infinite bomb jump

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BioSpark: 2010-06-20 06:40:32 pm

2009-04-05 04:14:47 pm

lol

http://biospark.paragonsigma.com/bombjump.mp4

i'm sure it can be done faster, especially if the third bomb is placed higher. i can't really think of any uses in a tas. i'm fairly certain single wall jumping is faster where a wall is available, even if only because you jump as high as you can to start it (whereas you have to start from the ground with bomb jumping).

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Quietus

2009-04-05 04:57:55 pm

Super Secret Area - Dead Ahead!

Ha ha. I'll give my soul to anybody who can perform that on a GBA. aiwebs_011

Tyjet66

2009-04-05 05:32:15 pm

What'd you say?

HAHA!!
Thats awesome!

BioSpark

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BioSpark: 2009-04-05 07:48:53 pm

2009-04-05 06:04:31 pm

no sequence breaking allowed:

http://biospark.paragonsigma.com/yakuza.mp4

actually, i can jump at the start of it and this might be faster than single wall jumping (i'll test it some other day).

http://biospark.paragonsigma.com/arc.mp4

uNsane

2009-04-05 09:07:07 pm

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I am suddenly reminded of gu3st's bomb jump possible topic...

This is really clever, though. While I doubt it could ever be any faster than swj, and there will almost certainly be no real use for it (none that I can think of), there still is a Fusion hacking community to think of...

Sneaky Paradox

2009-04-05 09:10:11 pm

Well sheesh. Nintendo serisouly doesn't want you to SB in Fusion.

BioSpark

2009-04-05 09:54:48 pm

Quote from uNsane:

This is really clever, though. While I doubt it could ever be any faster than swj, and there will almost certainly be no real use for it (none that I can think of), there still is a Fusion hacking community to think of...

actually, i'm pretty sure it's faster than single wall jumping in that example of arc i posted, i'm just too lazy to test it atm.

Quietus

2009-04-06 05:06:37 am

Super Secret Area - Dead Ahead!

Even if you pulled it off, and truly sequence broke the game, wouldn't you still fall foul of the item order, where it gives you something messed up, like doors unlocked? Eh?

For bragging rights only, it'd be pretty cool! grin new

Opium

2009-04-06 05:17:47 am

Things like this make me wonder if it blows Nintendo's mind when they see how hard people try to break their games.

Quietus

2009-04-06 05:28:38 am

Super Secret Area - Dead Ahead!

We only do it through love, though, so we get away with it. aiwebs_011

TheGreenManalishi

2009-04-06 02:11:24 pm

Quote from Quietus:

Ha ha. I'll give my soul to anybody who can perform that on a GBA. aiwebs_011

You gotta hit it just right, like Fonzie.

BioSpark

2009-04-06 04:25:49 pm

Quote from Opium:

Things like this make me wonder if it blows Nintendo's mind when they see how hard one person tries to break their games.

fixed. at least it seems that's true for fusion now.

uNsane

2009-04-07 02:15:11 am

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Quote from BioSpark:

Quote from Opium:

Things like this make me wonder if it blows Nintendo's mind when they see how hard one person tries to break their games.

fixed. at least it seems that's true for fusion now.

It is dangerous to go alone! Besides, if performing TAS-only tricks on my Micro isn't considered breaking the game, I might as well give up now.

Zeke

2009-04-09 04:09:26 am

Time bomb set get out fast!

Spark, that is frickin' insane. My mind is as blown as when Ekar found single-wall jump. (...You're not gonna quit now, right?)

Quote from Quietus:

Even if you pulled it off, and truly sequence broke the game, wouldn't you still fall foul of the item order, where it gives you something messed up, like doors unlocked? Eh?

Yep. event++ is unbreakable. Nintendo had complete trust in their ability to keep the player in sequence, so they didn't bother coding for getting stuff early.

In programming, we call this "no exception handling" and look upon it with scorn. But the hell of it is, they were right. Except for a couple of early PB tanks and some tricks you can only do in a TAS, Fusion's sequence is rock-solid. They'd have gotten away with it if it weren't for us meddling kids.

BioSpark

2009-04-09 07:27:49 am

Quote from Zeke:

(...You're not gonna quit now, right?)

never. i have no plan of leaving. and yeah, nintendo made fusion pretty unbreakable.

tomatobob

2009-04-09 02:21:29 pm

One shall stand, one shall ball.

Toe cancer cares not for your plans.

P.JMan

2009-04-11 07:56:56 pm

I like Big Butts and I can not lie

Nettori takes a long time to kill

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Early TRO Trap.vbm

Tyjet66

2009-04-11 09:19:47 pm

What'd you say?

Quote from P.JMan:

Nettori takes a long time to kill

I would call that effectively breaking the game, what happens if you get plasma early? (Or atleast I believe it was plasma, It's been awhile since i've played fusion) Or space jump?

nn12000

2009-04-11 10:23:14 pm

Mister ...

I know TAS'ing here is serious business, but any chances we'll see a whole run where it's just breaking things like we just saw with P.J's video? Fusion is a pretty solid game which is why it would be fun to see a broken run of it, so I'm not sure if it would happen.

BioSpark

2009-04-11 11:03:42 pm

Quote from tyjet66:

I would call that effectively breaking the game, what happens if you get plasma early? (Or atleast I believe it was plasma, It's been awhile since i've played fusion) Or space jump?

you can't get any items early. if you try to, it will usually say something about a security door being unlocked and nothing will happen.

nn: i was planning at one time to make an early items tas which would get every item as early as possible and highlight some other interesting things about fusion. i may get around to it this summer.

Tyjet66

2009-04-11 11:05:29 pm

What'd you say?

Looking forward to it. Wink

nn12000

2009-04-12 01:05:18 am

Mister ...

Awesome, BioSpark. I have something to look forward to then.

Zeke

2009-04-13 01:54:02 am

Time bomb set get out fast!

Count me in too. Hell, I'll bring the beer.

uNsane

2009-04-13 10:02:19 pm

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Actually, now that I think about it, there may be certain times when you could theoretically have Nettori give you an item, but only when you were supposed to fight another boss that would have resulted in a normal Core-X battle at the end, and you would get the item you were supposed to get. For example, you might be able to fight Nettori instead of Zazabi and still get Hello Jump. I might test this out later (or rather have PJ try it), but from what I've seen of the item-giving routine in Fusion, it should work.

BioSpark

2009-04-13 10:04:58 pm

nope, i'm sure that won't work. it always says something about a security door being unlocked if you get an item early.