Best Times

2007-05-08 01:03:09 pm

coral to complement blue

An unimpressive :47, done quite a while ago. After that, I started to get serious and skip to going straight for sub-34. Haven't finished a run since, because I keep getting better, so I keep restarting. This one is looking promising. My goal is 32.

The :47 had about twice as many saves as I am using right now, slow boss fights (Back then I was happy if I could survive Phantoon with the 1 1/2 E tank I had. laugh new

), and very few tricks...

Jweb Guru

2007-05-08 07:36:49 pm

I've actually never beaten the game (never fought Mother Brain) and this probably isn't my best time, but since I always do it single-segment (and usually die at Phantoon; I need to read up on that strategy) I decided to check how much time I had at Red Brinstar before WS by stopping one of my movies before it finished. "0:15," it read. I think that was probably pretty bad, since I didn't pull off most of my tricks (even Kraid quick-kill! I usually get that every time now), but it's the first concrete time I really have, besides my hour+ pre-Maridia saves from when I really sucked.

JaggerG

2007-05-09 03:05:19 am

Shifty Leader

That M2k2 guy

Doing speedrun before completion is a ridiculous route, IMO. You don't gain the exp points needed to do a good run, if a run at all.

Jweb Guru

2007-05-09 11:38:16 am

I've gotten up to Mother Brain with 87% of items or so without consulting any guides; that's what made me decide I loved the game. When I figured out I couldn't get out to get the remaining items, I overwrote it, and somehow haven't gotten back to her yet. I know I'll be in a lot of trouble if I ever actually try to fight her in a speedrun, but as it stands I've never beat Ridley SS so it's not a real concern, though I've practiced the fight to the point where I might be able to.

(0:14 new best measured time. Still lots of mistakes).

Tonski

2007-05-10 05:52:22 am

Jweb Guru:
Play the game through a couple of times with the WR route and when you get god enough then start speedrunning. First you need to lower your percent a lot and learn all the sequence breaks.

CPadolf:
Assuming you would play the rest of the segments as fast as I'm willing to, you're going at a 38 min time. It's up to you what will your clear time be, and how good segments do you play. Botwoon 1 round is very hard, Draygon annoying, and my overall speed not good enough at the moment. I think I'll let my mind rest with Metroid Fusion for a week or two and get back to Super Metroid.

I'm actually sick at the moment, so I would have a lot of time to play. :P

Cpadolf

2007-05-10 06:20:04 am

Almost happy

Dragoyn is'nt that hard i think, i almost always 4 round him or sometimes 3, even in SS, botwoon is hard but the save is so close to him that it dos'nt matter much. Still it's a hard segment and im getting 25 at LN for the moment, i think it's a rather low 25 though and i still have some time to save at places though. when im finished im deffinetly going to work on an sub 40 SS run but a more realistic time would be 41-40, but my motivation on a SS run also would be higher beacuse it's much more fun to do.

Tonski

2007-05-10 06:38:30 am

I'd have to play this segment a minute faster than you so that we both would get a 24 at the LN elevator, allowing me a sub 40 time. See my frustration and stress here? laugh new

Well I'm taking this too serious, a bit humor with it wouldn't be bad. Do you stop to get refills before that vertical Mochtroid room after Botwoon fight if you use the pb shield and supers? Do you do the pre-Draygon shine?

Just asking.. :P

Cpadolf

2007-05-10 06:45:37 am

Almost happy

I do use refills after botwoon, but I usualy hope to get much supers from him AI having much health after the fight, unfortunatly beacuse of the shine in the big maridia room I most often just get a shitload of health instead :| so i use the refills but try to keep it short, as a matter of fact I don't use pre dragoyn shine, instead I use the shine in the room with before( diagonally) I never accually tried veary hard to get it right and i find it to hard to do the full room shine.

Can you get the full room shine whitout using the gravitysuit trick?

Tonski

2007-05-10 07:20:17 am

No, I usually just open the door and shine from that ledge. Still it's at least as fast as your method, I'll explain why:

If you do that diagonal shine in the mochtroid room, the cooling time from the shine is 3 seconds, that means it slows you down a bit. The other way, if you're willing to do the pre-Draygon shine (from the ledge or not) you have to climb up very fast, and that means even if the climbing would be a bit slower, it gets covered in the other method's shine cooling down time.

Kinda messy, but I hope you understand. :P IMO doing the pre-Draygon shine is faster, no matter where you do it because climbing that vertical shaft has to be amazingly fast.

I'm playing Fusion for now as I said, and got a pretty good start for my run, let's see how much time I'll have for Super.

EDIT:
Oh yeah, Botwoon is one crappy boss because it has some tendencies of dropping only health. I dunno if it's only to piss speedrunners off but oh well. :D

Cpadolf

2007-05-10 09:17:08 am

Almost happy

yea I know it would be faster to do the "half" pre-dragoyn shine, but I don't know if I will do it in this run. Maybe but it wont be much faster, 5-10 seconds I would think at most, oh well, im gonna do some testing to se how often i can do it, if it's below 50% of the time rhen I wont

MASTER-88

2007-05-10 10:08:18 am

Speedrunner

It is very hard made pre Draygon shine spark perfectly. Your must be jump first before shine spark super jump. My opinion it is almost impossible on PAL versio.

I can du pre Draygon shine spark (half) but i think it is as fast as regular way, probably only little bit faster. And it is still too hard apply speedrun because it is very easy mess up that after Botwoon.

Tonski

2007-05-10 10:48:29 am

Yeah well the half pre-Draygon shine is so easy that it won't be a problem after even Botwoon 1 round kill, but I won't even bother trying the walljump method full shine.

Jweb Guru

2007-05-10 02:51:22 pm

Quote from Tonski:

Jweb Guru:
Play the game through a couple of times with the WR route and when you get god enough then start speedrunning. First you need to lower your percent a lot and learn all the sequence breaks.

I use Hotarubi's run at a guide. I try to do every room like he does, which gets very hard very fast (mostly because of his crazy damage boosts and constant mockballing). The run I was talking about with 83% was my first playthrough and left me with a 10 hour + savegame WITH savestates; I only get Hotarubi's items in general, plus or minus a missile pack (if I miss one during the pre-Wrecked Ship spark or get an extra on the infrequent occasion that I fail the early Supers mockball). I do need to learn a lot of the little speed tricks post-Phantoon, though.

You and Cpadolf seem to have crazy speed, so I wish you the best of luck in trying to lower your PAL version times to under 0:40!

Also, is the full room pre-Draygon shine actually possible in PAL, even for a TAS? I thought it wasn't.

[quote="Tonski"]Jweb Guru: 
Play the game through a couple of times with the WR route and when you get god enough then start speedrunning. First you need to lower your percent a lot and learn all the sequence breaks.[/quote]
I use Hotarubi's run at a guide.  I try to do every room like he does, which gets very hard very fast (mostly because of his crazy damage boosts and constant mockballing).  The run I was talking about with 83% was my first playthrough and left me with a 10 hour + savegame WITH savestates; I only get Hotarubi's items in general, plus or minus a missile pack (if I miss one during the pre-Wrecked Ship spark or get an extra on the infrequent occasion that I fail the early Supers mockball).  I do need to learn a lot of the little speed tricks post-Phantoon, though.

You and Cpadolf seem to have crazy speed, so I wish you the best of luck in trying to lower your PAL version times to under 0:40!

Also, is the full room pre-Draygon shine actually possible in PAL, even for a TAS?  I thought it wasn't.

072

2007-05-10 03:26:49 pm

coral to complement blue

Um, it most definitely is. Doors only open 5 or so frames slower in PAL. And I've made the shine with an estimated 20 or so frames to spare before in real time.

The full room shinespark using the wall jump method IS possible. (I made a topic about it) But it is insanely difficult.

Cpadolf

2007-05-11 09:24:13 am

Almost happy

Just got 24 at LN :P im going to improve further though, i think that 15 seconds better would be quite easy. Then it's only LN left that could be a challange. last segment is very easy, as long as i get 30 at gunship. I feel really confident in getting 00:39 now feels good :P

Tonski

2007-05-11 02:18:22 pm

Nah dude you're too good for me to beat in this game. I never thought I'd find a victorious challenger in Super Metroid PAL-version this fast. grin new

The thing is that you already had a 1 minute lead to me in the very beginning and a way better overall speed and dedication to do perfect segments, me in the other hand did QUITE good segments.

Our difference? You're much better. :P I'll give up and make this a 40 min run, later 39 if I got the patience. The first time I tried and failed badly in speedrunning in my whole life, losing my whole aim time. 1 single bloody minute, but hey that's speedrunning.

Go go go Cpadolf! ;)

Cpadolf

2007-05-11 03:06:54 pm

Almost happy

Hehe thanks Tonski, I just fell bad for not having a good way of proving my time, a picture don't fell very good, I will submit one though. Someday I might get some equipment to record a run though, just wonder if any site would aprove of a PAL run :o.
Come to think of it i really should get some equipment to do so, speedruns has always been my thing somehow i usualy find it to be the most fun way to play a game, with exeptions ofcourse.

BTW you call a 40 min run a failure Shocked

haha thats just crazy talk.

Tonski

2007-05-11 03:22:59 pm

Losing to your aim time is a failure itself, might not be a big one but a failure still. You can't obviously call it success if you lose to your aim time now can you? :P Only way sub 40 is still possible is with 8 min Tourian segment which in my opinion in PAL-version is almost pure madness. It would require a better segment than what Satoru did.

Well 40 isn't bad I guess. I'll probably hook up a 100% SS time and a closer to 1.05 100% segmented and then try to improve my SS any%. After that I might get back to speedrunning sub 40 segmented. But first in the whole list is my Fusion improvement. Currently leading my time with 2-3 minutes. :)

Cpadolf

2007-05-11 03:44:36 pm

Almost happy

Ok, Well I think that after completing this run and improving my SS I will probably record a segmented NTSC run on Snes9x, I don't have much hope of going below my record 35 though, I had borrowed my friends USB controller back then (same for my SS NTSC run) but it's broken and I don't have money for another one, so it's time to get used to play with keyboard I think.

072

2007-05-11 11:08:15 pm

coral to complement blue

Wait, what makes the Tourain segment so tough for PAL?

Tonski

2007-05-12 03:34:36 am

Me and Cpadolf have noticed that the clock HAS to have some kind of difference no matter what other people say, because even crappy SS runs can get like under 45. (no, this isn't supposed to offend Lance or Saturn :P)

I wanna see who can get from Gunship to completing the game under 9 minutes on PAL. 8 minutes would probably be the ultimate lowest time on PAL and would require amazing gameplay. Even 9 mins needs the Mother Brain Hotarubi -kill which I use in all my runs.

Well 8 min maybe possible. I'd wanna know how fast NTSC players have done Gunship -> clear time segment?

Cpadolf

2007-05-12 01:05:28 pm

Almost happy

Smokey did it in 7 mins in his 36 segmented run. Wich means that hotarubi probably did it in 6 or very low 7. Seeing as it is the easiest segment in my opinion it's kind of weard that neither Tonski or me can get below 9 if there is no differenses between PAL and NTSC.

Tonski

2007-05-12 01:29:52 pm

Haha! I can almost imagine some TAS pro saying this:

Quote:

Maybe that's because you suck so badly in this segment! NTSC players kick your ass, get over it.

There has to be some difference between these timings. :P IF I could do this segment in 6 minutes I would already get 37 min. But since there's no difference between the time counting I guess we just are bad players. :P

EDIT:
Forgive my if I wrote something inappropriate, I took too much habits from Lance and am "semi-drunk" while posting this. laugh new

Lance Uppercut

2007-05-12 02:51:29 pm

Yeah, finally I am making a difference here! grin new

No, seriously, I am starting to believe you that there is some difference in timing, but I refuse to analyze it any further until I have actually seen "normal good gameplay with good controller" from either of you. Without it that is just.... pointless.

I know that one is just too incapable to analyze own gameplay very accurately, especially while playing :P Unfortunately seeing that gameplay seems impossible for various reasons that are already brought up. Kinda sad too, I am sure I would have enjoyed seeing something like that, many others too.

I might try what kind of time I get with my crappy skills with only that last segment. Maybe it does not make a difference but then I will just do it for my own enjoyment :)

Tonski

2007-05-12 03:06:12 pm

Haha Lance. :)

As I promised, I will in the future film my Red Brinstar -> WS save segment on PAL-version including 2 round Phantoon. You will see my gameplay, but with a very crappy quality that is. :P

I've grown to analyze my own gameplay with time, that's how I could honestly say to everyone reading this post: my 43 min time was a very bad SS run even for PAL-version. I saw all my mistakes in that run, I'm very aware of them and know that sub 40 SS any% on PAL is very possible with a perfecto run. It's only matter of how much under 40 it would go.

But as I said, I will in the future post that segment, no matter how bad the quality is. That has to do as proof.