Here's a cool thoery about Prime and Queen Metroid.

Mr. Aran

2005-10-18 10:39:22 pm

everybody knows it's true

Quote from Spine Shark:

I don't think Zelda ever kept coming that fast.

Since when is Nintendo fast at Zelda games?

SAL

2005-10-18 10:47:43 pm

Quote from Duo Maxwell:

I think Ridley is finally gone.

I am curious to where Metroid will go after Hunters and Prime 3 comes out. Dread has been cancelled, Prime 3 is supposedly closing up a trilogy, and there aren't any other games in development.

Is Nintendo putting Metroid on the back burner for a while?

WTF? it has?

SABERinBLUE

2005-10-18 10:51:35 pm

Cook of the Sea

Yes.

SAL

2005-10-18 10:59:05 pm

WTF?AERQWER!?#!@?#!?!?!?!!?!?!

Where can i see this?

Random Zelda Person

2005-10-18 11:04:06 pm

Yo.

spineshark

2005-10-19 12:09:11 am

in the name of justice!

Quote from Mr. Aran:

Quote from Spine Shark:

I don't think Zelda ever kept coming that fast.

Since when is Nintendo fast at Zelda games?

I never said they were. But Zelda is very much more Nintendo's baby than Metroid.

Rox

2005-10-19 06:19:31 am

Hm. You can, and some people will, grab some of the earliest artifacts last. Like the one buried in Magmoor. I don't see at all why the Pirates would, like, dig it up, then put it back in the same place again after they used it... And they can't have broken in without the artifacts. That's clearly impossible.

DeathNoble

2005-10-19 07:55:21 am

That's why I think the Chozo ghosts took the Artifacts back and hid them again after the Pirates decided to give up on mining in the Cradle/Phazon research on Prime. They were walking around with Artifacts in their hands and BAM! Chozo Ghosts attack, take back what's theirs and hide it all over again.

That's why most Chozo Ghosts appear in the Ruins either in or near a room with an Artifact.

Yoshi348

2005-10-19 01:25:02 pm

PAGE BREAKER

Ready and willing.

We trying to fix the plot hole AGAIN?

Starblade

2005-10-19 03:24:42 pm

That doesn't work at all, since apparently the Pirates never collected the Artifacts in the first place. Or at least, not all of them. The Lore says that the Space Pirates got their hands on some of them, couldn't figure them out, then tried (in vain) to destroy a few.

LifeMega

2005-10-19 04:09:08 pm

Retro screwed up horribly, let's not bust our heads trying to fix their mistake.

Duo

2005-10-19 04:15:41 pm

I don't see why we shouldn't.

SamuraiSamus

2005-10-19 05:53:09 pm

Beware: off duty ninja

hmmm well what if the barrier that keeps prime in the crater only stops phazon/phazon radiation? (sorry if that has been stated before)
that could account for the pirates being at the impact crater in the first place, and also accounting for the fact that they were able to get in in the first place. I don't care about the gaping indiscrepancies, as prime is an excellent game regardless of the story's . . . . ."artistic direction".

the real reason that the pirates were able to get into the impact crater and do all of that stuff: they created plot hole metroids to suck any kind of continuity from the story, allowing them to all of the phazon-y goodness.

LifeMega

2005-10-19 06:37:49 pm

That gives me an idea for an MP3 weapon... The Plot Hole Beam! When you use it, random things that contradict the story happen, for example, enemies spontaniously combust, Ridley comes back, Hunter Metroids appear from nowhere and kill you, etc. And of course log entries are randomly changed to contradict one another.

DeathNoble

2005-10-20 10:48:11 am

I just don't see why there can't be the possibility that there was something along the lines of a missing Pirate Log entry... Like they just forgot to mention that they found all the Artifacts. I mean, that'd be something to bother high command with: "Oh, BTW, we found all the artifacts and are going into the place we couldnt!" I mean I've always just pictured that the log entry about finding Prime should've had a sentence at the beginning that said something along the lines of "The miners were killed after we finally managed to discover the Artifact's purpose and get into the place where the highest concentration of Phazon is."

Let's just all thank Retro for leaving these holes that annoy us so much. Jerks...

Quote from LifeMega:

That gives me an idea for an MP3 weapon... The Plot Hole Beam! When you use it, random things that contradict the story happen, for example, enemies spontaniously combust, Ridley comes back, Hunter Metroids appear from nowhere and kill you, etc. And of course log entries are randomly changed to contradict one another.

...... *Dies laughing*

I just don't see why there can't be the possibility that there was something along the lines of a missing Pirate Log entry...  Like they just forgot to mention that they found all the Artifacts.  I mean, that'd be something to bother high command with: "Oh, BTW, we found all the artifacts and are going into the place we couldnt!"  I mean I've always just pictured that the log entry about finding Prime should've had a sentence at the beginning that said something along the lines of "The miners were killed after we finally managed to discover the Artifact's purpose and get into the place where the highest concentration of Phazon is."

Let's just all thank Retro for leaving these holes that annoy us so much.  Jerks...

[quote="LifeMega"]That gives me an idea for an MP3 weapon... The Plot Hole Beam! When you use it, random things that contradict the story happen, for example, enemies spontaniously combust, Ridley comes back, Hunter Metroids appear from nowhere and kill you, etc. And of course log entries are randomly changed to contradict one another.[/quote]

......  *Dies laughing*

Hayvel the Great

2005-10-20 05:35:27 pm

I have a different idea about how Metroid Prime came to be.

Possibly, there was a small lab where the Chozo were studying some Metroid DNA they attained somehow, maybe from the Zebesian or SR388 Chozos, or whichever made the metroids wanting to show off their creation. Pretty unlikely, but not impossible. Then, the Phazon meteor crashed into the lab, and then the corruption and all that stuff happened and the sealing. At sometime though, the Phazon absorbed that Metroid DNA, thus creating Metroid Prime. See, my idea is that Metroid Prime IS Phazon that abosrbed Metroid DNA, which would explain why it looks like a giant blob of Phazon with Metroid Nuclei in the middle. And seeing how that Thardus was a bunch of Phazon rocks, it's very possible that the Phazon is alive somehow.

I know for sure though, that Metroid Prime doesn't evolve from the Omega metroid. Possibly they only evolve like that when near some type of radiation on SR388, or just evolve like that normally. However, when infused with Phazon, they go through a different evolution, creating the Hunter Metroids. There probably would have been more evolutions of the Hunter, seeing as how the scan said it was an adolescent metroid, so it was not fully grown. And I doubt it evolves into a Fission Metroid. Fission Metroids probably came from being infused with a much more powerful strain of Phazon, i.e. the Red Phazon.

I have a different idea about how Metroid Prime came to be.

Possibly, there was a small lab where the Chozo were studying some Metroid DNA they attained somehow, maybe from the Zebesian or SR388 Chozos, or whichever made the metroids wanting to show off their creation. Pretty unlikely, but not impossible. Then, the Phazon meteor crashed into the lab, and then the corruption and all that stuff happened and the sealing. At sometime though, the Phazon absorbed that Metroid DNA, thus creating Metroid Prime. See, my idea is that Metroid Prime IS Phazon that abosrbed Metroid DNA, which would explain why it looks like a giant blob of Phazon with Metroid Nuclei in the middle. And seeing how that Thardus was a bunch of Phazon rocks, it's very possible that the Phazon is alive somehow.

I know for sure though, that Metroid Prime doesn't evolve from the Omega metroid. Possibly they only evolve like that when near some type of radiation on SR388, or just evolve like that normally. However, when infused with Phazon, they go through a different evolution, creating the Hunter Metroids. There probably would have been more evolutions of the Hunter, seeing as how the scan said it was an adolescent metroid, so it was not fully grown. And I doubt it evolves into a Fission Metroid. Fission Metroids probably came from being infused with a much more powerful strain of Phazon, i.e. the Red Phazon.

Mr. Aran

2005-10-20 05:39:38 pm

everybody knows it's true

A problem -
In the PAL version, there are Fission Metroids where the Omega Pirate was. How would they get there if only red phazon can make them come to be?

LifeMega

2005-10-20 07:09:55 pm

They got there because Retro felt the need to make the deep mines more difficult. See, everything that happens on Tallon IV is controlled by this god-like entity known as Retro Studios. They do whatever the fuck they want, so many things don't make sense.

Duo

2005-10-20 08:57:38 pm

How about Fission Metroids not being created out of Red Phazon? They could easily be created by some sort of awkward Phazon-enhanced Gamma Waves which the Pirates discover how to do, but they only have one machine that does it or something like that.

SABERinBLUE

2005-10-21 04:40:34 am

Cook of the Sea

PAL version doesn't count, guys.

Starblade

2005-10-21 09:08:11 am

Erm, the Metroids evolved differently from the Space Pirates experimenting on them with different strands of blue (or unconcentrated, the red stuff is 89% concentrated, iirc) phazon, same with their experiments on all the other creatures, including thesmelves. For example, the 'Vertigo (is that the name? I can't remember exactly)' strain and the Elite Pirates.

That's an interesting theory on the Phazon being alive, too.

KennyMan666

2005-10-21 05:00:57 pm

Viking

Precursor

Wow.

This topic revives LOTS of memories, as it was the first one on this forum I kept up a serious discussion in.

DeathNoble

2005-10-23 06:18:50 pm

Quote from SABERinBLUE:

PAL version doesn't count, guys.

Amen to that one...

Quote from KennyMan666:

Wow.

This topic revives LOTS of memories, as it was the first one on this forum I kept up a serious discussion in.

Good for this forum thread.

Quote from Hayvel the Great:

Possibly, there was a small lab where the Chozo were studying some Metroid DNA they attained somehow, maybe from the Zebesian or SR388 Chozos, or whichever made the metroids wanting to show off their creation. Pretty unlikely, but not impossible. Then, the Phazon meteor crashed into the lab, and then the corruption and all that stuff happened and the sealing. At sometime though, the Phazon absorbed that Metroid DNA, thus creating Metroid Prime. See, my idea is that Metroid Prime IS Phazon that abosrbed Metroid DNA, which would explain why it looks like a giant blob of Phazon with Metroid Nuclei in the middle. And seeing how that Thardus was a bunch of Phazon rocks, it's very possible that the Phazon is alive somehow.

That creates a contradiction. The Chozo on Tallon IV went to Tallon IV specifically to live there in harmony with nature, and to be free from technology. All labs and other such places that are "technology places" were from Space Pirates which in all blatant obvioussness came long after the meteor struck.

Quote from LifeMega:

Quote from Mr. Aran:

A problem -
In the PAL version, there are Fission Metroids where the Omega Pirate was. How would they get there if only red phazon can make them come to be?

They got there because Retro felt the need to make the deep mines more difficult. See, everything that happens on Tallon IV is controlled by this god-like entity known as Retro Studios. They do whatever the flickerbat they want, so many things don't make sense.

What LifeMega said

Quote from Duo Maxwell:

How about Fission Metroids not being created out of Red Phazon? They could easily be created by some sort of awkward Phazon-enhanced Gamma Waves which the Pirates discover how to do, but they only have one machine that does it or something like that.

Doesn't work since Fission Metroids are directly born out of red Phazon. Go to Phazon Core in the Impact Crater, kill the two Fission Metroids in there, hop down to the bottom and stare at the large bubble of red Phazon right under the first pillar-like thing you have to jump on. You'll se a new Fission Metroid pop right out of the Phazon.

This also gives evidence to my blue-Phazon-makes-regular-Metroids-go-Hunter and red-Phazon-makes-regular-Metroids-go-Fission. That theory gives evidence to my other theory about Echoes where green Matroid Larva absorb Phazon and turn into red regular Metroids. Hunter Metroids are red too... Therefore, blue Phazon makes Metroids turn red and mutates them. However, the mutation developments in Metroid Larva simply caused them to grow at an accelerated rate.

Oh yeah, it also blatently states that Fission Metroids are mutants when you scan them... Doesn't it?

Quote from Starblade:

Exactly. Metroids evolved differently from the Space Pirates experimenting on them with different strands of blue (or unconcentrated, the red stuff is 89% concentrated, iirc) phazon, same with their experiments on all the other creatures, including thesmelves.

Exactly. Supported by the fact that some scan points (just scan points, not log entries) in the Space Pirate regions of Phendrana says that the Hunter Metroids were moved to quarantined caves in Phendrana to better control them since the Aether/Hydra labs didn't have what it took to keep them under control. Probably because of the tentacle.

You know, the Pirate log entries could be interpreted that Prime looked like http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a141/DeathNoble/Metroid%20Images/PrimeEssence.jpg until they began infusing him with Phazon which made him look like http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a141/DeathNoble/Metroid%20Images/MetroidPrime.jpg.

And about the title of this topic (now that Echoes has been released {note that when this was written, Echoes wasn't out yet})... Doesn't everyone think that this: http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a141/DeathNoble/Metroid%20Images/MetroidPrime.jpg looks a lot more like this: http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a141/DeathNoble/Metroid%20Images/AnIng.jpg than it does this: http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a141/DeathNoble/Metroid%20Images/QueenMetroid.jpg? That's why I think Prime was a creature from a far distant world that created Phazon, and the planet went BOOM and launched pieces of itself into space. Somehow, Prime survived on a meteor, and on another meteor was just Phazon which eventually gave birth to the Ing...

Wow, I really need to finish that story of mine that fills in all plot holes from the birth of Prime to Samus' reunion with Adam... Read more about that here: http://www.metroid2002.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3856. You'll have to go down to my third (I think) post in there.

[quote="SABERinBLUE"]PAL version doesn't count, guys.[/quote]

Amen to that one...

[quote="KennyMan666"]Wow.

This topic revives LOTS of memories, as it was the first one on this forum I kept up a serious discussion in.[/quote]

Good for this forum thread.

[quote="Hayvel the Great"]Possibly, there was a small lab where the Chozo were studying some Metroid DNA they attained somehow, maybe from the Zebesian or SR388 Chozos, or whichever made the metroids wanting to show off their creation. Pretty unlikely, but not impossible. Then, the Phazon meteor crashed into the lab, and then the corruption and all that stuff happened and the sealing. At sometime though, the Phazon absorbed that Metroid DNA, thus creating Metroid Prime. See, my idea is that Metroid Prime IS Phazon that abosrbed Metroid DNA, which would explain why it looks like a giant blob of Phazon with Metroid Nuclei in the middle. And seeing how that Thardus was a bunch of Phazon rocks, it's very possible that the Phazon is alive somehow.[/quote]

That creates a contradiction.  The Chozo on Tallon IV went to Tallon IV specifically to live there in harmony with nature, and to be free from technology.  All labs and other such places that are "technology places" were from Space Pirates which in all blatant obvioussness came long after the meteor struck.

[quote="LifeMega"][quote="Mr. Aran"]A problem - 
In the PAL version, there are Fission Metroids where the Omega Pirate was. How would they get there if only red phazon can make them come to be?[/quote]

They got there because Retro felt the need to make the deep mines more difficult. See, everything that happens on Tallon IV is controlled by this god-like entity known as Retro Studios. They do whatever the flickerbat they want, so many things don't make sense.[/quote]

What LifeMega said

[quote="Duo Maxwell"]How about Fission Metroids not being created out of Red Phazon? They could easily be created by some sort of awkward Phazon-enhanced Gamma Waves which the Pirates discover how to do, but they only have one machine that does it or something like that.[/quote]

Doesn't work since Fission Metroids are directly born out of red Phazon.  Go to Phazon Core in the Impact Crater, kill the two Fission Metroids in there, hop down to the bottom and stare at the large bubble of red Phazon right under the first pillar-like thing you have to jump on.  You'll se a new Fission Metroid pop right out of the Phazon.

This also gives evidence to my blue-Phazon-makes-regular-Metroids-go-Hunter and red-Phazon-makes-regular-Metroids-go-Fission.  That theory gives evidence to my other theory about Echoes where green Matroid Larva absorb Phazon and turn into red regular Metroids.  Hunter Metroids are red too...  Therefore, blue Phazon makes Metroids turn red and mutates them.  However, the mutation developments in Metroid Larva simply caused them to grow at an accelerated rate.

Oh yeah, it also blatently states that Fission Metroids are mutants when you scan them...  Doesn't it?

[quote="Starblade"]Exactly.  Metroids evolved differently from the Space Pirates experimenting on them with different strands of blue (or unconcentrated, the red stuff is 89% concentrated, iirc) phazon, same with their experiments on all the other creatures, including thesmelves.[/quote]

Exactly.  Supported by the fact that some scan points (just scan points, not log entries) in the Space Pirate regions of Phendrana says that the Hunter Metroids were moved to quarantined caves in Phendrana to better control them since the Aether/Hydra labs didn't have what it took to keep them under control.  Probably because of the tentacle.

You know, the Pirate log entries could be interpreted that Prime looked like [url]http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a141/DeathNoble/Metroid%20Images/PrimeEssence.jpg[/url] until they began infusing him with Phazon which made him look like [url]http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a141/DeathNoble/Metroid%20Images/MetroidPrime.jpg[/url].

And about the title of this topic (now that Echoes has been released {note that when this was written, Echoes wasn't out yet})...  Doesn't everyone think that this: [url]http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a141/DeathNoble/Metroid%20Images/MetroidPrime.jpg[/url] looks a lot more like this: [url]http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a141/DeathNoble/Metroid%20Images/AnIng.jpg[/url] than it does this: [url]http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a141/DeathNoble/Metroid%20Images/QueenMetroid.jpg[/url]?  That's why I think Prime was a creature from a far distant world that created Phazon, and the planet went BOOM and launched pieces of itself into space.  Somehow, Prime survived on a meteor, and on another meteor was just Phazon which eventually gave birth to the Ing...

Wow, I really need to finish that story of mine that fills in all plot holes from the birth of Prime to Samus' reunion with Adam...  Read more about that here:  [url]http://www.metroid2002.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3856[/url].  You'll have to go down to my third (I think) post in there.

Duo

2005-10-24 04:30:57 pm

If Dark Samus did indeed create the Ing, then it makes sense that they would resemble her former form.

Prime Hunter

2005-10-24 05:29:30 pm

But weren't the Ing around for a long time on Aether before DS ever showed up?