[Spoilers] Where should any% runs end?

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JaggerG: 2010-09-18 03:13:12 am

2010-09-17 01:30:48 pm

Phoenix

Discuss.

I personally think they should go all the way through the second ending, since that's the true end of the game. It doesn't even kick you back to the title screen after the first ending, it just drops you back at your ship. Doing the final hallway full of enemy battles and Phantoon speedily will add a bit more challenge as well. In addition, since 100% runs will have to go through the second ending, having any% runs do so as well will add an element of comparison; how much longer it takes to do 100%.

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UchihaSasuke

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UchihaSasuke: 2010-09-17 01:42:15 pm

2010-09-17 01:41:45 pm

my umbrella goes directly to Bankai

first ending.
you get a completion time after beating the game the first time and can check your percent in the menu after that. the postgame content is useless to do if it isn't 100% imo.

Toozin

2010-09-17 02:06:14 pm

Not impossible

just highly unlikely

I'm no speed runner so my opinion doesn't mean jack, but to me it only makes sense to go to the second ending. I'd be kinda like stopping in Zero Mission before the Zero Suit segment otherwise.

Quietus

2010-09-17 02:13:53 pm

Super Secret Area - Dead Ahead!

I think the first. A couple of reasons: One, that's when the credits roll, which gives the impression of the ending; Two, there's no story attached to the Phantoon section, so it doesn't feel like part of the game, and is very much there as an optional extra.

KingBroly

2010-09-17 02:53:59 pm

Second ending. Only because you'll have to reset the game to get your time if you end at the first.

Quietus

2010-09-17 03:04:54 pm

Super Secret Area - Dead Ahead!

You have to do that with lots of games, though, so it's nothing unusual to have to reset. What's strange is that this Metroid chooses not to display it be default. Maybe it's another snipe at the speedrunning community?

UchihaSasuke

2010-09-17 03:10:11 pm

my umbrella goes directly to Bankai

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Second ending. Only because you'll have to reset the game to get your time if you end at the first.

can't you just wait until the credits play and then look at the menu? all the other Metroids are about the same, except this one lacks the final time screen.

the ZM argument kinda makes sense but that game's ending and credits come at the very end. the thing before the stealth is just an escape sequence and that would be comparable with mp1's escape sequence since it is an escape that occurs way before the actual ending.

ajbolt89

2010-09-17 03:11:04 pm

lol no way

I voted 2nd ending. Phantoon is kinda cool and stuff.

Turtle

2010-09-17 05:29:05 pm

I like turtles.

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there's no story attached to the Phantoon section, so it doesn't feel like part of the game

Because Phantoon is totally important to the story in Super. He's about as relevant in Other M as in Super, considering you have to defeat him to beat the game.

Personally, though, my main reasoning for second ending is that you don't get the obligatory self-destruct sequence otherwise.

Quietus

2010-09-17 07:01:54 pm

Super Secret Area - Dead Ahead!

What do you mean relevant to the story in Super? He's draining power from the Wrecked Ship, and you have to defeat him to restore power, so you can access the ship to obtain the gravity suit. I'd say that's pretty important.

Zeke

2010-09-17 07:15:07 pm

Time bomb set get out fast!

Second ending gets my vote, but don't hold your breath. Prime Hunters has an almost identical situation, and for some reason SDA allows any% to stop at Gorea's first form.

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Maybe it's another snipe at the speedrunning community?

They don't take "snipes" at us. At worst they're less than accomodating, which is just as well because we get mad when they accomodate us on purpose.

Quietus

2010-09-17 07:18:02 pm

Super Secret Area - Dead Ahead!

I is just messin'. It was discussed recently that they'd not only broken sequence breaking, but also put in some guide that it was foolish to try and get things early, so 'snipes' it is. Wink

TheMG2

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TheMG2: 2010-09-17 08:48:26 pm

2010-09-17 08:47:28 pm

Prima is a load of crap. Everybody knows that Prima has the tendency to make stuff up. If you are taking them seriously...

EDIT: Um... I am honestly not sure which one...

Toozin

2010-09-17 09:47:48 pm

Not impossible

just highly unlikely

Here, a question, then: do Prince of Persia 08 speedruns end at the credits, or do they do the bit afterwards? Other M, being in a similar situation, should follow precedent.

JaggerG

2010-09-18 03:12:43 am

Shifty Leader

That M2k2 guy

Didn't Phantoon have some attachment to Mother Brain? I don't see any reason to discount the missing item retrieval from a speedrun. I had been under the impression that it also saves the game after you beat that. Note that after you beat it and load back in, you have as many items as you had picked up in that segment, plus all the rooms you had traversed in that segment appearing on the map, and the hall leading to the boss being cleared out.

Zeke

2010-09-18 03:42:41 am

Time bomb set get out fast!

If nothing else, the Pirates were aware of Phantoon. The access-to-Tourian statue keeps track of whether he's still alive.

Opium

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Opium: 2010-09-18 06:58:13 am

2010-09-18 06:58:05 am

I think the super metroid guide described him as some kind of alien ghost haunting the wrecked ship and interfering with its electrical systems.

Quietus

2010-09-18 01:06:48 pm

Super Secret Area - Dead Ahead!

Quote from MarioGalaxy2433g5:

Prima is a load of crap. Everybody knows that Prima has the tendency to make stuff up. If you are taking them seriously...

Nope.

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I is just messin'.

TheMG2

2010-09-18 01:10:55 pm

Well, your intentionally poor grammar confused me into thinking you were talking about the previous post.

Quietus

2010-09-18 01:21:10 pm

Super Secret Area - Dead Ahead!

Do you not read them in order? Zeke mentioned me mentioning 'sniping'. I mentioned that it was just a jolly jest, based on another conversation from the forum, and me saying "just messin'" threw you?

TheMG2

2010-09-18 01:23:45 pm

No. It was the "is". I was confused because it wasn't 'am'. I thought you meant 'was'.

Quietus

2010-09-18 01:25:02 pm

Super Secret Area - Dead Ahead!

But "I was just messin'" or "I am just messin'" would equate to the same thing. Razz

Baron Dante

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Baron Dante: 2010-09-21 04:38:22 am

2010-09-21 04:37:34 am

Someone said that it has to be the second ending cause of the obligatory Escape Sequence.

So does that mean Prime end at the Frigate? No. Does it mean Corruption does not end at all? NO. Does this post hold any relevance in the end? NO.

Voted 2nd cause the first one didn't end in a boss fight though. It was lame honestly.

Hitaka

2010-09-21 11:18:09 am

Phoenix

Corruption has an escape sequence, or rather a countdown. When you have to stop the Leviathan from impacting Norion.

KingBroly

2010-09-21 11:25:38 am

But that's at the beginning of the game, though.

Wait, can you actually fail that? I thought it was scripted.

	First ending	(3)
	Second ending	(11)