sequence breaking [locked]

2006-12-19 02:21:52 pm

come here to tell me any sequence breaks you find 'cos i'd like to know some

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2006-12-19 02:29:28 pm

Fusion has no sequence breaks. That is why it's stupid.

0nless you count bob, but that can't be done without tool-assistance.

Riplight

2006-12-19 02:51:48 pm

Fusion is not stupid. :x
But, yes, there are no Sb's in Fusion that acutally give you an early item. This allows you to fight Nettori before Yakuza, but you are not given the plasma beam early. Same for all other "sequence breaks" (which they aren't) in this game, I believe.

I prefer to consider bob a half SB because technically, he's supposed to be mandatory. In order to do this, (as of right now, at least. Wink

) you need Tool Assistance.

nate

2006-12-19 07:40:46 pm

ice beam backwards is also cool (bad-um, chinggg).

spidey-widey

2006-12-19 09:47:03 pm

@Riplight: Skipping bob doesn't require tool assistance, as I've learned from getting about 4 frames off on my SP. It just took about six months (not straight playing, of course; I have a life).

Yoshi348

2006-12-19 09:53:17 pm

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Ready and willing.

You're assuming this isn't asymptotic.

arkarian

2006-12-19 09:53:46 pm

red chamber dream

Quote from spidey-widey:

@Riplight: Skipping bob doesn't require tool assistance, as I've learned from getting about 4 frames off on my SP.

rotfl. So you're saying that because you weren't able to do it, it's possible? Many people have gotten within one or two frames iirc, and most everyone still thinks it's not humanly possible.

Personally, I believe it is, but I'm certainly not the one to try and do it.

Riplight

2006-12-19 09:59:51 pm

Quote from Riplight:

(as of right now, at least. Wink

)

I think it still would be really hard without it though. I'm not exactly the person to ask, though.

Nate-Um, what?

spidey-widey

2006-12-19 11:54:20 pm

@Ark: That wasn't quite what I meant. I know it's humanly possible by getting 4 frames off because I saw a part for a little improvement in my execution of it, when landing on the top ledge (I spun in the air for a bit before landing on the ledge). When I did the down-up-right (when you first hold the spark), I did it a little slower than I had before that.

I don't think anyone I know of has come within 3 frames. I think the other closest one I heard was Wassup Dawgs, with about 6 frames off, on an emulator (he didn't use emulator tools, but he had the advantage of being able to press several buttons at once).

I am now 100% positive skipping bob is humanly possible. (However, that doesn't mean anyone will do it anytime soon.)

metroid maniac

2006-12-20 04:30:10 am

how do we know that there is no sequence breaks? we've found secret wordls id prime when we thought it was impossible. why can't we do that for sequence breaking in fuison?

Chanoire

2006-12-20 05:13:17 am

Because Fusion is programmed completely differently in that regard. It's built around a very linear storyline, and tracks what items/abilities to give you based on where you are in that storyline. When you get a powerup, the game doesn't decide what to give you based on what item is supposed to be available at that location, it looks up how many events you've done and gives you the next in line. None of the items are actually "there" (remember, they're all downloads or absorptions, not items sitting on a statue), they're just signals that you're to get the next thing, whether or not that's what's supposed to be gotten there. Everything is event-driven, not location-driven like most of the items in other games.

You know how in Super Metroid the energy tank in the Wrecked Ship isn't there until after you defeat Phantoon? Fusion is like that, only for everything. Items from later in the story sequence than you've reached yet just aren't there. When people have gotten things out of order, they usually get a message like "level 1 hatches unlocked". (I don't remember if this is always the case.)

This is true for the expansions, too. Getting a power bomb expansion before you download the power bomb data in the course of the story will increase your carrying capacity, but won't actually give you the bombs.

Because Fusion is programmed completely differently in that regard.  It's built around a very linear storyline, and tracks what items/abilities to give you based on where you are in that storyline.  When you get a powerup, the game doesn't decide what to give you based on what item is supposed to be available at that location, it looks up how many events you've done and gives you the next in line.  None of the items are actually "there" (remember, they're all downloads or absorptions, not items sitting on a statue), they're just signals that you're to get the next thing, whether or not that's what's supposed to be gotten there.  Everything is event-driven, not location-driven like most of the items in other games.

You know how in Super Metroid the energy tank in the Wrecked Ship isn't there until after you defeat Phantoon?  Fusion is like that, only for [i]everything[/i].  Items from later in the story sequence than you've reached yet just aren't there.  When people have gotten things out of order, they usually get a message like "level 1 hatches unlocked".  (I don't remember if this is always the case.)

This is true for the expansions, too.  Getting a power bomb expansion before you download the power bomb data in the course of the story will increase your carrying capacity, but won't actually give you the bombs.

P.JMan

2006-12-20 05:54:19 am

I like Big Butts and I can not lie

A lot of this talk was in the single wall jump sticky, but I'll give you my sum-up

If you skip a boss and go to Adam he says "Target Eradicated"
If you skip a boss and go to the next one, when you beat it you unlock the most recently unlocked security doors and you can refight the boss as much as you want
If you fight a boss with the bosses own power-up the boss won't appear
Expantions are expantions, not items, getting one increaces your ammo but does not give you Power Bombs/Missiles

That's all I can think of at the moment

Dragonfangs

2006-12-20 06:04:48 am

If you skip lowering the water in AQA after Serris, Adam says "Empty", in green.

Riplight

2006-12-20 09:17:49 am

Aw. I'd wished something would happen if someone single wall-jumped out of there. Can you get a screenshot? That would be cool to see.

P.JMan

2006-12-20 09:56:09 am

I like Big Butts and I can not lie

Here's your screen shot and vbm

attachments:

Metroid Fusion (U)_01.png

Metroid Fusion (U).vbm

Riplight

2006-12-20 10:04:14 am

How do I view a .vbm? Crying or Very sad

Doesn't it have something to do with VBA? Oh, and that screenshot is great. grin new

P.JMan

2006-12-20 11:06:01 am

I like Big Butts and I can not lie

You use the Current modified version of VisualBoyAdvance and Open an American Metroid Fusion ROM then go into Tools - Play - Start Playing Movie and Select the movie

metroid maniac

2006-12-20 02:52:59 pm

right. because of, P.Jman I now know that this topic is pointless. khaaaan

Riplight

2006-12-20 03:05:11 pm

At least you brought a glistening blue check to the Fusion forum for a while. Wink

I wish people would look at the Fusion section even if it doesn't have a blue check, because edits don't leave one.

P.JMan

2006-12-20 03:05:23 pm

I like Big Butts and I can not lie

dont thank me thank Nintendo Mr. Green