The startling truth, and the lurking horrors

2004-02-25 02:09:39 am

Alright, y'all are going to think I'm crazyer

But I have a thought. To explain this thought, I must tell a story.

I was playing zero mission, see? I saw those statue heads of Ridley and Kraid before the elevator to Tourian. When I saw them I says to myself "self, that looks an aweful lot like a Chozo head" in reference to the Ridley head...

That head looks, dare I say it, Chozotic. Chozesque, if you will. Very bird-like in any respect.

At this point my brain started making connections. Like, the long, skinny, lanky limbs, which are shared between statues of chozo and torizo (and chozo ghosts in prime) and Ridley.

And then I saw those... drawings, wall paintings, what have you, of chozo in the background of zero mission during various parts. Chozo with... WINGS on their backs... and my brain started making more connections...

Then I remembered what the NES instruction manual said about Ridley being the "original life form of Zebes", or something to that effect, I'm too lazy to go look up the exact quote. And this game makes it very clear that Chozo were living on zebes before the space pirates decided to move in. And my brain made... ah you get the idea, Ridley related to chozo.

I think this is undeniable PROOF that the pirates landed on zebes, took the place over, but finding the chozo an impressive species with fighting potential, they took chozo dna and created a chozo/pirate hybrid to be their ultimate melee fighting force!

Well... maybe I over-extrapolated a bit... still, it's eerie, ain't it? I can't explain the tail, but I don't gotta, nyah.

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Alright, y'all are going to think I'm crazy[color=#282828]er[/color]

But I have a thought.  To explain this thought, I must tell a story.

I was playing zero mission, see?  I saw those statue heads of Ridley and Kraid before the elevator to Tourian.  When I saw them I says to myself "self, that looks an aweful lot like a Chozo head" in reference to the Ridley head...

That head looks, dare I say it, Chozotic.  Chozesque, if you will.  Very bird-like in any respect.

At this point my brain started making connections.  Like, the long, skinny, lanky limbs, which are shared between statues of chozo and torizo (and chozo ghosts in prime) and Ridley.

And then I saw those... drawings, wall paintings, what have you, of chozo in the background of zero mission during various parts.  Chozo with... WINGS on their backs... and my brain started making more connections...

Then I remembered what the NES instruction manual said about Ridley being the "original life form of Zebes", or something to that effect, I'm too lazy to go look up the exact quote.  And this game makes it very clear that Chozo were living on zebes before the space pirates decided to move in.  And my brain made... ah you get the idea, Ridley related to chozo.

I think this is undeniable PROOF that the pirates landed on zebes, took the place over, but finding the chozo an impressive species with fighting potential, they took chozo dna and created a chozo/pirate hybrid to be their ultimate melee fighting force!

Well... maybe I over-extrapolated a bit... still, it's eerie, ain't it?  I can't explain the tail, but I don't gotta, nyah.

[color=#282828]To anyone who isn't using the black color scheme for this board, that "er" was supposed to be invisible until highlight over, and hence a bad attempt at a gag.  Shame on you for not conforming!  We accept you.  We accept you.  One of us.  One of us[/color]

nate

2004-02-25 09:45:30 am

Quote from Sesshoumaru:

... the pirates landed on zebes, took the place over, but finding the chozo an impressive species with fighting potential, they took chozo dna and created a chozo/pirate hybrid to be their ultimate melee fighting force!

this sounds like a very pie rate thing to do based on what we saw in prime. it also puts the defeat of meta ridley scene in prime into a whole new light.

skynes

2004-02-25 10:02:47 am

I had a thought that the Space Pirates themselves has connections to Chozo. Look at their faces... all beaky n all.

The chozo used to be highly technologically advanced, but got scared their Tech would take over them right? So they retreated to worlds and built natural worlds using nature itself.

What if some of the Chozo stayed behind and became the Space Pirates? They were the Chozo that WERE consumed by power and technology which explains why they wanted the Metroids and Phazon etc.
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I like that idea of Ridley being a hybrid. It WOULD explain why the chozo statues blasted him in MP. AND y he keeps coming back in every game no matter how many times he gets killed!

Ridley dies - Pirates clone another! No problem...

Light of Day

2004-02-25 10:32:34 am

Quote from skynes:

What if some of the Chozo stayed behind and became the Space Pirates? They were the Chozo that WERE consumed by power and technology which explains why they wanted the Metroids and Phazon etc.

Nice theory, but if you loonk carefully at some of the pirate logs in Prime, then you'll discover that the pirates don't know the Chozo language. Also, they don't understand the Chozo technology is Samus' suit, leading to flawed and less powerful copies of her beam weapons, and a disasterous attempt to copy the morph ball which instantly killed all those who tested it. Unless, of course, the Pirates went their own way before the technology in Samus' suit was invented, making them only very distantly related. It's an interesting theory, none-the-less.

The "Ridley is part Chozo" theory theory is very interesting, too. I'm not sure he was crossed with a Pirate, though, or if he was he was then genitically modified to an extreme amount afterwards. Making him part Chozo puts a deeper meaning behind just about everything he does. For instance, look at his first entry into Samus' life. Samus' old life was ended by a part Chozo, only for her to begin a new life with other Chozo. There is a hazardous amount of irony there.

[quote="skynes"]What if some of the Chozo stayed behind and became the Space Pirates? They were the Chozo that WERE consumed by power and technology which explains why they wanted the Metroids and Phazon etc.[/quote]
Nice theory, but if you loonk carefully at some of the pirate logs in Prime, then you'll discover that the pirates don't know the Chozo language. Also, they don't understand the Chozo technology is Samus' suit, leading to flawed and less powerful copies of her beam weapons, and a disasterous attempt to copy the morph ball which instantly killed all those who tested it. Unless, of course, the Pirates went their own way before the technology in Samus' suit was invented, making them only very distantly related. It's an interesting theory, none-the-less.

The "Ridley is part Chozo" theory theory is very interesting, too. I'm not sure he was crossed with a Pirate, though, or if he was he was then genitically modified to an extreme amount afterwards. Making him part Chozo puts a deeper meaning behind just about everything he does. For instance, look at his first entry into Samus' life. Samus' old life was ended by a part Chozo, only for her to begin a new life with other Chozo. There is a hazardous amount of irony there.

skynes

2004-02-25 10:37:05 am

Samus' parents were killed by Space Pirates. Then Samus was raised by the Chozo.

Her suit would not have been made until she was coming old enough to use it. The Pirates killed the people when she was a child so that's a fair amount of time for the Chozo to develop new technology.

Tallon IV is an example of Chozo tech of using the mechanical and biological to create a civilisation. It is not purely metal but neither is it purely plants n stuff. It's a mix of them.

Samus' suit is the same. It is part metal and part biological. So it would have been made when the Chozo worked with Biological Technology.

Since the Pirates would have left chozo civilisation for a life of piracy n stuff they would not have had any of the benefits of biotech. They only had metal n stuff. This is supported by their bases and ships. They're purely metal based.
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Ridley being chozo and thep irates being chozo also gives a reason for why Samus hunts them (other than the killing they do) and the chozo giving her weapons.

Chozo view them akin to traitors. Samus had her family killed by them, twice.

Samus' parents were killed  by Space Pirates. Then Samus was raised by the Chozo.

Her suit would not have been made until she was coming old enough to use it. The Pirates killed the people when she was a child so that's a fair amount of time for the Chozo to develop new technology.

Tallon IV is an example of Chozo tech of using the mechanical and biological to create a civilisation. It is not purely metal but neither is it purely plants n stuff. It's a mix of them.

Samus' suit is the same. It is part metal and part biological. So it would have been made when the Chozo worked with Biological Technology.

Since the Pirates would have left chozo civilisation for a life of piracy n stuff they would not have had any of the benefits of biotech. They only had metal n stuff.  This is supported by their bases and ships. They're purely metal based.
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Ridley being chozo and thep irates being chozo also gives a reason for why Samus hunts them (other than the killing they do) and the chozo giving her weapons.

Chozo view them akin to traitors. Samus had her family killed by them, twice.

Light of Day

2004-02-25 11:04:12 am

Quote from skynes:

Her suit would not have been made until she was coming old enough to use it. The Pirates killed the people when she was a child so that's a fair amount of time for the Chozo to develop new technology.

True, the base suit you start each game with saw custom-made for Samus, but every enhancement for it was not. Morph balls, missiles, wave beams, even the suit upgrades such as varia and gravity all seem to be standard parts of Chozo technology, not unique to Samus at all. In Zero Mission, there's even scenes where you see paintings and sculptures of Chozo wearing power suits, which along with the commenness of the upgrades (every Chozo planet we've seen so far appears to have most of the upgrades) seems to indicate that the technology has been around a heck of a lot longer than Samus has.

Your point about the Chozos use of organic technology still stands, though. Sure, the Pirates do a heck of a lot of genetics, but that's working with pre-exsiting life forms. As far as we know, only the Chozo built their own technology with synthetic organic components, even if technically we don't know that the pirates don't. If Fusion is to be believed, even Chozo statues are part organic, as an X copies one (although I've never understood why the X gives you the charge beam, when it's blantently copying a statue holding the morph ball upgrade).

[quote="skynes"]Her suit would not have been made until she was coming old enough to use it. The Pirates killed the people when she was a child so that's a fair amount of time for the Chozo to develop new technology.[/quote]
True, the base suit you start each game with saw custom-made for Samus, but every enhancement for it was not. Morph balls, missiles, wave beams, even the suit upgrades such as varia and gravity all seem to be standard parts of Chozo technology, not unique to Samus at all. In Zero Mission, there's even scenes where you see paintings and sculptures of Chozo wearing power suits, which along with the commenness of the upgrades (every Chozo planet we've seen so far appears to have most of the upgrades) seems to indicate that the technology has been around a heck of a lot longer than Samus has.

Your point about the Chozos use of organic technology still stands, though. Sure, the Pirates do a heck of a lot of genetics, but that's working with pre-exsiting life forms. As far as we know, only the Chozo built their own technology with synthetic organic components, even if technically we don't know that the pirates don't. If Fusion is to be believed, even Chozo statues are part organic, as an X copies one (although I've never understood why the X gives you the charge beam, when it's blantently copying a statue holding the morph ball upgrade).

skynes

2004-02-25 11:21:28 am

The statue was holding a container. Bust the container and the charge beam would have been inside.

anyway what I think is that the Space Pirates KNOW that the chozo had advanced BioTech - maybe one of the reasons they attacked them. They're trying to copy it (like the morph ball and beam weapons) but can't.

I think they can't because the Chozo were more natural focused and kinda used a lot of nature in their creations. the Pirates just want power. they manipulate.

Light of Day

2004-02-25 12:01:23 pm

Quote from skynes:

The statue was holding a container. Bust the container and the charge beam would have been inside.

You can bust the container, and it reveals a featureless circle inside - the morph ball powerup.

Quote from skynes:

anyway what I think is that the Space Pirates KNOW that the chozo had advanced BioTech - maybe one of the reasons they attacked them. They're trying to copy it (like the morph ball and beam weapons) but can't.

The pirates only attacked the Choo on Zebes. At first glance, it appears that they did so because Zebes is essentially a natural fortress, so pretty easy to defend, and the Chozo just happened to get in the way. You could be onto something, though. Maybe the natural defenses were only a bonus, and the real reason for the attack was Chozo technology. Actually, thinking about it, there's a scene in Zero Mission which adds a lot of credence to your theory:

Near the end of the game, you see a lot of Space Pirates in a Chozo ruin. One of them makes off with a power bomb tank, taking it back to their mothership assumedly fo them to study it.

[quote="skynes"]The statue was holding a container. Bust the container and the charge beam would have been inside.[/quote]
You can bust the container, and it reveals a featureless circle inside - the morph ball powerup.

[quote="skynes"]anyway what I think is that the Space Pirates KNOW that the chozo had advanced BioTech - maybe one of the reasons they attacked them. They're trying to copy it (like the morph ball and beam weapons) but can't.[/quote]
The pirates only attacked the Choo on Zebes. At first glance, it appears that they did so because Zebes is essentially a natural fortress, so pretty easy to defend, and the Chozo just happened to get in the way. You could be onto something, though. Maybe the natural defenses were only a bonus, and the real reason for the attack was Chozo technology. Actually, thinking about it, there's a scene in Zero Mission which adds a lot of credence to your theory:
[spoiler]Near the end of the game, you see a lot of Space Pirates in a Chozo ruin. One of them makes off with a power bomb tank, taking it back to their mothership assumedly fo them to study it.[/spoiler]

Faust

2004-02-25 01:13:37 pm

Quote from skynes:

Samus' parents were killed by Space Pirates. Then Samus was raised by the Chozo.

If the Space Pirates killed her parents when she was a child, that means that the supposed Space Pirate faction of the Chozo had already split off some time before then, which may have given them enough time to develop away from the technological path of the Chozo. Both the Chozo and Space Pirates have a relatively deep understanding of biological entities, which could be a manifestation of a possible shared genetic background. They both desire to increase their knowledge but whereas the Chozo expand their knowledge to gain harmony with the things around them, the Space Pirates expand their knowledge to gain control over the things around them.

This would also put an interesting twist on Space Pirate research of the Chozo, as if by uncovering Chozo secrets they are examining their own heritage.

It's a very intriguing thought and I'm not sure anyone could say for certain either way. Even going back to Super Metroid, you could see a few similarities between their physical structure. Hell, the Space Pirates even crow like birds when you kill them in SM, though sound isn't a strong argument.

The idea that Ridley is a hybrid of the two is also fascinating. It could be possible to classify him as an even older creature than the Chozo in which case he could be the base species from which the Chozo and Space Pirates came. It's entirely possible that two divisions of Ridley's species evolved differently, which would more thoroughly explain the uncanny similarities between them and the general lack of understanding they have for one another.(This creature from the MP2 demo video looks like a Chozo-Space Pirate hybrid too.)

[quote="skynes"]Samus' parents were killed  by Space Pirates. Then Samus was raised by the Chozo.[/quote]

If the Space Pirates killed her parents when she was a child, that means that the supposed Space Pirate faction of the Chozo had already split off some time before then, which may have given them enough time to develop away from the technological path of the Chozo.  Both the Chozo and Space Pirates have a relatively deep understanding of biological entities, which could be a manifestation of a possible shared genetic background.  They both desire to increase their knowledge but whereas the Chozo expand their knowledge to gain harmony with the things around them, the Space Pirates expand their knowledge to gain control over the things around them.

This would also put an interesting twist on Space Pirate research of the Chozo, as if by uncovering Chozo secrets they are examining their own heritage.

It's a very intriguing thought and I'm not sure anyone could say for certain either way.  Even going back to Super Metroid, you could see a few similarities between their physical structure.  Hell, the Space Pirates even crow like birds when you kill them in SM, though sound isn't a strong argument.

The idea that Ridley is a hybrid of the two is also fascinating.  It could be possible to classify him as an even older creature than the Chozo in which case he could be the base species from which the Chozo and Space Pirates came.  It's entirely possible that two divisions of Ridley's species evolved differently, which would more thoroughly explain the uncanny similarities between them [i]and[/i] the general lack of understanding they have for one another.([url=http://image.com.com/gamespot/images/2003/e3/0513b/gc_metroidprime20513_screen007.jpg]This creature[/url] from the MP2 demo video looks like a Chozo-Space Pirate hybrid too.)

Sesshoumaru

2004-02-25 03:54:57 pm

Well if Ridley is related to the chozo, however he may be, it WOULD make the whole Samus Ridley rivalry have a nice dimension to it, wouldn't it?

I'm sure everyone here has noticed the strange trend there's been toward playing ridley up.

There's been SIX Ridleys in as many games now compared to half as many Mother Brains.

And Ridley was the final boss of Zero Mission! Kind of... but about time if you ask me.

I think they're trying to turn Ridley into the villain of the series. The Bowser, if you will. Just as bowser was the biggest baddest Koopa of all the Koopa, who were collectively the enemy force of Mario, so too is Samus' enemy a collective group, the space pirates, and Ridley is the baddest fighter of the group.

And having Ridley have that kind of connection to samus would make him a perfect choice to be her arch-nemesis. Even cooler would be if he had some specific relation to the chozo that raised her.

Stew on THIS: samus was on a space colony that was raided by pirates. Then the chozo came to the colony in the aftermath and found her.

Now why did the chozo go there do you suppose? They were persuing ridley and the gang, perhaps? Perhaps... Because Ridley had some special connection to a few of those specific perhaps? And it would then be those very chozo who found samus and raised her? Perhaps...

Well, they probably won't do anything that deep in the series. It'd be pretty keen though.

*heavy breathing* Samus, I am your STEP-UNCLE! *heavy breathing*

Now then, about the whole organic vs technological issue. Can the X replicate machine parts, or just absorb them? Because we have to consider Fusion, and all 10 SA-X's flying around the station due to the original replicating.

And we ought to conisder what the X being able to "reproduce [the suit] asexually" implies as far as it's make-up.

Maybe it really is kind of a... second skin. Not just metaphorically, but actually a giant organ that bonds to samus or something. I mean why is it unremovable unless samus wills it to be? Perhaps a 100% organic piece of technology. I mean we know the Chozo can create organic things without having to include machinery in them (metroids anyone?) so it wouldn't be so farfetched.

Well if Ridley is related to the chozo, however he may be, it WOULD make the whole Samus Ridley rivalry have a nice dimension to it, wouldn't it?

I'm sure everyone here has noticed the strange trend there's been toward playing ridley up.

There's been SIX Ridleys in as many games now compared to half as many Mother Brains.

[spoiler]And Ridley was the final boss of Zero Mission!  Kind of... but about time if you ask me.[/spoiler]

I think they're trying to turn Ridley into the villain of the series.  The Bowser, if you will.  Just as bowser was the biggest baddest Koopa of all the Koopa, who were collectively the enemy force of Mario, so too is Samus' enemy a collective group, the space pirates, and Ridley is the baddest fighter of the group.

And having Ridley have that kind of connection to samus would make him a perfect choice to be her arch-nemesis.  Even cooler would be if he had some specific relation to the chozo that raised her.

Stew on THIS:  samus was on a space colony that was raided by pirates.  Then the chozo came to the colony in the aftermath and found her.

Now why did the chozo go there do you suppose?  They were persuing ridley and the gang, perhaps?  Perhaps... Because Ridley had some special connection to a few of those specific perhaps?  And it would then be those very chozo who found samus and raised her?  Perhaps...

Well, they probably won't do anything that deep in the series.  It'd be pretty keen though.

[spoiler]*heavy breathing* Samus, I am your STEP-UNCLE! *heavy breathing*[/spoiler]

Now then, about the whole organic vs technological issue.  Can the X replicate machine parts, or just absorb them?  Because we have to consider Fusion, and all 10 SA-X's flying around the station due to the original replicating.

And we ought to conisder what the X being able to "reproduce [the suit] asexually" implies as far as it's make-up.

Maybe it really is kind of a... second skin.  Not just metaphorically, but actually a giant organ that bonds to samus or something.  I mean why is it unremovable unless samus wills it to be?  Perhaps a 100% organic piece of technology.  I mean we know the Chozo can create organic things without having to include machinery in them (metroids anyone?) so it wouldn't be so farfetched.

Rox

2004-02-25 04:46:49 pm

The power suit does seem to have a life of its own... even if it's very passive... We all know only Samus can wear that one suit, and only she can control it, so there has to be some sort of non-mechanical connection between the two. We've also seen the power suit adapt to tricky situation without any input from the user (Samus). Take the Super Metroid hyper mode for example, or the Prime phazon beam. The suit HAS to be "intelligent", and it certainly wouldn't suprise me if the only non-organic part of the suit is the hardest outer shell.

That'd sort of explain all those shiny lights, as well, in that they're not lights for decoration, but something connected to the "living" part of the suit. Ooh, shiny... flash... flash... pulse.. pulse...

Faust

2004-02-25 05:36:15 pm

Quote from Rox:

The power suit does seem to have a life of its own... even if it's very passive... We all know only Samus can wear that one suit, and only she can control it, so there has to be some sort of non-mechanical connection between the two. We've also seen the power suit adapt to tricky situation without any input from the user (Samus). Take the Super Metroid hyper mode for example, or the Prime phazon beam. The suit HAS to be "intelligent", and it certainly wouldn't suprise me if the only non-organic part of the suit is the hardest outer shell.

That'd sort of explain all those shiny lights, as well, in that they're not lights for decoration, but something connected to the "living" part of the suit. Ooh, shiny... flash... flash... pulse.. pulse...

That'd be pretty cool if the suit were a living thing. The fact that it auto-adapts to certain situations, like you said, makes a very strong point in that regard. I mean, the Omega Pirate falls on her and she comes away with a nice, shiny new suit? Why would a pool of concentrated Phazon alter her suit in such a way when only a little is so hazardous? And it couldn't have been just the outer layer that was altered because the phazon beam would course "phazonic" energy through her and her arm cannon.

[quote="Rox"]The power suit does seem to have a life of its own... even if it's very passive... We all know only Samus can wear that one suit, and only she can control it, so there has to be some sort of non-mechanical connection between the two. We've also seen the power suit adapt to tricky situation without any input from the user (Samus). Take the Super Metroid hyper mode for example, or the Prime phazon beam. The suit HAS to be "intelligent", and it certainly wouldn't suprise me if the only non-organic part of the suit is the hardest outer shell.

That'd sort of explain all those shiny lights, as well, in that they're not lights for decoration, but something connected to the "living" part of the suit. Ooh, shiny... flash... flash... pulse.. pulse...[/quote]

That'd be pretty cool if the suit were a living thing.  The fact that it auto-adapts to certain situations, like you said, makes a very strong point in that regard.  I mean, the Omega Pirate falls on her and she comes away with a nice, shiny new suit?  Why would a pool of concentrated Phazon alter her suit in such a way when only a little is so hazardous?  And it couldn't have been just the outer layer that was altered because the phazon beam would course "phazonic" energy through her and her arm cannon.

skynes

2004-02-25 05:44:02 pm

Also if Samus' suit was all metal n all the Phazon would not have an effect. the fact that the suit is biological means it can be corrupted my radiation.

What if Ridley was one of the original Chozo to turn away? Maybe there's more than one Ridley. The Space Pirates just being more degenerate versions of Ridley. Ridley's becoming so corrupt with evil and power it twisted their form from an original Chozo into the sick pteradactyl type monster they are now.

Syl

2004-02-25 07:52:29 pm

The suit is an extension of her, it connects to her not just from being worn, but through tubes in her spinal cord.
one right below her ponytail, and one much farther down...

look at the metroid prime art section.

Toozin

2004-02-25 07:55:35 pm

Not impossible

just highly unlikely

That's concept art, not neccesarily to be taken as canon. For example, in one picture you can see her body curled up in ball mode, when in the game you can see inside the ball and she's clearly in some sort of energy form.

Besides, we've seen her suitless several times now. No tubes.

ajbolt89

2004-02-25 08:10:51 pm

lol no way

Quote from skynes:

Also if Samus' suit was all metal n all the Phazon would not have an effect. the fact that the suit is biological means it can be corrupted my radiation.

What if Ridley was one of the original Chozo to turn away? Maybe there's more than one Ridley. The Space Pirates just being more degenerate versions of Ridley. Ridley's becoming so corrupt with evil and power it twisted their form from an original Chozo into the sick pteradactyl type monster they are now.

Hmm... Maybe the space pirates are a sort of hive based society, with Ridley at the top (a queen type thing, never said it was a he). Maybe every time you kill him they spawn another one. Kinda explains the whole respawning Ridley thing as well. Although, it does undo the whole Chozo-Pirate connection...

Cantonbags04

2004-02-25 10:03:04 pm

Samus Lauren

*cracks knuckles* Alright, time for me to step into all of this. Now, i'm sorry if i repeat something and/or say something you dont like. If you dont like it, just look over it and i wont care.

I highly doubt the whole "ridley being a chozo" thing, even tho its very interesting. Now, I look at Ridley, and i see a dragon, a reptile if you will. Now, you look at chozos, and they look like birds. Then, i look at space pirates, and see a bug. Now, i do know that birds and reptiles have much in common, starting first with the "dino to bird" theory, but im not going to get into that. I'm just saying that i think that Ridley is an entirely diffrerent species all together, and that he has no connection to the chozo whatsoever except through his works with the space pirates. I guess its just that if i look at a bird, then at a bug, and put them together, it doesnt make reptile, let alone dragon. And the wings, why wouldnt chozos have some form of wings? I mean c'mon, they're birds! Of course i could be wrong, and they might not have wings, but i mean look at some of the statues in Prime, they also had wings. So yeah, for now, i think that the chozo have wings, but i wont be entirely sure until we see a real live chozo in the game.
Now... the chozos and the space pirates... there's alot of potential here. Even if the pirates look like bugs they do look very similar to the chozos. But it just seems odd for them to be chozo, only b/c they know nothing of chozo technology. Hell, they even think the chozo are extinct. Its all so very confusing... But i do remember this fan fic i read that explained that quite well really...

Next topic. Samus' suit: Does it have biological enhancements?(wow, that makes a GREAT headline) I think it does. If you remember in Fusion, it said how her suit was soo well integrated into her system. Now, the only way that it could become intergrated into her system is if it was connected somehow to her body. I wouldnt at all be surprized if Samus had cybernetic enhancements in her to connect to her suit better. it would explain alot, like how the phazon could infect the suit. Also, i dont think that the suit is alive. No.

Ok, one last thing for now. I just wanted to say that we must remember that Samus' suit was made by ancient chozo technology. That had no real reason, just a little reminder is all.

*cracks knuckles* Alright, time for me to step into all of this. Now, i'm sorry if i repeat something and/or say something you dont like. If you dont like it, just look over it and i wont care.

I highly doubt the whole "ridley being a chozo" thing, even tho its very interesting. Now, I look at Ridley, and i see a dragon, a reptile if you will. Now, you look at chozos, and they look like birds. Then, i look at space pirates, and see a bug. Now, i do know that birds and reptiles have much in common, starting first with the "dino to bird" theory, but im not going to get into that. I'm just saying that i  think that Ridley is an entirely diffrerent species all together, and that he has no connection to the chozo whatsoever except through his works with the space pirates. I guess its just that if i look at a bird, then at a bug, and put them together, it doesnt make reptile, let alone dragon. And the wings, why wouldnt chozos have some form of wings? I mean c'mon, they're birds! Of course i could be wrong, and they might not have wings, but i mean look at some of the statues in Prime, they also had wings. So yeah, for now, i think that the chozo have wings, but i wont be entirely sure until we see a real live chozo in the game. 
Now... the chozos and the space pirates... there's alot of potential here. Even if the pirates look like bugs they [i]do[/i] look very similar to the chozos. But it just seems odd for them to be chozo, only b/c they know nothing of chozo technology. Hell, they even think the chozo are extinct. Its all so very confusing... But i do remember this fan fic i read that explained that quite well really...

Next topic. Samus' suit: Does it have biological enhancements?(wow, that makes a GREAT headline) I think it does. If you remember in Fusion, it said how her suit was soo well integrated into her system. Now, the only way that it could become intergrated into her system is if it was connected somehow to her body. I wouldnt at all be surprized if Samus had cybernetic enhancements in her to connect to her suit better. it would explain alot, like how the phazon could infect the suit. Also, i dont think that the suit is alive. No.

Ok, one last thing for now. I just wanted to say that we must remember that Samus' suit was made by [i]ancient[/i] chozo technology. That had no real reason, just a little reminder is all.

Toozin

2004-02-25 10:07:57 pm

Not impossible

just highly unlikely

Actually I'm pretty sure it's been established that they were unable to remove her suit because it can only come off when she "wills" it off, which is why they have to remove it surgically. It probably bonds to her somehow, but it can't be in any permanent or scarring way since, as I've said, we've seen her suitless several times in various degrees of dress and there's no evidence of any plugs or other mechanical attatchments.

Yoshi348

2004-02-25 10:54:48 pm

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Ready and willing.

Repling to something of Sess', a bit more evidence for this shift can be seen in Zero Mission again. Around Super era, I think most people just assumed Mother Brain was the leader... did it specifically state that? I don't think so. But in the Zero Mission manual, on pgs 22-23, where it labels all the sections of the map, the Ridely area is labeled: "This is the area where Ridely, leader of the Space Pirates, can be found."

Interestingly, this makes that one Pirate Log in MP on Meta-Ridely kinda of not fit in, but it's not irreconcilable.

nate

2004-02-25 11:05:33 pm

Quote from Yoshi348:

"This is the area where Ridely, leader of the Space Pirates, can be found."

Interestingly, this makes that one Pirate Log in MP on Meta-Ridely kinda of not fit in, but it's not irreconcilable.

indeed. what company or platoon ridley is the leader of is (probably intentionally) left out.

Sesshoumaru

2004-02-26 01:06:20 am

Wow, do the instructions say that? (haven't picked up my hard copy yet :P )

Well it's true, I don't believe any game has ever referred to Mother Brain as any kind of "leader". That was an invention of the nintendo power comics. And we all know better than to trust NP.

She was just the "mechanical life form". If you ask me, it seems obvious that she just basically runs all the systems. She's probably like their super computer. The thing that keeps the whole place running. And that's why it's important to destroy her, She's the exhaust port of the space pirate death star.

If the instructions say ridley is just "the leader of the space pirates" then I see no reason to assume he's anything but.

Though if one really wants to smooth it out with Prime's logs, I say that Ridley is the leader of the Zebesian space pirates. Or alternatively, the commander of the military.

Obviously space pirates have lots of divisions and things, as prime would evidence. Science team and whatnot. "Central command" probably is the coordinating force between all of them, and Ridley may be the leader of the military, the pirates who are trained to and do all the fighting and raiding and what have you.

Wow, do the instructions say that?  (haven't picked up my hard copy yet  :P )

Well it's true, I don't believe any game has ever referred to Mother Brain as any kind of "leader".  That was an invention of the nintendo power comics.  And we all know better than to trust NP.

She was just the "mechanical life form".  If you ask me, it seems obvious that she just basically runs all the systems.  She's probably like their super computer.  The thing that keeps the whole place running.  And that's why it's important to destroy her, She's the exhaust port of the space pirate death star.

If the instructions say ridley is just "the leader of the space pirates" then I see no reason to assume he's anything but.

Though if one really wants to smooth it out with Prime's logs, I say that Ridley is the leader of the Zebesian space pirates.  Or alternatively, the commander of the military.

Obviously space pirates have lots of divisions and things, as prime would evidence.  Science team and whatnot.  "Central command" probably is the coordinating force between all of them, and Ridley may be the leader of the military, the pirates who are trained to and do all the fighting and raiding and what have you.

Faust

2004-02-26 01:52:07 am

I thought they had to surgically remove her power suit because the X corrupted it and they biologically fused it to her body, not because it became infected and she was unable to will biological connections it already had off.

And a quick question: What exactly is the source of the Fusion suit? She just kinda says, "I survived, reborn" and she's wearing it. I assume it's from the Space Forces. And when she absorbed the SA-X, did that cause her Fusion Suit to turn into some sort of Fusion-Power Suit combo? The only reason I ask is because I don't think I like the thought of Samus being in future games (in the post-Fusion timeline) without her classic Power Suit. Yeah, the Fusion Suit is alright, but I'm not crazy about the thought of her suit not having a basis in Chozo-tech, but rather a Spaces Forces basis with Chozo-tech addons.

Maybe I'm just reading into the story/cutscenes incorrectly.

Dark_T_Zeratul

2004-02-26 02:16:57 am

It looks like it's the Power Suit but with most of the bulk cut away (which of course is exactly what happened). You'll notice that the yellow inner part of the Fusion Suit is visible on the Power Suit. It's probably no coincidence either that the jumpsuit Samus is wearing in the suitless segment of Zero Mission bears a resemblance to the Fusion Suit.

trh

2004-02-26 10:21:33 am

Quote from Metroid manual:

Its the head of Mini-Boss HideoutII. He jumps up into the air and breathes fire. It's the original life form of the planet Zebes and is controlled by Mother Brain. Destroy him and you win 75 missile blasts!!!

fractic

2004-02-26 12:01:40 pm

I've seen similar topics like this about a lot of games. I find them rather amusing for 2 reasons. First of all its just fun to speculate about it ofc. I must say that i like the whole pirate-chozo link.

But i must say that i doubt it. The developers try to make a game not a book. In a game the gameplay is very very important and takes up most of the work. A story is ofc a nice thing but not the main priority. The intended story can indeed be very deep but not in the metroid series (espically in the beginning). Back in the days of Super metroid nobody would ever come up with this theory.

However it is understandable. Ppl like to make connections whenever they can. And the artwork of the games greatly contributes to this ofc. I'm pretty sure that the Chozo had wings and that this was intended. After all calling a species bird people just because of their beaks is a bit extreme. But the space pirates where designed for a different reason. They are your enemy. Their biggest purpose is target pratices for you. Then there is the matter of the log recordings in MP. They are intended to 'flavor' up the game. But i don't really consider them to be the most reliable source of information (when it comes to background story). They are ment to tell the story of a single game. And i seriously doubt if the developers thought as deep about it as you ppl.

I've seen similar topics like this about a lot of games. I find them rather amusing for 2 reasons. First of all its just fun to speculate about it ofc. I must say that i like the whole pirate-chozo link.

But i must say that i doubt it. The developers try to make a game not a book. In a game the gameplay is very very important and takes up most of the work. A story is ofc a nice thing but not the main priority. The intended story can indeed be very deep but not in the metroid series (espically in the beginning). Back in the days of Super metroid nobody would ever come up with this theory.

However it is understandable. Ppl like to make connections whenever they can. And the artwork of the games greatly contributes to this ofc. I'm pretty sure that the Chozo had wings and that this was intended. After all calling a species bird people just because of their beaks is a bit extreme. But the space pirates where designed for a different reason. They are your enemy. Their biggest purpose is target pratices for you. Then there is the matter of the log recordings in MP. They are intended to 'flavor' up the game. But i don't really consider them to be the most reliable source of information (when it comes to background story). They are ment to tell the story of a single game. And i seriously doubt if the developers thought as deep about it as you ppl.