The last Fusion suit

2005-11-10 08:37:20 pm

Quote from Smops:

The first 3 suits (fusion, varia and gravity) are all rather the same, but with some extra effects. They look exactly the same, except for colors, as starman pointed out. The last suit you get really does look different, atleast ingame. So I guess it's the original suit, before the operation, with some slight modification thanks to the X infection, the metroid vaccine, and the fact that she doesn't have the same body-suit anymore (since the surgury altered it.)

Your theory about how the last suit is the original before the operation is completely false.

This is the suit at the end it is exactly like every other Fusion suit except it has different collars.

SABERinBLUE

2005-11-10 08:40:27 pm

Cook of the Sea

Quote from Dark Samus X:

Quote from Smops:

The first 3 suits (fusion, varia and gravity) are all rather the same, but with some extra effects. They look exactly the same, except for colors, as starman pointed out. The last suit you get really does look different, atleast ingame. So I guess it's the original suit, before the operation, with some slight modification thanks to the X infection, the metroid vaccine, and the fact that she doesn't have the same body-suit anymore (since the surgury altered it.)

Your theory about how the last suit is the original before the operation is completely false.

This is the suit at the end it is exactly like every other Fusion suit except it has different collars.

Dark Samus X

2005-11-10 08:43:26 pm

Still incorrect because the suit before the operation was the Varia, and guess what she had already done Varia and then upgraded to Gravity.

You remember that green-yellow + purple suit that is the second you can play? It looked something like this, that is Varia in Fusion.

Ekarderif

2005-11-10 09:04:29 pm

Quote from Dark Samus X:

This is the suit at the end it is exactly like every other Fusion suit except it has different collars.

Any questions?

Zeke

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Zeke: 2009-04-21 12:59:27 pm

2005-11-10 09:40:20 pm

Time bomb set get out fast!

Just one. Can I have your autograph?

[EDIT: Reading some old posts here and I noticed that the picture is gone. For the benefit of anyone reading this thread now, Ekar had whipped up a picture of Samus's suits from Fusion with the collars emphasized.]

Dark Samus X

2005-11-10 09:57:52 pm

Quote from Zeke:

Just one. Can I have your autograph?

I like to have that autograph too but in Kanji.

spineshark

2005-11-10 10:55:44 pm

in the name of justice!

Quote from Ekarderif:

Quote from Dark Samus X:

This is the suit at the end it is exactly like every other Fusion suit except it has different collars.

Any questions?

My God, I take back everything bad I have ever and will ever say about you. That's not a joke.

Why the hell isn't the SA-X purple? Surely they wouldn't endorse that kind of...sequence breaking...

Laney

(user is banned)

2005-11-11 06:52:55 am

I have something different to add: How come that the galactic Federation has such a knowledge of Samus Suit? I mean, this is a real plot thing. We can see in Zero how Samus gets out of her suit to do toilet or something, but who built that ? Who has a knowledge of a Chozo Technology?

JaggerG

2005-11-11 07:30:19 am

Shifty Leader

That M2k2 guy

Probably Chozo Ghosts.

Dun dun dunnnnnnnn!

Zeke

2005-11-11 08:05:26 am

Time bomb set get out fast!

Phazon-infused Chozo ghosts.

Actually, I think Prime sort of answered this one. If the Space Pirates can reverse-engineer some of Samus's weapons without even having her suit on hand, surely the Federation's top scientists can do it too.

Starblade

2005-11-11 09:03:35 am

Quote:

That's not neccessarily true. The SA-X may have been have able to reproduce sexually.

It says in-game that they reproduce asexually, I think when Adam traps Samus in the Nav. Room.

As for how the Federation know so much of Samus' suit, they did remove several parts of it. Who's to say they didn't do a bit of research on it before shipping to BSL?

SABERinBLUE

2005-11-11 10:25:34 am

Cook of the Sea

Quote from Starblade:

Quote:

That's not neccessarily true. The SA-X may have been have able to reproduce sexually.

It says in-game that they reproduce asexually, I think when Adam traps Samus in the Nav. Room.

Well right, but it may have also been able to reproduce sexually. If it can mimic Samus's armor, jumping abilities, blasty arm, etc, that may not be too hard an ability to duplicate.

Talkin' bout love (dee doo dee nanananananana,) Talkin' bout love...

rain

2005-11-11 11:28:54 am

My question is, what happened to the hyper beam? Why didn't the Sa-X get that? I suppose it would have been harder to fight the only thing that could take out mother brain easily, aside from a giant mutated metroid.

DeathNoble

2005-11-11 11:47:16 am

Quote from SABERinBLUE:

Quote from StarmanHaxor:

Well we know the X reproduce asexually because... they are a freaking floating blobs, they cant reproduce sexually.

That's not neccessarily true. The SA-X may have been have able to reproduce sexually.

Doubt it. Remember at the beginning when the SA-X Super Missiled the door and knocked out the main elevator? the part where it zoomed up on her? Her eyes were balls. No actual pupils or anything like that, just balls. I think the Samus inside the suit part of the SA-X was kind of messed up.

StarmanHaxor

2005-11-11 12:34:28 pm

Quote from SABERinBLUE:

That's not neccessarily true. The SA-X may have been have able to reproduce sexually.

*throws up on his monitor screen*

SABERinBLUE

2005-11-11 01:01:17 pm

Cook of the Sea

Quote from DeathNoble:

Quote from SABERinBLUE:

Quote from StarmanHaxor:

Well we know the X reproduce asexually because... they are a freaking floating blobs, they cant reproduce sexually.

That's not neccessarily true. The SA-X may have been have able to reproduce sexually.

Doubt it. Remember at the beginning when the SA-X Super Missiled the door and knocked out the main elevator? the part where it zoomed up on her? Her eyes were balls. No actual pupils or anything like that, just balls. I think the Samus inside the suit part of the SA-X was kind of messed up.

That also may have been because it was an artist's rendering of a face behind a translucent visor and they wanted it to look creepy. The rest of the X mimicking enemies looked fine. The only exceptions were when they were infecting a preexisting lifeform, like the scientists. And the preexisting parts of the SA-X, the suit, look and work just fine. They would have just grown a Samus from the DNA of hers that they already had from infecting her.

Also, the zombie scientists didn't even have to look like that. When a Core-X infected the scientist and caused the meltdown, he looked fine.

[quote="DeathNoble"][quote="SABERinBLUE"][quote="StarmanHaxor"]Well we know the X reproduce asexually because... they are a freaking floating blobs, they cant reproduce sexually.[/quote]

That's not neccessarily true.  The SA-X may have been have able to reproduce sexually.[/quote]

Doubt it.  Remember at the beginning when the SA-X Super Missiled the door and knocked out the main elevator?  the part where it zoomed up on her?  Her eyes were balls.  No actual pupils or anything like that, just balls.  I think the Samus inside the suit part of the SA-X was kind of messed up.[/quote]

That also may have been because it was an artist's rendering of a face behind a translucent visor and they wanted it to look creepy.  The rest of the X mimicking enemies looked fine.  The only exceptions were when they were infecting a preexisting lifeform, like the scientists.  And the preexisting parts of the SA-X, the suit, look and work just fine.  They would have just grown a Samus from the DNA of hers that they already had from infecting her.

Also, the zombie scientists didn't even have to look like that.  When a Core-X infected the scientist and caused the meltdown, he looked fine.

Izo

2005-11-11 02:24:03 pm

soaking through

Ridley was pretty nastily mutated, Saber. I'm pretty sure the SA-X reproduced asexually, and even if they didn't, how would they mate onboard the space station?

SABERinBLUE

2005-11-11 03:15:39 pm

Cook of the Sea

I was going to mention Ridley but I couldn't remember how that went down. They had him frozen on the station, but he melted and...? It's been too long since I've played the game.

I'm not saying the X and the SA-X in particular can't reproduce asexually, that's certainly their main way of reproducing, but I don't see why the SA-X couldn't have done the nasty with an infected scientist.

Zeke

2005-11-11 03:24:46 pm

Time bomb set get out fast!

Quote from Izo:

Ridley was pretty nastily mutated, Saber. I'm pretty sure the SA-X reproduced asexually, and even if they didn't, how would they mate onboard the space station?

On the other hand, Ekarderif's point about the other bosses not having duplicates is a good one. I feel a little dumb for not thinking of that myself, actually. The simplest explanation would be that the X had Samus's DNA longer than they had everyone else's; cells take a certain length of time to divide, so the X would too.

Either way, I wouldn't rule out the possibility that Adam was lying. He deceived her on several occasions before his change of heart, and he had a logical reason to do so here -- he was trying to get Samus off the station as fast as possible. The final scenes make more sense that way too. Throughout the game we're told how intelligent the X are, especially the SA-X; if there were 10 of them, surely they'd have the sense to send more than one to intercept Samus.

(Another possibility is that Adam was just wrong. He might have overestimated how many SA-X there were. Even "perfect military minds" mess up sometimes.)

Finally, I'm with DeathNoble on the matter of SA-X guts. It's definitely not a human body inside the suit -- that's what makes that closeup so freaky.

[quote="Izo"]Ridley was pretty nastily mutated, Saber.  I'm pretty sure the SA-X reproduced asexually, and even if they didn't, how would they mate onboard the space station?[/quote]

On the other hand, Ekarderif's point about the other bosses not having duplicates is a good one.  I feel a little dumb for not thinking of that myself, actually.  The simplest explanation would be that the X had Samus's DNA longer than they had everyone else's; cells take a certain length of time to divide, so the X would too.

Either way, I wouldn't rule out the possibility that Adam was lying.  He deceived her on several occasions before his change of heart, and he had a logical reason to do so here -- he was trying to get Samus off the station as fast as possible.  The final scenes make more sense that way too.  Throughout the game we're told how intelligent the X are, especially the SA-X; if there were 10 of them, surely they'd have the sense to send more than one to intercept Samus.

(Another possibility is that Adam was just wrong.  He might have overestimated how many SA-X there were.  Even "perfect military minds" mess up sometimes.)

Finally, I'm with DeathNoble on the matter of SA-X guts.  It's definitely not a human body inside the suit -- that's what makes that closeup so freaky.

DeathNoble

2005-11-11 03:50:54 pm

Ridley was frozen in the Sub-Zero Containment room on the Main Deck. When the power went out and you entered into his side of the room, he woke up just in time to die from the X that infected him. The X flew off.

When you got to the actual battle, the X was mimicking the Ridley it infected perfectly, right down to the freezing part. But as soon as the Ridley-X woke up, it decided Ridley needed some improvements, and so it mutated Ridley a bit.

Same with the Slime Scientists. The X infect slime creatures, then infect humans. When the human dies, the X has the choice to morph into either form. So morphs into a human, but then decides that form sucks, so it adds a bit of slime DNA and boom! You got a Slime-Zombie-Scientist. So I'm willing to think that the Core X that was mimicking a crew member pefectly was only mimicking a human perfectly so it could operate the Coolant System.

Quote from Zeke:

On the other hand, Ekarderif's point about the other bosses not having duplicates is a good one. I feel a little dumb for not thinking of that myself, actually. The simplest explanation would be that the X had Samus's DNA longer than they had everyone else's; cells take a certain length of time to divide, so the X would too.

I'm inclined to agree.

Quote from Zeke:

(Another possibility is that Adam was just wrong. He might have overestimated how many SA-X there were. Even "perfect military minds" mess up sometimes.)

That's what I've always thought. That he over-estimated. I think there were only two. The one you fought at the end and the one you ended up absorbing were the same SA-X. The second died in the detachment of the restricted lab. There's no way that SA-X could've gotten out! It was being latched onto by three or four Metroids Larva!

Ridley was frozen in the Sub-Zero Containment room on the Main Deck.  When the power went out and you entered into his side of the room, he woke up just in time to die from the X that infected him.  The X flew off.

When you got to the actual battle, the X was mimicking the Ridley it infected perfectly, right down to the freezing part.  But as soon as the Ridley-X woke up, it decided Ridley needed some improvements, and so it mutated Ridley a bit.

Same with the Slime Scientists.  The X infect slime creatures, then infect humans.  When the human dies, the X has the choice to morph into either form.  So morphs into a human, but then decides that form sucks, so it adds a bit of slime DNA and boom!  You got a Slime-Zombie-Scientist.  So I'm willing to think that the Core X that was mimicking a crew member pefectly was only mimicking a human perfectly so it could operate the Coolant System.

[quote="Zeke"]On the other hand, Ekarderif's point about the other bosses not having duplicates is a good one. I feel a little dumb for not thinking of that myself, actually. The simplest explanation would be that the X had Samus's DNA longer than they had everyone else's; cells take a certain length of time to divide, so the X would too.[/quote]

I'm inclined to agree.

[quote="Zeke"](Another possibility is that Adam was just wrong. He might have overestimated how many SA-X there were. Even "perfect military minds" mess up sometimes.) [/quote]

That's what I've always thought.  That he over-estimated.  I think there were only two.  The one you fought at the end and the one you ended up absorbing were the same SA-X.  The second died in the detachment of the restricted lab.  There's no way that SA-X could've gotten out!  It was being latched onto by three or four Metroids Larva!

nate

2005-11-11 04:14:49 pm

Quote from Zeke:

On the other hand, Ekarderif's point about the other bosses not having duplicates is a good one. I feel a little dumb for not thinking of that myself, actually. The simplest explanation would be that the X had Samus's DNA longer than they had everyone else's; cells take a certain length of time to divide, so the X would too.

indeed, most bosses seem to form the moment before you fight them. only exceptions i can think of are serris-x, varfia (the varia suit boss), yakuza, nettori and nightmare, and most of those are toward the end of the game, too.

SABERinBLUE

2005-11-11 04:18:28 pm

Cook of the Sea

Nightmare doesn't count, right? I mean, it, like BOX, was a machine infected by the X, right?

Wasn't the same true of Serris as well?

nate

2005-11-11 04:29:40 pm

think they were all things present on the station infected by x. just a question of whether the x killed the original host and reformed later (at the moment you arrived) or not. actually, it's almost sounding like that if the former were true, then it would be more likely that there would be more than one of them ugh, english sucks!

DeathNoble

2005-11-11 04:38:28 pm

I seem to remember Adam saying Nightmare was both part machine and part organical. The Security Robot was infected the second time you faced him; at least that's what Adam said. And I'm willing to think that some of the bosses were creatures infected and then the host died, then the X reformed later. Like Serris and Ridley. Then the later ones were just infected creatures that died and released the X in them.

Chanoire

2005-11-11 05:40:07 pm

Quote from SABERinBLUE:

Well right, but it may have also been able to reproduce sexually. If it can mimic Samus's armor, jumping abilities, blasty arm, etc, that may not be too hard an ability to duplicate.

I'm not convinced that Samus herself would be able to reproduce after all her system's been through. Chozo infusion, X infection, metroid vaccine...seems like one or more of these could have rendered her infertile, not to mention other job hazards. And even if she is, I'd think that viable eggs would be on a totally different scale from jumping; many organisms have muscles but that doesn't make them cross-fertile. And wouldn't the blasty arm be part of the suit rather than organic?