[SM] Super Metroid: Cliffhanger [E]

2008-09-10 09:28:17 pm

Finished, Easy, 9:12, 64%, all Lore, saved Animals. Cheated a bit, though, so I'm pretty sure it doesn't count.

Epic hack, however.

Thanks for the help also, thread.

Steyiak

2008-09-11 05:46:08 am

I got the grapple beam and now I am in the ship where do I go now?

Opium

2008-09-11 06:37:25 am

Quote from Steyiak:

I got the grapple beam and now I am in the ship where do I go now?

where are you stuck? do you have a screenshot ?

Steyiak

2008-09-11 07:27:46 am

Quote from Opium:

Quote from Steyiak:

I got the grapple beam and now I am in the ship where do I go now?

where are you stuck? do you have a screenshot ?

I don't know where to go after the grapple beam on easy version.

DMantra

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2008-09-11 08:00:12 am

Breathe in the Future, Breathe out the Past

Quote from Steyiak:

I got the grapple beam and now I am in the ship where do I go now?

you'll want to head right of the ship.

remember the room on the way to red juolbrin? investigate.

ZephyrZx

2008-09-11 01:04:51 pm

Quote from SeraphSight:

ok, so I found a path right after posting, but the door barely a screen past it seems to be unreachable without some of those advanced moves that I am horrible at doing, specifically, a speed-boosted morphball form. I'm sure i got the easy version so i shouldn't need to do that, right?

edit: nvm, i'm a moron for posting too fast about it.

try that thing in the hard version, and feel the pain xd

uNsane

2008-09-11 06:18:22 pm

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Quote from Mew2King:

I just got done doing Hells Run (I used 1 tank, I didn't know you could have 2 tanks to do it) and speed booster. I went up the elevator to the far left. It looks like I'm supposed to bomb jump back through the fall I came from, but I dunno how to do it without hitting one of those 4 flying beetles. I'm thinking bomb jump up, but doing weird angled bomb jumps out of a wall jump only lets me do it like once or twice, it wouldn't be enough to get up there. I'm thinking I'm on the right track, but not positive.

also for future reference, how do you do spoilers?

Your question was answered in the post literally right above yours; make sure you look for answers to your questions before asking them.

You need to kill Kraid next, who can be reached from the elevator room between Juolbrin and Keruarn.

And to use spoiler tags, you can type [spoiler]text between the tags[/spoiler] tags to achieve this affect:

text between the tags

or you can use [spoiler=text]text between the tags[/spoiler] to get this:

text between the tags

[quote="Mew2King"]
I just got done doing Hells Run (I used 1 tank, I didn't know you could have 2 tanks to do it) and speed booster.  I went up the elevator to the far left.  It looks like I'm supposed to bomb jump back through the fall I came from, but I dunno how to do it without hitting one of those 4 flying beetles.  I'm thinking bomb jump up, but doing weird angled bomb jumps out of a wall jump only lets me do it like once or twice, it wouldn't be enough to get up there.  I'm thinking I'm on the right track, but not positive.

also for future reference, how do you do spoilers?
[/quote]Your question was answered in the post literally right above yours; make sure you look for answers to your questions before asking them.

[spoiler]You need to kill Kraid next, who can be reached from the elevator room between Juolbrin and Keruarn.[/spoiler]

And to use spoiler tags, you can type [sp[i][/i]oiler]text between the tags[/spoiler] tags to achieve this affect:[spoiler]text between the tags[/spoiler]or you can use [sp[i][/i]oiler=text]text between the tags[/spoiler] to get this:[spoiler="text"]text between the tags[/spoiler]

ampbains

2008-09-11 07:03:07 pm

I think I'm in way over my head here with this game. :) I'm playing the easy version, and I've gotten the morphing ball, the 1st energy tank, and the 1st missile pack. I'm not sure where to go at this point. I took the elevator back up to Surripere and I'm stuck between the gray doors. I found the breakable blocks in the floor that take you down to a few space pirates. After I kill them, is it a matter of doing a well timed mid air morph to go back up through the ceiling / floor the way I came down?

Opium

2008-09-11 07:21:11 pm

Quote from ampbains:

I think I'm in way over my head here with this game. :) I'm playing the easy version, and I've gotten the morphing ball, the 1st energy tank, and the 1st missile pack. I'm not sure where to go at this point. I took the elevator back up to Surripere and I'm stuck between the gray doors. I found the breakable blocks in the floor that take you down to a few space pirates. After I kill them, is it a matter of doing a well timed mid air morph to go back up through the ceiling / floor the way I came down?

yes, wall-jump to mid-air morph to get back up (after you've killed all of the pirates in the lower part of the room)

Acheron

2008-09-11 10:48:20 pm

Acclaimed Threshold

Constant Sorrows

Quote from ampbains:

I think I'm in way over my head here with this game. :) I'm playing the easy version, and I've gotten the morphing ball, the 1st energy tank, and the 1st missile pack. I'm not sure where to go at this point. I took the elevator back up to Surripere and I'm stuck between the gray doors. I found the breakable blocks in the floor that take you down to a few space pirates. After I kill them, is it a matter of doing a well timed mid air morph to go back up through the ceiling / floor the way I came down?

Yeah, and on easy mode that's probably about the hardest trick there is. :P

Steyiak

2008-09-12 05:18:07 pm

How do I go back to the wrecked ship after I get out of it?
The door I went in before is locked.

uNsane

2008-09-12 05:19:43 pm

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Quote from Steyiak:

How do I go back to the wrecked ship after I get out of it?
The door I went in before is locked.

It's impossible to get back into that section of Eldridge; the only way is forward.

Steyiak

2008-09-13 03:08:10 am

Where do I go after the power bombs?

DMantra

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2008-09-13 04:36:08 am

Breathe in the Future, Breathe out the Past

Quote from Steyiak:

Where do I go after the power bombs?

After powerbombs you'll want to blow up the noob tube.

Steyiak

2008-09-14 09:32:30 am

Where do I go after the plasma beam?

Acheron

2008-09-14 11:54:21 am

Acclaimed Threshold

Constant Sorrows

Quote from Steyiak:

Where do I go after the plasma beam?

Plasma beam is optional and doesn't open up any new paths, so you'll need to be more specific about what items you DO have.

DMantra

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2008-09-14 01:08:10 pm

Breathe in the Future, Breathe out the Past

Well if you got plasma, you have springball.
Go far east in Keruarn if you haven't used springball there yet.

ChozunSDA

2008-09-14 11:43:48 pm

How many tanks do I need for the second heated section? Jut got SM's and I have 199 energy. *Shrug*

Hard difficulty!

DMantra

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2008-09-15 12:35:10 am

Breathe in the Future, Breathe out the Past

Quote from ChozunSDA:

How many tanks do I need for the second heated section? Jut got SM's and I have 199 energy. *Shrug*

Hard difficulty!

You'll want at least 4 tanks. I think it can be done with 3 but that would be making things hard on yourself.

mangoman

2008-09-16 09:29:46 pm

Hiya. I created an account just to leave my comments about the hack, so here goes:

Just finished it on Easy, 12:35, 86%, 3 Lores found, didn't save animals. My first inclination was to dislike the hack, since the general layout was very similar to the original game, but it grew on me after a while. I couldn't care less about the "story" but the environments were so incredibly well designed that I have to applaud you for them.

My one major gripe is that it is apparently impossible to get back into the upper area of the wrecked ship. This wouldn't be a huge problem, except that there is absolutely no indication that this is so. I must have spent a good three hours looking for another entrance, eager to explore areas I passed by since I assumed, like any normal metroid player would, that "I can always come back later to explore the rest". Finally growing frustrated, I surfed this topic looking for info on how to get back in, only to finally find someone about 20 pages in saying it was impossible. For an otherwise amazing hack, this is just plain mean, and I really can't understand why you'd do that. I like exploring every nook and cranny, and to arbitrarily deny me that because I happened to explore areas in the wrong order really annoys me.

Other than that, I loved the hack. I'm tempted to try it on hard, but I'm terrible at bomb jumping, and quite poor at mock/speed ball. Should I even bother trying? I refuse to use any sort of speed manipulation to beat the game, so if it's going to be so hard that I'd be forced to do it, I'd rather just not make the initial effort.

Anyway, thanks for making such a great hack! I hope to see more work from you in the future.

Hiya. I created an account just to leave my comments about the hack, so here goes:

Just finished it on Easy, 12:35, 86%, 3 Lores found, didn't save animals.  My first inclination was to dislike the hack, since the general layout was very similar to the original game, but it grew on me after a while.  I couldn't care less about the "story" but the environments were so incredibly well designed that I have to applaud you for them.

My one major gripe is that it is apparently impossible to get back into the upper area of the wrecked ship.  This wouldn't be a huge problem, except that there is absolutely no indication that this is so.  I must have spent a good three hours looking for another entrance, eager to explore areas I passed by since I assumed, like any normal metroid player would, that "I can always come back later to explore the rest".  Finally growing frustrated, I surfed this topic looking for info on how to get back in, only to finally find someone about 20 pages in saying it was impossible.  For an otherwise amazing hack, this is just plain mean, and I really can't understand why you'd do that.  I like exploring every nook and cranny, and to arbitrarily deny me that because I happened to explore areas in the wrong order really annoys me.

Other than that, I loved the hack.  I'm tempted to try it on hard, but I'm terrible at bomb jumping, and quite poor at mock/speed ball.  Should I even bother trying?  I refuse to use any sort of speed manipulation to beat the game, so if it's going to be so hard that I'd be forced to do it, I'd rather just not make the initial effort.

Anyway, thanks for making such a great hack! I hope to see more work from you in the future.

Acheron

2008-09-16 09:32:52 pm

Acclaimed Threshold

Constant Sorrows

mangoman: here's a vid with some of the truly "hard" tricks.

DMantra

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2008-09-16 09:36:16 pm

Breathe in the Future, Breathe out the Past

Quote from mangoman:

Hiya. I created an account just to leave my comments about the hack, so here goes:

Just finished it on Easy, 12:35, 86%, 3 Lores found, didn't save animals. My first inclination was to dislike the hack, since the general layout was very similar to the original game, but it grew on me after a while. I couldn't care less about the "story" but the environments were so incredibly well designed that I have to applaud you for them.

My one major gripe is that it is apparently impossible to get back into the upper area of the wrecked ship. This wouldn't be a huge problem, except that there is absolutely no indication that this is so. I must have spent a good three hours looking for another entrance, eager to explore areas I passed by since I assumed, like any normal metroid player would, that "I can always come back later to explore the rest". Finally growing frustrated, I surfed this topic looking for info on how to get back in, only to finally find someone about 20 pages in saying it was impossible. For an otherwise amazing hack, this is just plain mean, and I really can't understand why you'd do that. I like exploring every nook and cranny, and to arbitrarily deny me that because I happened to explore areas in the wrong order really annoys me.

Other than that, I loved the hack. I'm tempted to try it on hard, but I'm terrible at bomb jumping, and quite poor at mock/speed ball. Should I even bother trying? I refuse to use any sort of speed manipulation to beat the game, so if it's going to be so hard that I'd be forced to do it, I'd rather just not make the initial effort.

Anyway, thanks for making such a great hack! I hope to see more work from you in the future.

Thanks for playing/enjoying cliffhanger!
That whole issue with upper WS being a one time thing did have a reason. It was because I destroyed the second state of the large room, thus ruining ever going back there after you defeat phantoon. I'm sorry it had to be that way, but in the end it gave me the idea to make WS bigger.

[quote="mangoman"]
Hiya. I created an account just to leave my comments about the hack, so here goes:

Just finished it on Easy, 12:35, 86%, 3 Lores found, didn't save animals.  My first inclination was to dislike the hack, since the general layout was very similar to the original game, but it grew on me after a while.  I couldn't care less about the "story" but the environments were so incredibly well designed that I have to applaud you for them.

My one major gripe is that it is apparently impossible to get back into the upper area of the wrecked ship.  This wouldn't be a huge problem, except that there is absolutely no indication that this is so.  I must have spent a good three hours looking for another entrance, eager to explore areas I passed by since I assumed, like any normal metroid player would, that "I can always come back later to explore the rest".  Finally growing frustrated, I surfed this topic looking for info on how to get back in, only to finally find someone about 20 pages in saying it was impossible.  For an otherwise amazing hack, this is just plain mean, and I really can't understand why you'd do that.  I like exploring every nook and cranny, and to arbitrarily deny me that because I happened to explore areas in the wrong order really annoys me.

Other than that, I loved the hack.  I'm tempted to try it on hard, but I'm terrible at bomb jumping, and quite poor at mock/speed ball.  Should I even bother trying?  I refuse to use any sort of speed manipulation to beat the game, so if it's going to be so hard that I'd be forced to do it, I'd rather just not make the initial effort.

Anyway, thanks for making such a great hack! I hope to see more work from you in the future.  
[/quote]

Thanks for playing/enjoying cliffhanger! 
That whole issue with upper WS being a one time thing did have a reason. It was because I destroyed the second state of the large room, thus ruining ever going back there after you defeat phantoon. I'm sorry it had to be that way, but in the end it gave me the idea to make WS bigger.

mangoman

2008-09-16 09:48:48 pm

Quote from DMantra:

Quote from mangoman:

Hiya. I created an account just to leave my comments about the hack, so here goes:

Just finished it on Easy, 12:35, 86%, 3 Lores found, didn't save animals. My first inclination was to dislike the hack, since the general layout was very similar to the original game, but it grew on me after a while. I couldn't care less about the "story" but the environments were so incredibly well designed that I have to applaud you for them.

My one major gripe is that it is apparently impossible to get back into the upper area of the wrecked ship. This wouldn't be a huge problem, except that there is absolutely no indication that this is so. I must have spent a good three hours looking for another entrance, eager to explore areas I passed by since I assumed, like any normal metroid player would, that "I can always come back later to explore the rest". Finally growing frustrated, I surfed this topic looking for info on how to get back in, only to finally find someone about 20 pages in saying it was impossible. For an otherwise amazing hack, this is just plain mean, and I really can't understand why you'd do that. I like exploring every nook and cranny, and to arbitrarily deny me that because I happened to explore areas in the wrong order really annoys me.

Other than that, I loved the hack. I'm tempted to try it on hard, but I'm terrible at bomb jumping, and quite poor at mock/speed ball. Should I even bother trying? I refuse to use any sort of speed manipulation to beat the game, so if it's going to be so hard that I'd be forced to do it, I'd rather just not make the initial effort.

Anyway, thanks for making such a great hack! I hope to see more work from you in the future.

Thanks for playing/enjoying cliffhanger!
That whole issue with upper WS being a one time thing did have a reason. It was because I destroyed the second state of the large room, thus ruining ever going back there after you defeat phantoon. I'm sorry it had to be that way, but in the end it gave me the idea to make WS bigger.

Cool, so long as there was a reason, and it wasn't just to make me waste time looking for something that wasn't there. May I suggest putting some kind of warning somewhere telling people it's impossible? Since I saw a lot of people in the topic asking the same thing, I would imagine I wasn't the only one who got frustrated by this. Considering it is rather unique to have a one-time area (and one as large as that area was), I am sure many people, like myself, did not even consider the fact that it was impossible to return.

And, looking at the video of the hard version, much of that stuff doesn't seem to be beyond my abilities. I'm rather good at wall jumping, at the very least. However, I didn't see much stuff involving bomb jumping. Am I going to have to do stuff like precisely controlled infinite or horizontal bomb jumping? I hate bomb jumping with an undying passion, so if there's a lot of it I don't think I'm going to bother.

Once again, thanks for the hack, and for the quick reply to my questions.

[quote="DMantra"]
[quote="mangoman"]
Hiya. I created an account just to leave my comments about the hack, so here goes:

Just finished it on Easy, 12:35, 86%, 3 Lores found, didn't save animals.  My first inclination was to dislike the hack, since the general layout was very similar to the original game, but it grew on me after a while.  I couldn't care less about the "story" but the environments were so incredibly well designed that I have to applaud you for them.

My one major gripe is that it is apparently impossible to get back into the upper area of the wrecked ship.  This wouldn't be a huge problem, except that there is absolutely no indication that this is so.  I must have spent a good three hours looking for another entrance, eager to explore areas I passed by since I assumed, like any normal metroid player would, that "I can always come back later to explore the rest".  Finally growing frustrated, I surfed this topic looking for info on how to get back in, only to finally find someone about 20 pages in saying it was impossible.  For an otherwise amazing hack, this is just plain mean, and I really can't understand why you'd do that.  I like exploring every nook and cranny, and to arbitrarily deny me that because I happened to explore areas in the wrong order really annoys me.

Other than that, I loved the hack.  I'm tempted to try it on hard, but I'm terrible at bomb jumping, and quite poor at mock/speed ball.  Should I even bother trying?  I refuse to use any sort of speed manipulation to beat the game, so if it's going to be so hard that I'd be forced to do it, I'd rather just not make the initial effort.

Anyway, thanks for making such a great hack! I hope to see more work from you in the future.  
[/quote]

Thanks for playing/enjoying cliffhanger! 
That whole issue with upper WS being a one time thing did have a reason. It was because I destroyed the second state of the large room, thus ruining ever going back there after you defeat phantoon. I'm sorry it had to be that way, but in the end it gave me the idea to make WS bigger. 
[/quote]

Cool, so long as there was a reason, and it wasn't just to make me waste time looking for something that wasn't there.  May I suggest putting some kind of warning somewhere telling people it's impossible?  Since I saw a lot of people in the topic asking the same thing, I would imagine I wasn't the only one who got frustrated by this.  Considering it is rather unique to have a one-time area (and one as large as that area was), I am sure many people, like myself, did not even consider the fact that it was impossible to return.

And, looking at the video of the hard version, much of that stuff doesn't seem to be beyond my abilities.  I'm rather good at wall jumping, at the very least.  However, I didn't see much stuff involving bomb jumping.  Am I going to have to do stuff like precisely controlled infinite or horizontal bomb jumping?  I hate bomb jumping with an undying passion, so if there's a lot of it I  don't think I'm going to bother.

Once again, thanks for the hack, and for the quick reply to my questions.

DMantra

(user is banned)

2008-09-16 09:59:25 pm

Breathe in the Future, Breathe out the Past

My only indication that the place was shut down for good was that gray door.
I also made sure you can't miss any items forever.
The etank under the bridge shows up somewhere else if you didn't grab it.
Shame you can only get the Eldridge lore once though..

uNsane

2008-09-16 10:52:53 pm

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Quote from mangoman:

Am I going to have to do stuff like precisely controlled infinite or horizontal bomb jumping?

If you can do IBJ, then you don't need HBJ. However, there is one part where you have to precisely control an IBJ up a shaft with flashing water; "not fun" is a phrase that comes immediately to mind.