20% Topic

arkarian

2013-12-10 04:19:32 pm

red chamber dream

does it have to be in twin fires?

arkarian

2013-12-10 04:24:33 pm

red chamber dream

also, would be cool to somehow write a simulator that tosses a samus against every seam in all the clipping of all rooms to find every sw in the game

i bet there are hundreds

Rakaydos

2013-12-10 05:09:17 pm

Quote from arkarian:

does it have to be in twin fires?

Or in the elevator room, if you're REALLY fast at wallcrawling Twin Fires Entry. 0 tank varialess magmore runs are painful

T3

2013-12-10 05:28:23 pm

your two sw options:

1. twin fires sw and transport access sw (i'm almost certain this is possible)
2. phazon/tallon elevator sw, workstation sw, transport access sw

also if you could wallcrawl past that vertical door after omega research then that would open up another option (same as second option except without transport access sw).

negating the heat damage is also obviously another option or skipping some other item.

Quote from arkarian:

also, would be cool to somehow write a simulator that tosses a samus against every seam in all the clipping of all rooms to find every sw in the game

i bet there are hundreds

well considering there are only a couple of clip secret worlds in the entire game i don't know if you'd find very many. almost all secret worlds are by exiting through an open ceiling.

arkarian

2013-12-10 06:22:34 pm

red chamber dream

well, that we know of at least.

creXALBO

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creXALBO: 2013-12-10 06:59:06 pm

creXALBO: 2013-12-10 06:56:35 pm

2013-12-10 06:55:50 pm

Part-time philosopher

A secret world in the elevator in Phazon Mines leading to Tallon Overworld might work as well.

IBBF > Elevator to Far Tallon > Elevator to Phazon Mines > SW in elevator > Wallcrawl to elevator to Magmoor > SW in Magmoor Workstation > Wallcrawl to Plasma Beam

But that is not any more feasible than Twin Fires, i think. Not to mention, is the Phazon Mines wallcrawl even possible?

EDIT: Just saw T3's post saying the same thing

rekameohs

2013-12-11 03:41:45 pm

Anywhere, everywhere

Both methods also would require a Magmoor Workstation SW, which I don't recall ever being done without space jump yet. I would imagine it's doable, much like Transport Access.

Note that the Phazon/Tallon elevator room does indeed have an open roof that you can exit the room through, but it's just way to high to reach, let alone without space jump. Twin Fires would be a greater challenge due to it requiring a clip through a wall.

Baby Sheegoth

2013-12-11 05:28:34 pm

Magmoor Workstation is doable without SJ, done way back in the day

MilesSMB

2013-12-11 05:57:18 pm

Proof please.

Baby Sheegoth

2013-12-11 08:10:10 pm

Bertendor Sparky did it by doing an HBJ off of a frozen pirate. I remember watching the video

MilesSMB

2013-12-11 09:03:26 pm

I'd like actual proof, especially since you're saying that 21% was solved 9 or whatever years ago.

Jerry9

2013-12-11 09:21:02 pm

not evil,just hungry

I remember a Sparky video where he almost got oob off a frozen pirate. Don't think he ever actually made the jump.

Baby Sheegoth

2013-12-11 09:25:21 pm

When did I say that it was solved 9 years ago? :s Why did this become an ad hominem haha

MilesSMB

2013-12-11 09:26:16 pm

Quote from Baby Sheegoth:

[The last thing blocking 21%], done way back in the day

Baby Sheegoth

2013-12-11 09:32:17 pm

Vent Shaft and Geothermal Core(/Workstation) were solved nearly simultaneously, with me providing proof that 21% Vent Shaft was indeed doable whereas Workstation took a little bit more creativity. Sparky posted a few videos in a few different spots, but he finally got it over the Wave Beam door to transport access or whatever the room before the Phendrana elevator is.

Realistically I don't care if you believe me or not, sorry.

MrSpEeDrUn

2013-12-11 09:34:10 pm

MP2 also a bit MP1 speedrunning

well. its pretty important, i mean, if that solves 20% its a pretty big milestone though...

tomatobob

2013-12-11 09:45:43 pm

One shall stand, one shall ball.

Quote from Baby Sheegoth:

Realistically I don't care if you believe me or not, sorry.

Proof please.

Aruki

2013-12-11 10:01:58 pm

that is completely wrong. Sparky did indeed have a video of him bomb jumping into the Workstation SW, and it was done -with- space jump. It was never shown that it was possible to do the bomb jump without it, and IIRC there were other problems with it like the difficulty of even getting on top of the pirate in the first place without SJ and still having to do the jump before it unfroze.

Hazel

2013-12-11 10:03:18 pm

rocks, locks, and invisible blocks

Just throwing this out there, but Workstation is only needed with the Tallon/Phazon Mines elevator SW, a Twin Fires SW does not require it.

T3

2013-12-11 10:23:41 pm

potential 20% solution: find a way to maintain floaty jump after taking an elevator. you'd get floaty jump on tallon then use it to exit the phazon/tallon elevator, workstation, and transport access.

Hazel

2013-12-11 10:31:26 pm

rocks, locks, and invisible blocks

Huh I never thought of that. I'm not sure how likely it is that it could ever be possible to do that though...

Rakaydos

2013-12-12 01:45:29 am

Out of curiosity, since it was my understanding that state changes like Flagara's allow floaty jump, is it possible to get floaty jump in magmore workstation from the cooled lava?

Odylg

2013-12-12 04:50:00 am

I run this here hotel of an evening

yes, iirc

MilesSMB

2013-12-12 08:44:00 am

https://m2k2.taigaforum.com/post/random_research_topic_113.html

Hazel

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Hazel: 2015-09-28 12:45:33 pm

2015-09-28 12:42:34 pm

rocks, locks, and invisible blocks

seems appropriate to post this here, given the new SW on the Frigate that justin stumbled upon, there might be hope would can do something similar here, which would solve 20%

(obviously I hacked the last attempt)