[SM] Super Metroid: Gravy

2007-11-25 11:34:23 am

Quote from Cpadolf:

Just started playing this and since I don't want to read the whole thread I thought I might ask about a few thigs I did that might be SB's.

1. Should you do kraid before you do anythig in norfair? I did.

2. Should you take speedbooster right after kraid and hi-jump? I did.

3. Should you get screw attack right after speedbooster? I did with help of frameadvance.

Also is WS next now?

Glad to see you're playing.

Really, the spikes are to deter entering kraid before high jump, but he's quite possible without it.

Right after Kraid does indeed come speedbooster.

Screw attack here is early, but also possible.

Finally, If you've already got Pbs and grapple, then WS is next. Though it is possible to enter WS without grapple, you will die without it. So make sure you get grapple first.

Bolognab

2007-11-25 11:50:12 am

Exactly where will you die without grapple? I made it through ws without dying once. if its the part with the walking spike chozo, you just run and jump across, then crystal flash to get gravity.

Cardweaver

2007-11-25 12:03:16 pm

Hmm. I suppose that is true. For some reason when I was testing, I only had 10 supers at that point, and therefore couldn't CF and get gravity.

Fair enough. I heavily advise getting grapple before wrecked ship, even though it apparently isn't required.

Congrats to Bolognab for making it through without grapple.

Cpadolf

2007-11-25 02:41:47 pm

Almost happy

Ok, gonna get grapple then (got PB's in red brinstar but I think that was intended).

Kriole

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Kriole: 2007-11-25 03:33:57 pm

2007-11-25 03:26:02 pm

Meri Kurisumasu! ^_^

...Bleh. My last WIP ended at approx 65xxx frames. My new WIP ends at 107xxx frames. Still, not that much happens, and I'm evil enough to let it end before Phantoon. Mwuhaha. If I were to rate it myself I'd give it a "Bleh", since many places could have been improved. Though the Etecoon PB jump took ages to do. Never put the PB in the right place, but in the end I got it working.

And I'm still using Gravy v1.1.

attachment:

Gravy TAS WIP 3.smv

FirePhoenix

2007-11-25 06:16:36 pm

I was playing again on a save close to the end and manged to beat Botwoon again without CF. Not only that, but I didn't dip into my reserve tanks at all! How's that for inhuman?:P

Fano7

2007-11-25 07:33:18 pm

Every Bit Counts

Nice WIP.

Cardweaver

2007-11-25 08:21:11 pm

Kriole, I cancel your bleh. Amazing work as always. When do you plan on doing Kraid? Also, your etecoon part of the WIP, specifically the room with the E tank and the room with the super, was very very nice. Also, I really liked your use of pointless sparking to get below 51 energy. I remember getting those items, and I always just got hit for 20 by the sidehoppers until I was under 51, took forever. Again, very nice work, can't wait until the next one.

Quote from Cpadolf:

Ok, gonna get grapple then (got PB's in red brinstar but I think that was intended).

Yeah. pbs in red brinstar are the intended first pbs. Your on the right track. Let me know what you think of the crocomire fight.

CaptainCanada

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CaptainCanada: 2007-11-25 10:01:49 pm

2007-11-25 09:59:18 pm

Just got 100%. 8-)

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Super Metroid Gravy 0002.bmp

Super Metroid Gravy 0003.bmp

Kriole

2007-11-26 01:44:58 am

Meri Kurisumasu! ^_^

Quote:

Kriole, I cancel your bleh. Amazing work as always. When do you plan on doing Kraid? Also, your etecoon part of the WIP, specifically the room with the E tank and the room with the super, was very very nice. Also, I really liked your use of pointless sparking to get below 51 energy.

=)

I'm doing Phantoon - Draygon - Kraid - Ridley

Quote:

Ok, gonna get grapple then (got PB's in red brinstar but I think that was intended).

Yeah. pbs in red brinstar are the intended first pbs. Your on the right track. Let me know what you think of the crocomire fight.

By the way... how are you supposed to enter Crocomires lair without reverse gating? Aren't all entries blocked by reverse gates?

Cardweaver

2007-11-26 02:33:28 am

Quote from CaptainCanada:

Just got 100%. 8-)

Honor list updated.

Quote from Kriole:

I'm doing Phantoon - Draygon - Kraid - Ridley

By the way... how are you supposed to enter Crocomires lair without reverse gating? Aren't all entries blocked by reverse gates?

That's what I thought you would do.

The way to Croco? The old way. Via ice beam path. Pb past two blocks, then go through a lava filled room, then speedball your way to Croc. Theres a missle in the lava filled room... I thought you got 100%? Was it all a lie? Or did you just forget? :P

Kriole

2007-11-26 06:59:59 am

Meri Kurisumasu! ^_^

Quote from Cardweaver:

Quote from Kriole:

I'm doing Phantoon - Draygon - Kraid - Ridley

By the way... how are you supposed to enter Crocomires lair without reverse gating? Aren't all entries blocked by reverse gates?

That's what I thought you would do.

The way to Croco? The old way. Via ice beam path. Pb past two blocks, then go through a lava filled room, then speedball your way to Croc. Theres a missle in the lava filled room... I thought you got 100%? Was it all a lie? Or did you just forget? :P

Meh? Doing a 100% TAS without even getting 100% before? That's like doing a TAS for a game you haven't played! ...Wait a second. That sounds oddly familiar.

I forgot about that route =)

BlueGlass

2007-11-26 01:35:31 pm

Hint please.

Where in this room is an item hiding?

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Gravy 1.2.000.png

Cardweaver

2007-11-26 01:48:09 pm

Glad to see you've joined the gravy train.

The item in question is a pb that is hidden off of the screen. Its kinda hard to describe and also hard to obtain, so I'll attach the bitmap. Good to see you made it this far without problems. I guess that means v1.2 was good.

Edit: the bitmap doesn't show PLMs apparently, so the PB is

just underneath the door in the right wall. You can't see it from anywhere in the room, and if you jump too high, you'll miss it and go into the upward door. I'll also mention that its a shot block, not just a naked PLM.

attachment:

Hidden PB.bmp

Kriole

2007-11-26 02:00:50 pm

Meri Kurisumasu! ^_^

I did Phantoon in my TAS, and I have to say... he was surprisingly easy. I was preparing myself for some hard optimization, but what the heck. Missiles do 150 damage, Super Missiles do 900 damage and he does only have 2500 hit points =/.

Unfortunately I had to use some pause abuse in WS to get the energy tank. That part is kinda boring anyways, so no harm done.

Cpadolf

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Cpadolf: 2007-11-26 03:45:58 pm

2007-11-26 02:11:10 pm

Almost happy

Then he must be a pushover to 1 round (unless there is some shit about the fight I have not been there yet) only 11 missiles and a super compared to 19 in SM and 37 in SM:I.

EDIT: Ok just defeated phantoon, not hard at all and a 1 round is pretty much exactly as easy/hard to do as without the water.

Oh and at which point in the hack are you supposed to be able to get the old X-ray room E-tank, I got it on my way to WS but the way the room was made out made me think it would not be possible without some other item (springball maybe) if it where not for frameadvance.

And great work this far kriole, I hate doing TASes of new hacks since I'm a sucker at route planning. And this is a 100% TAS right?

Kriole

2007-11-26 04:18:16 pm

Meri Kurisumasu! ^_^

Quote from Cpadolf:

And great work this far kriole, I hate doing TASes of new hacks since I'm a sucker at route planning. And this is a 100% TAS right?

Thank you! And yes, it's a 100% TAS, don't watch it if you don't want spoilers ;]

Cpadolf

2007-11-26 04:22:33 pm

Almost happy

I don't worry about that, I'm not the 100% kind of guy.

Cardweaver

2007-11-26 05:30:25 pm

Quote from Cpadolf:

Then he must be a pushover to 1 round (unless there is some shit about the fight I have not been there yet) only 11 missiles and a super compared to 19 in SM and 37 in SM:I.

EDIT: Ok just defeated phantoon, not hard at all and a 1 round is pretty much exactly as easy/hard to do as without the water.

Oh and at which point in the hack are you supposed to be able to get the old X-ray room E-tank, I got it on my way to WS but the way the room was made out made me think it would not be possible without some other item (springball maybe) if it where not for frameadvance.

And great work this far kriole, I hate doing TASes of new hacks since I'm a sucker at route planning. And this is a 100% TAS right?

Well... I've always had trouble with 2 round Phantoon (let alone a 1 round), so I thought the water was a nice addition. Also, how exactly does the "doppler-effect" work? (you know... where you walk slowly towards Phantoon and pump him with missles but he doesn't move at all)

As far as the old X-ray path, It was intended to be once plasma was obtained, because of the grey door requirements, but apparently the firefleas are still killable by touch. So in that case, the idea was to get it after you have sufficient energy or suits to survive. And the item that would help is kinda obvious. Space jump.

Also, with the realization that Phantoon is quite easy, the only bosses that offer a challenge left are Botwoon (only in v1.2), and Ridley. Oh well, when I finally get around to my next hack, first thing I'll do is test for harder bosses. I've already got another idea for Phantoon.

[quote="Cpadolf"]
Then he must be a pushover to 1 round (unless there is some shit about the fight I have not been there yet) only 11 missiles and a super compared to 19 in SM and 37 in SM:I.

EDIT: Ok just defeated phantoon, not hard at all and a 1 round is pretty much exactly as easy/hard to do as without the water.

Oh and at which point in the hack are you supposed to be able to get the old X-ray room E-tank, I got it on my way to WS but the way the room was made out made me think it would not be possible without some other item (springball maybe) if it where not for frameadvance.

And great work this far kriole, I hate doing TASes of new hacks since I'm a sucker at route planning. And this is a 100% TAS right?
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Well... I've always had trouble with 2 round Phantoon (let alone a 1 round), so I thought the water was a nice addition. Also, how exactly does the "doppler-effect" work? (you know... where you walk slowly towards Phantoon and pump him with missles but he doesn't move at all)

As far as the old X-ray path, It was intended to be once plasma was obtained, because of the grey door requirements, but apparently the firefleas are still killable by touch. So in that case, the idea was to get it after you have sufficient energy or suits to survive. And the item that would help is kinda obvious. Space jump.

Also, with the realization that Phantoon is quite easy, the only bosses that offer a challenge left are Botwoon (only in v1.2), and Ridley. Oh well, when I finally get around to my next hack, first thing I'll do is test for harder bosses. I've already got another idea for Phantoon.

BlueGlass

2007-11-26 05:40:47 pm

Quote from Cardweaver:

Glad to see you've joined the gravy train.

The item in question is a pb that is hidden off of the screen. Its kinda hard to describe and also hard to obtain, so I'll attach the bitmap. Good to see you made it this far without problems. I guess that means v1.2 was good.

Edit: the bitmap doesn't show PLMs apparently, so the PB is

just underneath the door in the right wall. You can't see it from anywhere in the room, and if you jump too high, you'll miss it and go into the upward door. I'll also mention that its a shot block, not just a naked PLM.

Heh, I actually managed to completely miss your post, but was able to find the PB anyway, then saw your post. Thanks anyway. Only one item left. Now I just meed to remember where it's missing from.

And yeah, 1.2 is fun. And Botwoon was the biggest surprise of my life. I went in there expecting him to be easy, and finally managed to win after two CFs and several savestates.

Cpadolf

2007-11-26 06:32:39 pm

Almost happy

Quote from Cardweaver:

Well... I've always had trouble with 2 round Phantoon (let alone a 1 round), so I thought the water was a nice addition. Also, how exactly does the "doppler-effect" work? (you know... where you walk slowly towards Phantoon and pump him with missles but he doesn't move at all)

I was speaking out of a TASing perspective though, I'd like to see someone 1 round him unassisted :)

Fano7

2007-11-26 06:49:06 pm

Every Bit Counts

I'll try.

Edit: Am I allowed to use turbo fire?

Cpadolf

2007-11-27 04:02:06 am

Almost happy

Ofcourse not, that's assisstanse.

Fano7

2007-11-27 05:52:21 am

Every Bit Counts

Well no luck so far.

Sneaky Paradox

2007-11-27 09:02:54 am

I hate asking noob questions... It doesn't work, I have Super Metroid (JU) ! and I can't get it to work. Named it all correctly and everything. Help?