Total Metroid Time v3

2013-05-10 02:12:26 pm

Shifty Leader

That M2k2 guy

Possible theory: perhaps the cutscenes DO count, but nav room maps and item unlocking count as pause menus, thus subtracting in-game time. Maybe there ARE an hour and 55 minutes of cutscenes added, but half an hour of pause screens subtracted.

Prime Hunter

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Prime Hunter: 2013-05-10 02:24:05 pm

2013-05-10 02:23:21 pm

Cutscenes count at least. I saw in that best times topic that Paraxade tested it out by playing through the beginning twice. First time he skipped the cutscenes, where as the second he let them play out and it ended up being about 12 minutes either way. (Maybe off by 30 seconds or so due to gameplay differences?)

Interesting theory about the maps and items though. Other games pause on the maps, but do most of the newer ones skip the time it takes for item pickups? I don't remember.

JaggerG

2013-05-10 02:46:53 pm

Shifty Leader

That M2k2 guy

Didn't he mention in a later post that he forgotten he had gone through a tutorial? But yeah, that's probably right. That post proves at the very least that SKIPPING cutscenes doesn't make a difference. I think the full run times do indicate more solidly that the cutscenes actually do count against your file time.

JaggerG

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JaggerG: 2013-05-10 03:14:19 pm

2013-05-10 03:12:59 pm

Shifty Leader

That M2k2 guy

okay yeah maybe he had been right, I loaded the game at 11:50, it loaded for several seconds, I played through the cutscenes, used sense move against the pirate hologram for a solid 2 minutes, and made sure to enter my ship after my clock flipped to 12:05. My in-game time is 14:53. This implies to me that the initial loading time didn't count because the file hadn't been loaded yet, but it also indicates that time is still tracked normally during sense-move, so the timer is still running at normal speed.

Then I reloaded the save and saved again as soon as I could (it's harder than it sounds!), to get a time of 15:08. Holy crap reloading a save is costly! It must have included the mission summation report, too.

JaggerG

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JaggerG: 2013-05-10 03:46:31 pm

2013-05-10 03:39:06 pm

Shifty Leader

That M2k2 guy

uhhhhhhhhhhhhh so I started the file from my first save at 12:14, and saved at 12:34. I sat on the missile unlock screen for a minute before continuing the boss fight, then died shortly after and selected continue to start at the point right after authorizing missiles. I mashed to bypass the map directions and bomb authorization.

Save time for 20 minute session - +12:26. ;>_>

EDIT: Loaded again, did the first mission after the save after adam's speech, 4 minutes real time, 3:19 in-game.

tomatobob

2013-05-10 03:46:54 pm

One shall stand, one shall ball.

Quote from kirbymastah:

As much as I hate the story of other m, I must admit that the transitioning between each cutscene in theatre mode was pretty neat.

When you design a game to be a movie first that'll happen! :v

Prime Hunter

2013-05-10 03:53:09 pm

Other M just doesn't want to earn points with anybody, does it? Timing sounds incredibly inconsistent so far.

I'm at a loss as to how you're missing 7.5 minutes based on what you did. Some of it would come back from reloading, but that sounds like way too much if you died soon after the point where the game brings you back in.

Prime Hunter

2013-05-10 03:56:23 pm

Want to know the strange thing? I'm suddenly getting an urge to play Other M for myself just to see what's going on with the timer.

tomatobob

2013-05-10 04:06:10 pm

One shall stand, one shall ball.

So I'm sort of convinced Other M is just a really elaborate troll at this point, is that fair?

I mean that timing seems way too fucked for it not to be.

JaggerG

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JaggerG: 2013-05-10 04:34:34 pm

2013-05-10 04:34:10 pm

Shifty Leader

That M2k2 guy

sounds about right, tombob.

Actually I checked my timings on the cutscenes again, and there's a really early cutscene that costs 6:59. Pretty sure that's the Confession Time cutscene. This seems to imply that only CERTAIN cutscenes count. O_o

Prime Hunter

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Prime Hunter: 2013-05-10 06:52:30 pm

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Prime Hunter: 2013-05-10 06:39:35 pm

2013-05-10 06:39:05 pm

I did a test run of the post game segment a little earlier. Loaded up the completed save file for one of my runs and ran back to Phantoon. 11 minutes real time between hitting "Start Game" on the menu (started back at the ship) and regaining control of Samus after saving outside his room. 09:18 in-game. No cutscenes at all in that part, no gauntlet fight either since it was on a finished file, and I only paused for maybe 10-20 seconds to look at the map when I couldn't remember how to get back to the top of the main sector. Then it took somewhere between 9 and 10 minutes real time to defeat Phantoon and run the escape sequence, starting at "Start Game" again and finishing once the completion percentage screen faded out, skipping both the helmet scene and the final takeoff/Bottle Ship explosion once I remembered how to do it. 10:21 in-game.

Make up your mind, game!

At least I can confirm now that the time on the menu after finishing the escape sequence is accurate, since it updated between when I saved for Phantoon and when I came back to the menu after finishing entirely.

I did a test run of the post game segment a little earlier. Loaded up the completed save file for one of my runs and ran back to Phantoon. 11 minutes real time between hitting "Start Game" on the menu (started back at the ship) and regaining control of Samus after saving outside his room. 09:18 in-game. No cutscenes at all in that part, no gauntlet fight either since it was on a finished file, and I only paused for maybe 10-20 seconds to look at the map when I couldn't remember how to get back to the top of the main sector. Then it took somewhere between 9 and 10 minutes real time to defeat Phantoon and run the escape sequence, starting at "Start Game" again and finishing once the completion percentage screen faded out, skipping both the helmet scene and the final takeoff/Bottle Ship explosion once I remembered how to do it. 10:21 in-game.

Make up your mind, game!

At least I can confirm now that the time on the menu after finishing the escape sequence is accurate, since it updated between when I saved for Phantoon and when I came back to the menu after finishing entirely.

MASTER-88

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MASTER-88: 2013-05-11 11:54:16 am

MASTER-88: 2013-05-11 11:53:56 am

2013-05-11 11:22:26 am

Speedrunner

Great list Prime hunter. I have to fixed some things.

I am actually beat Metroid other M. My clear time was quite par like Hunters. Just around 16 hours. So its will be listed 15:00.

Metroid Prime. I got beat my PAL time used NTSC version so my new time is 1:13.
**********
So my new any-% total time is 54:36 if i counted it right.

About 100% category
Metroid 1 (no completed 20:00
Metroid 2 return of samus (1:28)
Super Metroid 1:05
Metroid Fusion 1:16
Metroid Zero mission 0:56
Metroid Prime 1:32
Metroid Prime 2 echoes: 2:42
Metroid Prime 3 corruption: no completed 20:00
Metroid prime hunters: no completed 20:00
Metroid other m: no completed 20:00.

Prime Hunter

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Prime Hunter: 2013-05-11 06:04:52 pm

Prime Hunter: 2013-05-11 06:04:43 pm

Prime Hunter: 2013-05-11 06:04:29 pm

2013-05-11 12:02:20 pm

Decided to start a fresh run of Other M and time myself using both Real Time and Game Time. I was pretty rusty and forgot a few things that lead to 2 of my 3 deaths, the other because I couldn't get concentration to work fast enough in the heat area.

RT: approximately 01:35:XX with maybe 5 minutes of error due to the deaths and having to re-traverse segments
GT: 01:45:54 at the 1st save after getting the Varia Suit

I made a note of the game time when I reached the 1st save in Sector 1 and 3 as well as my 3 deaths. Other than the start to Sector 1 (17 RT, 30 GT) and the adult Ridley segment (3+ RT, 6 GT) the times have actually been within a minute or so of each other, which makes sense because I kept track from the moment I hit start game in the menu to when I had finished saving at my destination so it's including the initial loading with the plot summary.

I'll continue with this later.

Edit: Played through the majority of Sector 2's first run, got up to the Wave Beam and unlocking the elevator at the end but had to stop for now. 44+ RT, 45 GT. Kind of surprised at that one because there's a few cutscenes near the end of that part and it didn't seem to effect the timer that much, if at all. Up to ~02:19:XX RT (including errors) and 02:31:04 GT at this point.

Decided to start a fresh run of Other M and time myself using both Real Time and Game Time. I was pretty rusty and forgot a few things that lead to 2 of my 3 deaths, the other because I couldn't get concentration to work fast enough in the heat area.

RT: approximately 01:35:XX with maybe 5 minutes of error due to the deaths and having to re-traverse segments
GT: 01:45:54 at the 1st save after getting the Varia Suit

I made a note of the game time when I reached the 1st save in Sector 1 and 3 as well as my 3 deaths. Other than the start to Sector 1 (17 RT, 30 GT) and the adult Ridley segment (3+ RT, 6 GT) the times have actually been within a minute or so of each other, which makes sense because I kept track from the moment I hit start game in the menu to when I had finished saving at my destination so it's including the initial loading with the plot summary.

I'll continue with this later.

Edit: Played through the majority of Sector 2's first run, got up to the Wave Beam and unlocking the elevator at the end but had to stop for now. 44+ RT, 45 GT. Kind of surprised at that one because there's a few cutscenes near the end of that part and it didn't seem to effect the timer that much, if at all. Up to ~02:19:XX RT (including errors) and 02:31:04 GT at this point.

Prime Hunter

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Prime Hunter: 2013-05-12 05:01:04 pm

Prime Hunter: 2013-05-12 05:00:29 pm

2013-05-12 04:28:51 pm

Finished my run with a time of 05:07:08. Real Time came out to about 04:08:XX over the course of 19 total segments, but that includes 6 deaths where I died between saves so my RT is skewed slightly as a result. If you take off about 30 seconds per segment for the initial load time (00:09:30) and then roughly 10-15 minutes for those deaths (estimating how much time I lost having to redo game segments) that would suggest there's about 01:45 or so of padded time on every run.

Obviously it would be easier to tell how close my estimate is if this was done in a single segment run but I didn't think I'd be good enough to accomplish that yet, since I haven't really played the game since it came out. Now that I've refreshed myself I might try to do one later this week. I'll see how it goes.

Edit: Wow, did I botch the math on that one. More like 1:20 - 1:25 padded onto every run, which is a lot less than Theater Mode suggests.

JaggerG

2013-05-14 07:42:05 am

Shifty Leader

That M2k2 guy

Yeah I figured it's not the same amount of time as the full theater mode because the 7 minute Confession Time cutscene appears excluded specifically. An hour sounds like it could be a good estimate, putting TheOnlyOne at 3:30ish, and that makes sense if the best time in the time/% thread is from a long time ago and half an hour longer. It's never been a competitive game.

JaggerG

2013-05-22 02:33:30 pm

Shifty Leader

That M2k2 guy

Let's continue this discussion here, for the sake of organization. I linked my cutscene run in there, and plan to do a non-cutscene run after I think I have an idea of all the cutscenes that are added on.

Tahngarthor

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Tahngarthor: 2013-05-23 03:32:12 am

2013-05-23 03:29:41 am

Bangaa Bishop

wow, is other M really the longest game in the series by fastest completion time? Or are we arguing that it's only longer because the timer is supposedly counting dring some moments in which the player has no control of the game?

JaggerG

2013-05-23 04:05:25 am

Shifty Leader

That M2k2 guy

It's actually the longest, yeah. The current record I listed is in real time, so yeah, by far the longest. It's quick to improve, though, as there aren't any routes to learn other than 100%, really. Just get to objective as fast as you can, find the best attack sequence to defeat bosses quickly. Apparently there's a strat against Gumby to 2-round its final phase. I had no idea you could missile its hand once it's frozen...

kirbymastah

2013-05-25 01:10:23 am

100% In-game Other M for me is 10:51, which I just checked since I'm finally home. I'm doing a speedthrough of it again to see if I can bring that down a little (no, I am not going to learn other m).

I also did Metroid 1 in ~7:23, 100%, in RTA time.

Dragondarch

2013-05-25 09:41:36 pm

Quote from kirbymastah:

I also did Metroid 1 in ~7:23, 100%, in RTA time.

Cut about 6.5 hours off that, and we'll talk Wink

kirbymastah

2013-05-27 08:45:11 pm

What do you put down as any% for other m? the time after the last cutscene (but not post-game)? If so, mine is 05:32:14 -_-

how does jagger put up with this game...

JaggerG

2013-05-27 11:15:21 pm

Shifty Leader

That M2k2 guy

Apparently it auto-saves after the escape sequence, so take the time after that.

Prime Hunter

2013-05-27 11:56:49 pm

Quote from kirbymastah:

how does jagger put up with this game...

Very carefully.

And yes, the final time on the menu is accurate even though the game doesn't tell us this when it gives us the final completion percentage. I've tested it twice recently and even on a fully completed file if you run the post game again the time will update between the final save before Phantoon and once you've finished the escape sequence.

kirbymastah

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kirbymastah: 2013-05-30 03:11:42 pm

kirbymastah: 2013-05-28 08:54:32 pm

2013-05-28 08:54:20 pm

After the escape sequence, I got 07:58:57. Never... again... ~~inb4 i try to get sub-7 hour since I actually know the game...~~

So... my total times are:

100%

Metroid 7:23
Metroid 2 6:13
Super Metroid 1:56
Metroid Fusion 1:07
Metroid ZM 0:55
Metroid Prime 2:02
Metroid Prime 2 2:21
Metroid Prime 3 3:27
Other M 7:58
Total 33:22

Any%

Metroid 7:23
Metroid 2 6:13
Super Metroid 1:56
Metroid Fusion 0:48
Metroid ZM 0:33
Metroid Prime 1:47
Metroid Prime 2 1:25
Metroid Prime 3 2:38
Other M 7:58
Total 30:41

kirbymastah

2013-05-30 03:11:22 pm

why did I put down 1:08 for fusion 100%... I have a 1:07 <_< I just editted my above post