The last Fusion suit

nn12000

2006-01-18 11:51:26 pm

Mister ...

Ok, i see your point. (Sucks for any remaining Metroids that Samus may have missed in that place :D )

Poke The Phazon

2006-03-03 11:32:25 am

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Here's a good question to think about. Do you think personally that the explosion of the BSL Station crashing into SR-388 destroyed all the X parasites?

Hopefully it did cause if it didn't and there were any remaining metroids that were killed if anyone else was infected they would be doomed cause there would prolly be no vaccine left

srry only the first chunk was to be a quote i'm new

A Silly Goose

2006-03-03 05:51:56 pm

Look, witty text!

...Yaknow, I think it's very much possible that SR-388 is still there, albeit (nearly) lifeless; for all we know the "big cloud" that showed up on the sensors/starmap is just a massive cloud of fallout or whatever from the explosion, which would more likely than not render the planet (and anything else in the area) invisible to the ship's sensors.

As for Samus's suit, the thing that has me wondering is the arm cannon; obviously, if we're to avoid a plothole here, the arm cannon is organic, despite it's very mechanical appearance and use. Maybe the Chozo Power Suit's organic components are able to construct the non-organic parts on their own? That'd certainly add a whole new level to how advanced Chozo technology is, and it would explain how the non-organic portions of the Power Suit are able to be copied by the X.

Even further, it possibly explains how absorbing core X allows Samus to regain abilities: the absorbtion process allows the suit to rebuild certain inorganic components much more rapidly than it could on its own.

That way, you could actually suggest that the change in suit (to Varia and Gravity) may actually be normal for the usually-covered organic components, and the final suit could be the outer armor starting to regenerate.

It'd explain the ice beam, too. Samus may have been incompatible with it at first--but as the suit's regeneration took place, that compatibility issue was resolved.

As for that arm cannon, maybe the one Samus uses in Fusion is just the cellularly-integrated organic components, just like the rest of the suit?

...Yaknow, I think it's very much possible that SR-388 is still there, albeit (nearly) lifeless; for all we know the "big cloud" that showed up on the sensors/starmap is just a massive cloud of fallout or whatever from the explosion, which would more likely than not render the planet (and anything else in the area) invisible to the ship's sensors.

As for Samus's suit, the thing that has me wondering is the arm cannon; obviously, if we're to avoid a plothole here, the arm cannon is organic, despite it's very mechanical appearance and use.  Maybe the Chozo Power Suit's organic components are able to construct the non-organic parts on their own?  That'd certainly add a whole new level to how advanced Chozo technology is, and it would explain how the non-organic portions of the Power Suit are able to be copied by the X.

Even further, it possibly explains how absorbing core X allows Samus to regain abilities: the absorbtion process allows the suit to rebuild certain inorganic components much more rapidly than it could on its own.

That way, you could actually suggest that the change in suit (to Varia and Gravity) may actually be normal for the usually-covered organic components, and the final suit could be the outer armor starting to regenerate.

It'd explain the ice beam, too.  Samus may have been incompatible with it at first--but as the suit's regeneration took place, that compatibility issue was resolved.

As for that arm cannon, maybe the one Samus uses in Fusion is just the cellularly-integrated organic components, just like the rest of the suit?

Thalion

2006-03-13 05:15:01 pm

Actually a couple of pictures samus takes the arm gun off, so I think that its sorta like a arm cover and stuff, not like a mechanical hand sorta thing like in Star Wars when they get their hand cut off
she has a regular hand. sry but i cant remeber where the picture was

A Silly Goose

2006-03-13 05:42:42 pm

Look, witty text!

Well, it being integrated with Samus on a cellular level would not mean that its a permanent part of her arm--just like the rest of the Power Suit, it couldn't be safely removed from Samus' body while she was unconcious.

...But yeah, it's nothing like Star Wars, for the reason you mentioned, as well as the fact that you can also clearly see Samus' hand inside the arm cannon when wearing the X-Ray Visor in Prime. Of course, there are all the classic ending sequences that reveal her "just in bailey," as well.

SABERinBLUE

2006-03-13 06:11:48 pm

Cook of the Sea

Quote from Thalion:

Actually a couple of pictures samus takes the arm gun off, so I think that its sorta like a arm cover and stuff, not like a mechanical hand sorta thing like in Star Wars when they get their hand cut off
she has a regular hand. sry but i cant remeber where the picture was

Her right hand is shown at the beginning of the Nintendo Power Metroid Prime comic. If I can find my old copy of it I'll scan it.

Silent

2006-04-08 03:09:42 pm

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There are no "suits"

It's the fusion suit with Varia's and Gravity's effects, nothing more. See how the physical aspects of her suit don't change, just the colors?

Heh, Is that why it says "Varia Suit Aquired" and same with the Gravity suit when i collect it?[/quote]

Hejira

2006-04-08 08:35:21 pm

Just because I bought a Game Boy Player for my Gamecube doesn't mean I have a brand new Gamecube.

I'm not sure what I'm trying to say here, but it seems relevant.

BioSpark

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BioSpark: 2008-06-12 03:12:03 am

2006-04-08 10:28:44 pm

It would probably make more sense for the gamers to see "varia suit aquired", than "varia affect aquired" or something like that.

Lazylen

(user is banned)

2006-04-09 12:07:01 am

Quote from SABERinBLUE:

Quote from Thalion:

Actually a couple of pictures samus takes the arm gun off, so I think that its sorta like a arm cover and stuff, not like a mechanical hand sorta thing like in Star Wars when they get their hand cut off
she has a regular hand. sry but i cant remeber where the picture was

Her right hand is shown at the beginning of the Nintendo Power Metroid Prime comic. If I can find my old copy of it I'll scan it.

well, there's the proof in MZM with her using her emergency pistol... she doesnt have a cannon on then.

UchihaSasuke

2006-04-09 05:20:32 pm

my umbrella goes directly to Bankai

but who says she didn't lose her hand later? in MP3 or between SM and Fusion... :p

also, the Varia suit effect is the ability to resist extreme temperatures. it makes sense imo that she regains those effects only and the suit gets new colors to show it.

Zeke

2006-04-09 05:54:33 pm

Time bomb set get out fast!

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but who says she didn't lose her hand later?

It's true. Who can forget that cutscene in Super Metroid?

Samus: You're going down, Ridley! I'll --
Ridley: (bites Samus's hand off)
Samus: ARRRRGH!
Ridley: Old Bird never told you what really happened to your father.
Samus: He told me enough! He told me you killed him!
Ridley: No. I am your father.
Samus: That's not true! That's impossible! We're different species!
Ridley: I adopted, stupid.
Samus: NOOOOO! (falls down bottomless pit)
(10 energy units later)
Samus: Oh. Hi again.
Ridley: Well, this is awkward.

Izo

2006-04-09 05:58:47 pm

soaking through

I think the bottom picture on this page is what he was referring to. It doesn't mean much though; she has her hand in the other endings.

Admiral Gado

2006-04-21 01:19:02 am

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The X can only infect organic components, which only the same X (or spawns of that X) then can reproduce. I'd imagine anything not organic doesn't get infected and can therefore not be reproduced.

Certain "half-creature, half-machine" things (BOX, Nightmare, Samus's suit) can therefore have their organic parts infected and copied, and as long as they're infected the mechanic parts pretty much follow along (they can't do much else, silly "not thinking"-things). However, the mechanic parts do not get copied. And so, if the X were to try reproducing anything partly mechanic, they would end up as something strangly deformed with things missing.

Although I agree that the non-organic parts probably can't be copied the Varia-X is a perfect example of an X infecting non-organic parts, thereby giving it the Varia suit power. I believe Adam replies in shock to the news when you return to the Nav room saying that "They must be able to register non-organic data organicly" (or something to that effect) which also debunks your theory that the machine parts would just follow along doing nothing when obviously Nighmare-X can control gravity, fire his arm lasers etc. ; and BOXII's entire outer shell is machine and the inside is organic (from what I've seen) and it's able to fire missles.

Your theory pretty much says that Nightmare-X and BOXII wouldn't even be able to move.

[quote="Dragonfangs"]The X can only infect organic components, which only the same X (or spawns of that X) then can reproduce. I'd imagine anything not organic doesn't get infected and can therefore not be reproduced.
 
Certain "half-creature, half-machine" things (BOX, Nightmare, Samus's suit) can therefore have their organic parts infected and copied, and as long as they're infected the mechanic parts pretty much follow along (they can't do much else, silly "not thinking"-things). However, the mechanic parts do not get copied. And so, if the X were to try reproducing anything partly mechanic, they would end up as something strangly deformed with things missing.[/quote]Although I agree that the non-organic parts probably can't be copied the Varia-X is a perfect example of an X infecting non-organic parts, thereby giving it the Varia suit power. I believe Adam replies in shock to the news when you return to the Nav room saying that  "They must be able to register non-organic data organicly" (or something to that effect) which also debunks your theory that the machine parts would just follow along doing nothing when obviously Nighmare-X can control gravity, fire his arm lasers etc. ; and BOXII's entire outer shell is machine and the inside is organic (from what I've seen)  and it's able to fire missles.

Your theory pretty much says that Nightmare-X and BOXII wouldn't even be able to move.

Dragonfangs

2006-04-21 10:42:12 am

Nono, even though only the organic parts get infected, those organic parts are still connected to the mechanic parts the same way they were when the host wasn't infected and the X can control them.

And yes, the X can register and process digital signals, as proved by Mega-X although it doesn't really process the data like Samus's suit would. However, that does not make them able to reproduce metallic substances.

nitetrain8

2006-04-28 12:58:01 am

I don't suppose its possible that the organic parts of her suit simply contain encoded instructions for how to build the inorgainic parts, something like using an otherwise useless string of dna to form a computer program or something...

A Silly Goose

2006-04-28 04:57:33 pm

Look, witty text!

For the instructions/blueprint of the inorganic parts of the suit to be encoded in the genetic coding of the organic parts, would certainly be the most likely means of storing such information in the Power Suit; assuming, of course, that the suit functions similarly to how I described it in an earlier post of mine.

Infamus

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Infamus: 2008-07-02 11:47:54 am

2008-07-02 11:37:49 am

I got two words to solve all your issues NEURAL INTERFACE. plus the energy base of the X allows them to further communicate with machinery
and about the coping of the varia... metal bonds are seas of electrons and organisms have ELECTRON CHAINS allowing them to move the stuff but for the metal they would need the knowledge of it from a manufacturing station. which they could easily have previously obtained

And why the hell does samus look SO much like Seproth on some the japanise endings?

TheGreenManalishi

2008-07-02 02:31:44 pm

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If she lost the Metroid vaccine, the SA-X she just absorbed would have killed her. Remember, the Metroids are the natural enemies of the X, not the other way around. I'm convinced that she merely absorbed the Ice Beam and the capacity to use the Ice Beam without it freezing her own body.

maybe it was like a matter/anti-matter thing. they destroy each other, even at a genetic level.

KennyMan666

2008-07-02 02:44:43 pm

Viking

Precursor

Infamus, I've told you twice already.

DO NOT BUMP TWO YEAR OLD TOPICS.

Consider this a warning.

playerman1230

2008-07-03 11:49:11 pm

Hated by all

Quote from KennyMan666:

DO NOT BUMP TWO YEAR OLD TOPICS.

Well, unless you make a seriously intelligent contribution to the thread.

And how the hell does the BOX have a brain from which the Wave X could take?

And besides, parts of the suit are tied to her body. Maybe the Varia and Gravity suit already held so much a threshold of high thermal suit energy that it was able to take the Ice Beam without complaints. And besides, Adam said in the logs "As for Ice Beam functionality, I DOUBT it", so there wasn't such a perfect guarantee that it wouldn't work.

Suits are usually an enhancing effect with new features (Can't explain how the regular Power Suit gets the new appearance).

tomatobob

2008-07-03 11:57:06 pm

One shall stand, one shall ball.

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Well, unless you make a seriously intelligent contribution to the thread.

Even then, if a topic is two years old, it's probably best to let it go.

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And how the hell does the BOX have a brain from which the Wave X could take?

A Core - X could access the download things, so it isn't like manipulating technology is unprecedented for them. And I think Adam mentions something about BOX having organic components which would make things really easy for the X.

Luna_Aran

2008-09-11 12:53:34 pm

Super Metroid Addict

Returning to topic...i researched a bit,and,in the metroid.wikia.org they call this suit Omega Fusion Suit,while some other sites call it X-Fusion Suit(wich makes me think of Samus as a porn star Embarassed

)
People call it the Phazon Suit because if you play metroid Prime with the Fusion suit,it's the scheme of the Phazon Suit..

BioSpark

2008-09-11 04:44:33 pm

Ok this is the second bump, I think the topic is dead.

JaggerG

2008-09-12 08:21:27 am

Shifty Leader

That M2k2 guy

Hold on a second, something's not right here....

Quote from Luna_Aran:

Returning to topic...i researched a bit,and,in the metroid.wikia.org they call this suit Omega Fusion Suit,while some other sites call it X-Fusion Suit(wich makes me think of Samus as a porn star Embarassed

)
People call it the Phazon Suit because if you play metroid Prime with the Fusion suit,it's the scheme of the Phazon Suit..

Omega Fusion Suit isn't exactly incorrect, it's just that it seems to be getting the name from the name of the final boss as opposed to the source. The X-Fusion Suit is probably the most descriptive.

As for Phazon Suit, that's just completely off-base. For one thing, the Fusion suit doesn't look like the Phazon Suit throughout the entire game. Secondly, it doesn't protect you from Phazon radiation until you get the ACTUAL Phazon Suit upgrade. This misnomer is akin to referring to Protoman as Darkman, and should not be tolerated in any sort of discussion.