Samus in Smash Brothers

2004-03-21 06:18:28 pm

Cook of the Sea

Marth is good in that he has both range AND speed speed speed. I like him a lot, as he allows for Roy's sword-only style without the relative slowness. Pichu... yes he DOES hurt himself with his own attacks, but I think there's a sufficient amount of style difference between him and Pikachu to make some characters prefer him. His attacks do appear to be more concussive than Pikachu's, if my time spent in the Home Run contest with both trying to cheese my way into getting whichever stage you get by hitting it 1.3K something feet by using their Reverse-Auto-No-Ping-Hits. I eventually did it with Pichu using a Bat-Drop Aerial-Thunder Combo three times and then letting 'er rip. Pichu's normal attacks tend to toss Sandbag around a little more than Pikachu's, if I wasn't imagining things.

Edit: I was just playing SSBM, and it occured to me that there may be some argument for Samus's Up Throw being the Wavebuster. It looks almost exactly like it except for the fact that it's blue. It COULD be just the Grappling Beam, but it doesn't make sense for it ot be able to cause damage in that fashion. It's like it's shorting out or something. So, Wavebuster.

Marth is good in that he has both range AND speed speed speed.  I like him a lot, as he allows for Roy's sword-only style without the relative slowness.  Pichu...  yes he DOES hurt himself with his own attacks, but I think there's a sufficient amount of style difference between him and Pikachu to make some characters prefer him.  His attacks do appear to be more concussive than Pikachu's, if my time spent in the Home Run contest with both trying to cheese my way into getting whichever stage you get by hitting it 1.3K something feet by using their Reverse-Auto-No-Ping-Hits.  I eventually did it with Pichu using a Bat-Drop Aerial-Thunder Combo three times and then letting 'er rip.  Pichu's normal attacks tend to toss Sandbag around a little more than Pikachu's, if I wasn't imagining things.

Edit:  I was just playing SSBM, and it occured to me that there may be some argument for Samus's Up Throw being the Wavebuster.  It looks almost exactly like it except for the fact that it's blue.  It COULD be just the Grappling Beam, but it doesn't make sense for it ot be able to cause damage in that fashion.  It's like it's shorting out or something.  So, Wavebuster.

Light of Day

2004-03-21 08:27:07 pm

SSBM was made before Prime, the wavebuster didn't exist when they made it. It's just the grapple beam, you could kill quite a few normal enimies with it in Super, so it's known to be able to do damage.

SABERinBLUE

2004-03-21 08:38:48 pm

Cook of the Sea

I know I know. I'm just trying to find more tie-ins. Ive already cited the Side Smash B Super Missile as being the Power Beam Missile Combo, and all the Flamethrower moves as being the Plasma Beam Missile Combo. I know that they aren't really connected to Prime (Although I still think that they gave Samus a Flamethrower in Prime to explain the one in the Smash Brothers games), but it's fun to preten that they are. Besides, the Grapple beamdos do a bit of damage in SSBM if you hit someone with it when you extend it while jumping, and the way it flares around the person in the Up Throw implies that it's a different item. Humor me. Laughing

Roy Mustang

2004-03-21 08:44:41 pm

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Marth is good in that he has both range AND speed speed speed. I like him a lot, as he allows for Roy's sword-only style without the relative slowness

Marth is meant to fight at range(thats why he is fast). Since his sword does the most damge when he hits his opponent with the tip of his sword. While Roy does the most damage at clost range. Roy seems to be the stronger of the two

SABERinBLUE

2004-03-21 08:50:51 pm

Cook of the Sea

Quote from Roy Mustang:

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Marth is good in that he has both range AND speed speed speed. I like him a lot, as he allows for Roy's sword-only style without the relative slowness

Marth is meant to fight at range(thats why he is fast). Since his sword does the most damge when he hits his opponent with the tip of his sword. While Roy does the most damage at clost range. Roy seems to be the stronger of the two

Roy is definitely the stronger of the two. However, if someone has good range, it usually means that they will be slowish; they won't need so much speed because they don't have to go as far to hit someone. That's what makes Marth somewhat unique because he has lots of both.

GreenMamba

2004-03-21 10:19:16 pm

What luck, there's french fry stuck in my beard.

Incorrect. Roy is, in fact, weaker than Marth in almost every attack. I could go find the comparison, but that would require me searching through GameFaqs' SSBM message board....

Yoshi348

2004-03-21 10:20:24 pm

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Ready and willing.

Quote from GreenMamba:

Incorrect. Roy is, in fact, weaker than Marth in almost every attack. I could go find the comparison, but that would require me searching through GameFaqs' SSBM message board....

Erm... let me make sure you know he's probably talking about stronger/weaker as in pure damage, rather than stronger/weaker overall.

fractic

2004-03-22 04:57:07 am

roy's arial moves are a lot weaker then marths. Marth is my favorite character because of his allround ness. I mean he's got everything you need expect a great throw.

Roy

2004-03-22 10:51:02 am

Roy überrulez!*looks at his nick* :D

ShadowMagus

2004-03-22 11:06:12 am

*wants Fire Emblem 6*

I wiggle my upper lip at Nintendo! Laughing

fractic

2004-03-22 04:05:52 pm

Quote from Roy:

Roy überrulez!*looks at his nick* :D

probably the worst argument every used in a tiers battle (they suck btw)

Roy is not bad but I prefer marth by a large distance

CALFoolio

2004-03-22 04:26:13 pm

Quote from Saber in Blue:

I don't know exactly, but they live in Georgia currently. I live in Texas. If we want to get to the implied point, can you tell me who the sister uses in SSBM?

She uses Captain Falcon, Marth, and Young Link (not sure if she still uses him).

SABERinBLUE

2004-03-22 05:19:01 pm

Cook of the Sea

Quote from CALFoolio:

Quote from Saber in Blue:

I don't know exactly, but they live in Georgia currently. I live in Texas. If we want to get to the implied point, can you tell me who the sister uses in SSBM?

She uses Captain Falcon, Marth, and Young Link (not sure if she still uses him).

Okay, never mind. She uses the Ice Climbers religiously. She does like Marth a bit, and she showed me some Dancing Blade tricks with him, but the brother firmly believes that Ganondorf is massively prefereble to Captain Falcon and Adult Link (Why do people say Adult if he's seventeen?) is massively preferable to Young Link (He and I debated this for awhile), so she probably wouldn't use them. Close, though, made it on all counts except Kentucky and the sister, but a lot of other factors matched up. It couldn't hurt to tell you that my cousin's first name is Andrew just to make dang sure we aren't talking about the same person. Did you think you were my cousin, or did you just think you knew him?

Edit: About Marth and Roy I wasn't talking about numbers, I was talking about style. You wouldn't play Roy like a speedster, and you wouldn't play Marth like a haymaker. Roy isn't massively powerful, but compared to Marth in a question of who-is-more-suited-to-your-style, Marth is considered to be generally "fast and weak" and Roy is generally considered to be "slow and strong". Even if some of Roy's attakcs are weaker in the overall damage-caused department, his workhorse moves are designed to KO people faster for less damage. Marth isn't overtly weak in his attacks, but his speed maens that most people would play him more like they play Pikachu than like they play Ganondorf. An oversimplification admittedly, but you know what I mean.

[quote="CALFoolio"][quote="Saber in Blue"]I don't know exactly, but they live in Georgia currently.  I live in Texas.  If we want to get to the implied point, can you tell me who the sister uses in SSBM?[/quote]

She uses Captain Falcon, Marth, and Young Link (not sure if she still uses him).[/quote]

Okay, never mind.  She uses the Ice Climbers religiously.  She does like Marth a bit, and she showed me some Dancing Blade tricks with him, but the brother firmly believes that Ganondorf is massively prefereble to Captain Falcon and Adult Link (Why do people say Adult if he's seventeen?) is massively preferable to Young Link (He and I debated this for awhile), so she probably wouldn't use them.  Close, though, made it on all counts except Kentucky and the sister, but a lot of other factors matched up.  It couldn't hurt to tell you that my cousin's first name is Andrew just to make dang sure we aren't talking about the same person.  Did you think you were my cousin, or did you just think you knew him?

Edit:  About Marth and Roy I wasn't talking about numbers, I was talking about style.  You wouldn't play Roy like a speedster, and you wouldn't play Marth like a haymaker.  Roy isn't massively powerful, but compared to Marth in a question of who-is-more-suited-to-your-style, Marth is considered to be generally "fast and weak" and Roy is generally considered to be "slow and strong".  Even if some of Roy's attakcs are weaker in the overall damage-caused department, his workhorse moves are designed to KO people faster for less damage.  Marth isn't overtly weak in his attacks, but his speed maens that most people would play him more like they play Pikachu than like they play Ganondorf.  An oversimplification admittedly, but you know what I mean.

Yoshi348

2004-03-22 06:59:04 pm

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Ready and willing.

Well, the opposite's true for me, I like speedy characters, but prefer Roy. Of course, I don't have challenging human opponents, and Roy absoultely rapifies computer oppenents, as they don't know an attack is coming while it's charging. So you can sit there and charge the long charging blazer and wait patiently for the enemy to waltz up there.

CALFoolio

2004-03-22 08:14:11 pm

Quote from Saber in Blue:

Okay, never mind. She uses the Ice Climbers religiously. She does like Marth a bit, and she showed me some Dancing Blade tricks with him, but the brother firmly believes that Ganondorf is massively prefereble to Captain Falcon and Adult Link (Why do people say Adult if he's seventeen?) is massively preferable to Young Link (He and I debated this for awhile), so she probably wouldn't use them. Close, though, made it on all counts except Kentucky and the sister, but a lot of other factors matched up. It couldn't hurt to tell you that my cousin's first name is Andrew just to make dang sure we aren't talking about the same person. Did you think you were my cousin, or did you just think you knew him?

I thought I knew the sister since you mentioned that she was as good as her brother and that he was tournament level, but I guess I was wrong.

Funny thing is, the best Ganondorf in North America recently switched over to Captain Falcon for tournaments.

trh

2004-03-23 04:58:45 am

Quote from CALFoolio:

Quote from Saber in Blue:

Okay, never mind. She uses the Ice Climbers religiously. She does like Marth a bit, and she showed me some Dancing Blade tricks with him, but the brother firmly believes that Ganondorf is massively prefereble to Captain Falcon and Adult Link (Why do people say Adult if he's seventeen?) is massively preferable to Young Link (He and I debated this for awhile), so she probably wouldn't use them. Close, though, made it on all counts except Kentucky and the sister, but a lot of other factors matched up. It couldn't hurt to tell you that my cousin's first name is Andrew just to make dang sure we aren't talking about the same person. Did you think you were my cousin, or did you just think you knew him?

I thought I knew the sister since you mentioned that she was as good as her brother and that he was tournament level, but I guess I was wrong.

Funny thing is, the best Ganondorf in North America recently switched over to Captain Falcon for tournaments.

And who may that be? :?

[quote="CALFoolio"][quote="Saber in Blue"]Okay, never mind.  She uses the Ice Climbers religiously.  She does like Marth a bit, and she showed me some Dancing Blade tricks with him, but the brother firmly believes that Ganondorf is massively prefereble to Captain Falcon and Adult Link (Why do people say Adult if he's seventeen?) is massively preferable to Young Link (He and I debated this for awhile), so she probably wouldn't use them.  Close, though, made it on all counts except Kentucky and the sister, but a lot of other factors matched up.  It couldn't hurt to tell you that my cousin's first name is Andrew just to make dang sure we aren't talking about the same person.  Did you think you were my cousin, or did you just think you knew him?[/quote]

I thought I knew the sister since you mentioned that she was as good as her brother and that he was tournament level, but I guess I was wrong.

Funny thing is, the best Ganondorf in North America recently switched over to Captain Falcon for tournaments.[/quote]

And who may that be?  :?

CALFoolio

2004-03-23 03:55:52 pm

Quote from TRH:

And who may that be? :?

A guy named Eddie from Illinois. Anyone who has seen his Ganondorf no longer thinks of Ganon as a slow character =)

trh

2004-03-23 04:03:30 pm

Quote from CALFoolio:

Quote from TRH:

And who may that be? :?

A guy named Eddie from Illinois. Anyone who has seen his Ganondorf no longer thinks of Ganon as a slow character =)

Ooh, i have a couple of vids when he plays as ganondorf!

SABERinBLUE

2004-03-23 05:33:12 pm

Cook of the Sea

Speaking of vids, Andrew was telling me while he was coaching me on Samus about a vid of a Samus going under Final Destination and coming up on the other side. With Bomb Jumps. Does anyone know where I might find this thing? I'm really trying to get my Bomb Jump up to speed but can't actually manage to increase my overall height in midair, only slow my overall descent. Been trying for ages to do the Left Temple Jump using Bomb Jumps only for a long time now. I can do Left and Right easily with second jump and the Grapple Beam, but no luck on the Bomb Jump.

SonicandTails218

2004-03-23 06:44:08 pm

I actually cannot use Samus that well. I can use most other charecters pretty well, but with Peach, Link(both), Falcon, 'Dorf, and Samus, I can't grasp exactly how to use them. I do use Kirby, Pika, Marth, IC, Yoshi, Falco,...........(minutes later)........, and Zelda well though.

SABERinBLUE

2004-03-24 07:09:37 pm

Cook of the Sea

You know, it is interesting how rare it is that someone uses Samus as their primary. If you go on GameFAQs and look at the who-do-you use thread for SSBM, almost no one uses Samus as their primary. And the guy on the first page that does, djinniSABER, is me. :D

chinchillax13514

2004-03-24 08:24:43 pm

Quote from SonicandTailspma:

but with Peach, Link(both), Falcon, 'Dorf, and Samus, I can't grasp exactly how to use them.

Funny, those are some of my best characters...except Peach, but the rest I'm pretty good with. I also like Zelda, Fox, sometimes Mario and Luigi, DK, Bowser, Falco, Marth and Roy. The rest are kinda...iffy.

SABERinBLUE

2004-03-24 08:27:08 pm

Cook of the Sea

Lemme just say that Peach can be one of the most amazing and dangerous characters out there if someone knows how to use her. She's wierd, but she has a collection of strengths that can be devestating if they are put to good use. I can't put them to good use myself, but I've seen people that can.

CALFoolio

2004-03-24 09:09:55 pm

When used correctly, every character in the game is devastatingly good.

Unfortunately for me, Samus ranks as possibly my worse character, because I suck at fast fall L-cancelling with her =(

skynes

2004-03-25 09:07:59 am

Where can I see vids of expert SSBM players playing?
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Last night I decided to do a bit of training with Samus.

I found this

Flamethrower moves suck... Maybe it's just me but I think it sucks.

Down A Smash - Amazing. I went through the adventure killing everything with JUST this move! Was on V Easy cause I was only play testing but It managed to kill nearly every character in one hit.

Missile is pretty cool too. When the DownA Smash didnt kill them one missile did the job.

Bombs... What purpose do these things serve?
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My primary character would be link. His Jump Down B sword attack is devastating. Bombs are pretty cool when used right as is his bow. The Spin attack is fun!

Peach I'm banned from using in my house... I don't die. I go flying off screen and still manage to come back!
Bounce Heavy blows with Toad too! My brother hates me using her!