projectile. There's nothing of the sort in Prime.

BioSpark

2012-11-27 01:40:14 am

i do men in black in metroid prime all the time

PokeyTroid

2013-03-23 10:08:25 am

So is any progress being made on 20%?

I've been looking into this. Would an alternate 21% that skips Varia instead of Space Jump be accepted? All we need is a SW in Twin Fires, and Varia is as good as skipped.

The route would be:

>Space Jump

>Missiles, Morph Ball, and Bombs

>Ice Beam

>Cross Twin Fires Tunnel (I heard this was possible if you do the jump backward to save time lost by turning around)

>Secret world in Twin Fires, wallcrawl to Plasma Beam, then to Phazon Mines elevator

>Go get Power Bombs

>Climb Vent Shaft and Phazon Processing Center, head back to Magmoor

>Magmoor Workstation SW past Wave Beam doors and back to Tallon elevator

>Climb Frigate Crash Site and head to Great Tree Hall

>Go get X-Ray (You can use the Life Grove SW to both grab the artifact and bypass the GTH bars on the way back)

>Head back to Central Dynamo

>Omega Research SW to bypass Wave Beam door to Metroid Quarantine A

>Go beat Omega Pirate, get Phazon Suit

>Climb Phazon Processing Center, head to Magmoor

>Magmoor Workstation SW past Wave Beam doors

From there, we're home free. Go grab the Wave Beam, the Artifacts, then head to Impact Crater. All we need is that Twin fires SW. We're so close!

So is any progress being made on 20%?

I've been looking into this. Would an alternate 21% that skips Varia instead of Space Jump be accepted? All we need is a SW in Twin Fires, and Varia is as good as skipped.

The route would be:

>Space Jump

>Missiles, Morph Ball, and Bombs

>Ice Beam

>Cross Twin Fires Tunnel (I heard this was possible if you do the jump backward to save time lost by turning around)

>Secret world in Twin Fires, wallcrawl to Plasma Beam, then to Phazon Mines elevator

>Go get Power Bombs

>Climb Vent Shaft and Phazon Processing Center, head back to Magmoor

>Magmoor Workstation SW past Wave Beam doors and back to Tallon elevator

>Climb Frigate Crash Site and head to Great Tree Hall

>Go get X-Ray (You can use the Life Grove SW to both grab the artifact and bypass the GTH bars on the way back)

>Head back to Central Dynamo

>Omega Research SW to bypass Wave Beam door to Metroid Quarantine A

>Go beat Omega Pirate, get Phazon Suit

>Climb Phazon Processing Center, head to Magmoor

>Magmoor Workstation SW past Wave Beam doors

From there, we're home free. Go grab the Wave Beam, the Artifacts, then head to Impact Crater. All we need is that Twin fires SW. We're so close!

Hazel

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Hazel: 2013-03-23 10:23:27 am

2013-03-23 10:23:11 am

rocks, locks, and invisible blocks

iirc its not possible to wallcrawl from Omega Research to mqa, the door on the floor at the bottom of Omega Research is stopping you from doing anything there :(

PokeyTroid

2013-03-23 10:33:02 am

...oh. It won't open?

Hazel

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Hazel: 2013-03-23 10:34:48 am

2013-03-23 10:34:11 am

rocks, locks, and invisible blocks

if you load the other room you just get stuck in between them afaik

PokeyTroid

2013-03-23 10:35:48 am

So we'd need two secret worlds, then.

Thanks for the quick replies, btw.

PokeyTroid

2013-03-23 11:07:52 am

Actually, is it possible to wallcrawl from Omega Research to Phazon Processing Center through Maintenance Tunnel and enter Elite Quarters backward?

If those vertical doors are a problem, we'd need another mines SW...

Hazel

2013-03-23 11:31:33 am

rocks, locks, and invisible blocks

I don't really know the names of all the rooms, but I'm pretty sure Maintenance Tunnel is room with the ball tunnel with the power bomb-able rocks in the middle, right? and Elite Quarters is the Phazon Pirate room? if so, then you'd need to boost to load Elite Quarters (lol, long story)

PokeyTroid

2013-03-23 11:36:19 am

Yeah, Maintenance Tunnel is the one that leads from level two to level three, and connects the first Elite Pirate room to Phazon Processing Center.

Boost? What?

Phazon Mines sucks...

Hazel

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Hazel: 2013-03-23 11:48:19 am

2013-03-23 11:40:12 am

rocks, locks, and invisible blocks

Mines do suck, same with Magmoor, we need more SWs.

Edit: this

pretty much, you need to scan the thing then reload the room for the loading zone to appear, if you don't reload the room the game crashes, like in this video ... but if you go back to Omega Research and wallcrawl down there again, you can load the OP fight, like in this video:
(I don't expect anyone to watch that second video)

PokeyTroid

2013-03-23 12:27:09 pm

Okay, I watched them, and that OP without Wave Beam video too.

So it's possible to reach OP without Wave, but... you need Boost? Can't you doorwarp in somewhere?

Hazel

2013-03-23 12:30:20 pm

rocks, locks, and invisible blocks

you can't scan unless the map is on the room with the scan target, its retarded but there isn't a way to do this without boost

PokeyTroid

2013-03-26 02:41:53 am

Maybe we're going about this the wrong way. Instead of trying to skip Wave until Phazon Suit, we find a way to get to it backward.

There's a SW in Transport Access, the room in Phendrana that's behind the post-Thardus elevator. It requires Charge Beam, but has anyone tried getting into it without? From there we could wallcrawl straight to Wave, then head back to TFT normally, cross it backward, then head to the Mines normally.

I'm going to poke around those two rooms and see what I can find.

Hazel

2013-03-26 07:48:01 am

rocks, locks, and invisible blocks

iirc there is a SW in the Phendrana elevator that Miles would always try to get into then he screwed up in segment 8, he was trying to BSJ off one of the 4 poles that are around the elevator thought I never actually saw him get oob and I've never seen a video of it being done anywhere else (it most likely requires space jump if its possible).

I guess there might be some potential for a SW in Transport Access if you melt the ice, then UBJ onto the pulse bombu and somehow balance on it long enough to be able to UBJ or DBJ out ... good luck with that btw.

...But, wouldn't all this be useless without a SW in Twin Fires?

MilesSMB

2013-03-26 07:53:36 am

...I was just messing around, not trying to get out of bounds.

T3

2013-03-29 04:33:54 pm

so i decided to look into 20% again and i came up with this. i haven't managed to get onto the bombu without space jump yet but i've come very close. also i suspect there is actually a higher ledge on the ice that may be usable but it's insanely small. so assuming that this is actually possible without space jump all that would be needed is a twin fires secret world and 20% would be possible.

rekameohs

2013-03-29 05:09:00 pm

Anywhere, everywhere

I also think that no one's done TFT without varia/sj/energy tanks successfully yet.

Hazel

2013-03-29 06:15:09 pm

rocks, locks, and invisible blocks

iirc bartendersparky did it, but I'm not 100% sure.

arkarian

2013-03-29 06:30:14 pm

red chamber dream

i seem to remember someone doing that while they had space jump, but they didn't use it ... might be wrong though (don't know if it even matters)

Hazel

2013-03-29 06:33:27 pm

rocks, locks, and invisible blocks

well, space jump makes you jump a little higher but for something like this I highly doubt it makes the difference.

T3

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T3: 2013-03-29 06:53:59 pm

2013-03-29 06:52:20 pm

afaik nobody has done it yet. sparky made a video a while ago where he got extremely close so i'm sure it's possible.

here's the video:

PokeyTroid

2013-03-31 05:51:05 am

I thought that someone HAD done it, just facing backward.

That Pulse Bombu SW is confirmed possible in 21% conditions, without the Charge Beam? Awesome. Even if we can't do any of this without Space Jump, an alternate 21% would be much easier, both in difficulty and enabling new percent drops.