{SPOILERS! dont even open if u dont want any] Possible hole in the story....

2010-09-27 06:28:01 pm

Im just curious about something. it never fully explains why adam loses communication with samus during the Ridley fight. At the very end of the game when you find adams helmet it flashes back to adam watching the monitors while samus tells MB to "stay here" and then he runs off. At first i thought that was the explanation but that doesnt happen until after the ridley fight. I then watched all the CGs again and noticed what looked like an earpiece fly off of adam during the ridley fight. During the time its supposed to look like he was attacked by the deleter, but there was never any conclusion wether adam had any rough encounters with the deleter. So i guess i just wanna know WTF happened?

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TheNomad44

2010-09-27 07:00:02 pm

The wandering Space Dragon

I noticed this as well. My only thought is that he either killed the deleter, or he scared him off, but the earpiece broke when it hit the floor. Remember, the deleter is never found, though it appears to be K.G. as he is the only one not found dead, aside from Anthony, who is obviously not the deleter.

KingBroly

2010-09-27 07:03:17 pm

I'm guessing the deleter ran off. Since he didn't kill him by surprise like everyone else, he probably didn't want to be compromised. If Adam found out who he was, he could've easily told Samus later (if you go by the rest of the plot).

sabata2

2010-09-27 07:22:27 pm

ANKOKU

The deleter was not KG. KG was the one who was dropped into the lava.

TheNomad44

2010-09-27 07:37:12 pm

The wandering Space Dragon

Why do I feel like I missed this scene...? Oh wait, I think I remember it now.

kesvalk

2010-09-27 07:50:04 pm

Indie Lover

the deleter was james, he is found dead after trying to kill MB...

and i think that is what samus thought it happened, i still think there is something fishy on adam going alone inside sector zero and killing itself for nothing...

sabata2

2010-09-27 07:51:19 pm

ANKOKU

We can only hope Kes. We can only hope...

KingBroly

2010-09-27 08:02:16 pm

I get myself hung up on that planet they showed during the credit. You never see it anywhere else in the game, and you're given the impression throughout that this is a remote part of space with nothing near it. It's got to play some significance in an upcoming game.

Zeke

2010-09-27 10:40:15 pm

Time bomb set get out fast!

People. It's so obvious. The Deleter was --

[10 minutes later] Wow. I kept adding line after line of BS here until it became a spoof fanfic I've gotta write. So now I can't say anything here because that would spoil it. Dang.

Anyway, I've got another plot hole. It's not unresolvable, but it's noticeable. When Samus ponders what MB is telling her, she figures Adam's arrival made the situation unstable, so the Federation installed a Deleter in Adam's unit. How the heck could they do that after the team arrived?

Hitaka

2010-09-27 10:58:59 pm

Phoenix

I'm guessing the nameless colonel knew James was loyal to him and contacted him on a private channel or something.

UchihaSasuke

2010-09-27 11:41:33 pm

my umbrella goes directly to Bankai

everything was proceeding according to keikaku but Samus showed up and messed up the deleter's keikaku, so he had to use extreme measures and start killing the other members.
as for Adam dying to save samus, i'm guessing he was part of the keikaku in some capacity but decided to abandon it midway though it because of Samus presence and she being in danger. he probably decided it was best to take some info with his life instead of sticking around and face the guys who sent the deleter. he's a dude who makes not so obvious decisions.

*translator's note: keikaku means plan.

Hitaka

Edit history:

Hitaka: 2010-09-28 12:04:44 am

2010-09-28 12:03:18 am

Phoenix

KingBroly

2010-09-28 01:11:26 am

I'm guessing it was pure speculation by Samus. That, or terrible localization.

Since I'm all about how terrible the localization is in Other M, I'm going with that.

UchihaSasuke

2010-09-28 01:17:14 am

my umbrella goes directly to Bankai

speaking of the unnamed general...

man, that guy was very annoying. i wanted to shoot him.

TheMG2

2010-09-28 06:33:24 am

If you look in the cutscene before the escape sequence, you'll notice that Adam actually doesn't have his comm on. So it isn't Samus's imagination. Adam must have scared him off. (BTW: Its James, they both have a fade 7)

KingBroly

2010-09-28 06:39:21 am

That guy has huge ears.

Zeke

2010-09-28 11:23:06 pm

Time bomb set get out fast!

When that guy appeared, my first thought was Admiral Dane. I wish they really had used him. He seemed like a nice enough guy in Prime 3, but that's because he had no personality to speak of. Using an established character would've given the corruption in the Federation a little sting, and besides, any Trek fan knows that admirals are always evil.

I have another theory about the Deleter that does have him "installed" after the fact. We never see the guy's face, so what if he wasn't a team member at all? He could have been sent after Adam and Samus in some stealth ship and killed the whole team, then either escaped or fallen victim to MB. She could have fed his corpse to the Queen and then kicked it or something. (By the way: very disappointed that Ridley's corpse didn't collapse on contact. Very, very disappointed.)

Speaking of the Metroid Queen, there's another plot hole. In the confusing scene that cuts between Madeline talking and Samus summarizing what she said, we first hear that the Queen evolved on its own, surprising the researchers. But then we're told that MB, after her takeover, managed to create a Queen. Which is it, and how did it get out of the Impact Crater?

But the biggest plot hole, as far as I'm concerned, is Adam's suicide mission. I competely buy him choosing Samus' life over his own, but why did he think he would last long enough to do any damage? Even if he could do ZM-style perfect stealth, he would attract attention as soon as he started shooting -- and he didn't even bring his helmet. What exactly was he gonna do if a Metroid ate him?

This, again, can be rationalized. (Anything can be. First trick a Trekkie learns.) But it would be far better if the game had told us just a little bit more, enough that his actions would make sense. Maybe he was gonna shoot some major system like the power generator or something. I don't care if it's technobabble, I just wanna hear it.

When that guy appeared, my first thought was Admiral Dane.  I wish they really had used him.  He seemed like a nice enough guy in Prime 3, but that's because he had no personality to speak of.  Using an established character would've given the corruption in the Federation a little sting, and besides, any Trek fan knows that admirals are always evil.

I have another theory about the Deleter that does have him "installed" after the fact.  We never see the guy's face, so what if he wasn't a team member at all?  He could have been sent after Adam and Samus in some stealth ship and killed the whole team, then either escaped or fallen victim to MB.  She could have fed his corpse to the Queen and then kicked it or something.  (By the way: very disappointed that Ridley's corpse didn't collapse on contact. Very, very disappointed.)

Speaking of the Metroid Queen, there's another plot hole.  In the confusing scene that cuts between Madeline talking and Samus summarizing what she said, we first hear that the Queen evolved on its own, surprising the researchers.  But then we're told that MB, after her takeover, managed to create a Queen.  Which is it, and how did it get out of the Impact Crater?

But the [i]biggest[/i] plot hole, as far as I'm concerned, is Adam's suicide mission.  I competely buy him choosing Samus' life over his own, but why did he think he would [i]last long enough[/i] to do any damage?  Even if he could do ZM-style perfect stealth, he would attract attention as soon as he started shooting -- and he didn't even bring his helmet. What exactly was he gonna do if a Metroid ate him?

This, again, can be rationalized. ([i]Anything[/i] can be. First trick a Trekkie learns.) But it would be far better if the game had told us just a little bit more, enough that his actions would make sense. Maybe he was gonna shoot some major system like the power generator or something. I don't care if it's technobabble, I just wanna hear it.

UchihaSasuke

2010-09-28 11:30:13 pm

my umbrella goes directly to Bankai

that was bad regarding the Queen. i kinda caught it the second time i watched that cutscene. i assumed she meant that MB created the metroid that eventually became a queen since it needed special DNA according to Samus. probably the artifact seal malfunctioned and it escaped for a bit of fresh air.

adam's solution wasn't very satisfying, especially since he dies off screen. i also wondered why they didn't just toss some grenades and locked the door. that would trigger the alarms surely...

KingBroly

2010-09-28 11:34:12 pm

How did what get out of the Impact Crater? There was no Queen on Tallon IV. I thought the Queen was a control Metroid, that wasn't enhanced in any way.

UchihaSasuke

Edit history:

UchihaSasuke: 2010-09-28 11:39:50 pm

2010-09-28 11:39:10 pm

my umbrella goes directly to Bankai

it is a reference to a plot hole in mp1.
the 0-00 release has some scans that state that the artifacts were used to seal Metroid Prime inside the impact crater to stop its rampage. some other scans say that pirates encountered MP and that it stole some of their weapons (that's why it can use ice/wave/plasma/power shields). you can guess where the epic failure took place.
in later versions, they changed those pirate scans to eliminate the plot hole but they still left a plot hole since now there's no explanation of how MP obtained the beam powers.

KingBroly

2010-09-28 11:50:34 pm

Oh yeah. They never said the Queen was taken to/from Sector Zero though. Well, maybe they did. It's a lot of exposition. I assumed all Metroids were grown in that lab (namely the room filled with green gas) and then taken to Sector Zero.

Metroid_Zelda Fan

2010-09-29 12:44:56 am

I thought the whole "metroid turning into a queen" thing was complete luck, and MB just sort of made sure it matured into queenhood when she found out.

Zeke

2010-09-29 04:02:10 am

Time bomb set get out fast!

Yeah, again, that's a good rationalization. It's even the one I had in mind. (Better that than a second Queen in Sector 0.) It's just too bad the game was careless enough that we have to rationalize at all. I'm starting to agree with Broly about the localization being weak.

Quote from UchihaSasuke:

probably the artifact seal malfunctioned and it escaped for a bit of fresh air.

I love it when a gag comes together.

KingBroly

2010-09-29 04:35:37 am

Metroids, the Freshmaker.

Daiz

2010-09-29 05:55:30 am

Quote from Zeke:

But the biggest plot hole, as far as I'm concerned, is Adam's suicide mission. I competely buy him choosing Samus' life over his own, but why did he think he would last long enough to do any damage? Even if he could do ZM-style perfect stealth, he would attract attention as soon as he started shooting -- and he didn't even bring his helmet. What exactly was he gonna do if a Metroid ate him?

This, again, can be rationalized. (Anything can be. First trick a Trekkie learns.) But it would be far better if the game had told us just a little bit more, enough that his actions would make sense. Maybe he was gonna shoot some major system like the power generator or something. I don't care if it's technobabble, I just wanna hear it.

The suicide mission doesn't really make any sense no matter how you look at it. Samus could have probably just enabled power bombs and the gravity ~~suit~~ effect, go lay some powerbombs at the entrance to cause humongous structural damage to the sector and space jump out of there while the sector detaches.

Basically, Adam's "sacrifice" was for absolutely nothing.

[quote="Zeke"]But the [i]biggest[/i] plot hole, as far as I'm concerned, is Adam's suicide mission.  I competely buy him choosing Samus' life over his own, but why did he think he would [i]last long enough[/i] to do any damage?  Even if he could do ZM-style perfect stealth, he would attract attention as soon as he started shooting -- and he didn't even bring his helmet. What exactly was he gonna do if a Metroid ate him?

This, again, can be rationalized. ([i]Anything[/i] can be. First trick a Trekkie learns.) But it would be far better if the game had told us just a little bit more, enough that his actions would make sense. Maybe he was gonna shoot some major system like the power generator or something. I don't care if it's technobabble, I just wanna hear it.[/quote]

The suicide mission doesn't really make any sense no matter how you look at it. Samus could have probably just enabled power bombs and the gravity [s]suit[/s] effect, go lay some powerbombs at the entrance to cause humongous structural damage to the sector and space jump out of there while the sector detaches.

Basically, Adam's "sacrifice" was for absolutely nothing.