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arkarian
2012-07-01 12:39:25 pm
red chamber dream
right. i just don't get why you'd call a man who's essentially a character actor a "she" just because he plays a female
Opium
2012-07-01 12:46:08 pm
Whether in or out of costume, 'she' is still a queen. 
arkarian
2012-07-01 12:47:31 pm
red chamber dream
you just sound like a fangirl
tomatobob
2012-07-01 05:00:55 pm
One shall stand, one shall ball.
Quote from arkarian:
right. i just don't get why you'd call a man who's essentially a character actor a "she" just because he plays a female

It's because the character is a "she" and you don't have to be in full drag to be in character. It's not hard dude.
arkarian
2012-07-01 05:12:27 pm
red chamber dream
it's still fucking stupid, learn to separate reality from entertainment
arkarian
2012-07-01 05:13:06 pm
red chamber dream
it's people like opium who just feed crazy people even more bullshit
tomatobob
2012-07-01 05:35:04 pm
One shall stand, one shall ball.
I no reason not to use the preferred identifier of a person who is by all appearances perfectly healthy. Dude wants to drag it up and be referred to as she fine, have a blast.
arkarian
2012-07-01 05:44:18 pm
red chamber dream
um, so i should do something someone wants me to just because they want me to?

btw i guarantee you he's not "perfectly healthy"
tomatobob
2012-07-01 05:55:22 pm
One shall stand, one shall ball.
All I'm saying is nobody else has the ability to decide for you what you're identified as. If you want to be known as Asshat Buttchapeau that's your business. Nobody has any basis for telling you you can't be, people do it all the time. Gender identifiers are no different, if someone wants to be called he or she there's no reason to "correct" them, it's largely meaningless as it is.

Quote from arkarian:
btw i guarantee you he's not "perfectly healthy"

Based on what?
arkarian
2012-07-01 05:56:52 pm
red chamber dream
based on the fact that otherwise healthy people don't become drag queens without some sort of unresolved trauma
arkarian
2012-07-01 05:57:45 pm
red chamber dream
and sure, i don't give a fuck what someone wants to identify as, but that doesn't mean i have to go along with it and pretend it's perfectly fine and they're totally normal
arkarian
2012-07-01 05:57:56 pm
red chamber dream
so sick of the whole "you can't judge anyone" mantra
tomatobob
2012-07-01 06:18:37 pm
One shall stand, one shall ball.
Well there are some judgements most people just aren't qualified to make, such as mental health conditions!
arkarian
2012-07-01 06:19:29 pm
red chamber dream
it's not a judgment, just a fact, look it up
tomatobob
2012-07-01 06:19:36 pm
One shall stand, one shall ball.
Quote from arkarian:
and sure, i don't give a fuck what someone wants to identify as, but that doesn't mean i have to go along with it and pretend it's perfectly fine and they're totally normal

This means you do, in fact, give a fuck.

But it's kind of a dumb thing to care about.
arkarian
2012-07-01 06:20:41 pm
red chamber dream
um, well i DO care that they should be able to do whatever they want ... i'm not saying they shouldn't

and i also DO care that i shouldn't be required to go along with their bullshit
arkarian
2012-07-01 06:20:44 pm
red chamber dream
so ok, i guess i do care >_>
tomatobob
2012-07-01 06:21:09 pm
One shall stand, one shall ball.
Quote from arkarian:
it's not a judgment, just a fact, look it up

Sure but you can't diagnose an individual's mental status without actual years of work studying mental illness and actually speaking with the individual. All you can do is guess.
arkarian
2012-07-01 06:22:16 pm
red chamber dream
right ... but the fact remains that abnormal sexual behavior doesn't occur without trauma
arkarian
2012-07-01 06:22:26 pm
red chamber dream
it's just a fact, like i said, look it up
arkarian
2012-07-01 06:22:34 pm
red chamber dream
don't really need to guess about it
tomatobob
2012-07-01 06:24:49 pm
One shall stand, one shall ball.
Not sure how abnormal drag is, honestly. Seems more like a societal construct than anything, and I am all about societal constructs being told to fuck off.
arkarian
2012-07-01 06:25:41 pm
red chamber dream
maybe it's not, but someone staying in that persona all the time certainly is
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arkarian: 2012-07-01 06:26:06 pm
2012-07-01 06:26:01 pm
red chamber dream
given, i don't know if that's what aaron coady does, that's just what opium made it sound like
tomatobob
2012-07-01 06:26:22 pm
One shall stand, one shall ball.
Little of both most likely. :v