The startling truth, and the lurking horrors

2004-02-26 04:31:29 pm

Not impossible

just highly unlikely

Quote from Faust:

And a quick question: What exactly is the source of the Fusion suit?

It's the under part of her suit.

Notice how suitless Samus in Zero Mission is wearing that full body jumpsuit under her suit? Yeah, kinda like that, except with more of the power suit left on.

skynes

2004-02-27 04:56:43 am

For Fusion suit I figured that because she was injected with Metroid DNA her suit being connected to her and become part Metroid also. And the green/bluey colour of it is an effect of the Metroid serum.

As for chozo with wings I most definitely remember seeing a picture of Samus as a child being around White/ Brown Chozo with wings, I'll try and find it but I can't make any promises... I only seen it once.

Yes the Space Pirates look insecty, but you gotta remember they're wearing an exoskeleton.

Zebes was originally a Chozo world was it not? With the statues and stuff around the place. If Ridley was an original inhabitant of Zebes would that not make him a chozo?

I think he could have been a chozo. MP shows the Ridley has been genetically altered at least once (Meta-Ridley) so whats to say he wasn't altered before? With each new 'clone' new modifications are added to make him harder

The Last Metroid

2004-02-27 11:21:33 am

For Fusion suit I figured that because she was injected with Metroid DNA her suit being connected to her and become part Metroid also. And the green/bluey colour of it is an effect of the Metroid serum.

She's definitely part Metroid now; shows how important the lil' parasites are to civilization.

As for chozo with wings I most definitely remember seeing a picture of Samus as a child being around White/ Brown Chozo with wings, I'll try and find it but I can't make any promises... I only seen it once.

Yeah, I belive that was in Zero Mission.

Yes the Space Pirates look insecty, but you gotta remember they're wearing an exoskeleton.

As do insects.

Zebes was originally a Chozo world was it not? With the statues and stuff around the place. If Ridley was an original inhabitant of Zebes would that not make him a chozo?

Well, different species can inhabit one world.

I think he could have been a chozo. MP shows the Ridley has been genetically altered at least once (Meta-Ridley) so whats to say he wasn't altered before? With each new 'clone' new modifications are added to make him harder

He may have been the first "body-guard" of the chozo, as Samus is now, but then turned bad. You know -- like Carnage.

[i]For Fusion suit I figured that because she was injected with Metroid DNA her suit being connected to her and become part Metroid also. And the green/bluey colour of it is an effect of the Metroid serum.[/i]

[b]She's definitely part Metroid now; shows how important the lil' parasites are to civilization.[/b]

[i]As for chozo with wings I most definitely remember seeing a picture of Samus as a child being around White/ Brown Chozo with wings, I'll try and find it but I can't make any promises... I only seen it once.[/i]

[b]Yeah, I belive that was in Zero Mission.[/b]

[i]Yes the Space Pirates look insecty, but you gotta remember they're wearing an exoskeleton.[/i]

[b]As do insects.[/b]

[i]Zebes was originally a Chozo world was it not? With the statues and stuff around the place. If Ridley was an original inhabitant of Zebes would that not make him a chozo?[/i]

[b]Well, different species [i]can[/i] inhabit one world.[/b]

[i]I think he could have been a chozo. MP shows the Ridley has been genetically altered at least once (Meta-Ridley) so whats to say he wasn't altered before? With each new 'clone' new modifications are added to make him harder[/i]

[b]He may have been the first "body-guard" of the chozo, as Samus is now, but then turned bad. You know -- like Carnage.[/b]

Toozin

2004-02-27 06:13:56 pm

Not impossible

just highly unlikely

Quote from The Last Metroid:

He may have been the first "body-guard" of the chozo, as Samus is now, but then turned bad. You know -- like Carnage.

Carnage was a serial killer long before he ever got a symbiote. I dunno how he could have "turned" bad. Maybe you're thinking of Venom.

GreenMamba

2004-02-27 06:54:30 pm

What luck, there's french fry stuck in my beard.

Eddie Brock was a reporter before becoming Venom....

Toozin

2004-02-27 07:30:26 pm

Not impossible

just highly unlikely

Are you saying reporters are evil? :?

Cantonbags04

2004-02-27 10:31:01 pm

Samus Lauren

Now, you have to remember that Venom isnt techincally evil, we just think he is because he wants to kill Spidey. Plus, Spidey helped create Venom himself, so he only has himself to blame...

Carnage... thats something thats isnt only evil its [i]insane[i/]. At least Venom wants to kill it too, and that in itself is a good deed.

Light of Day

2004-02-27 11:08:29 pm

Now, my comic book knowledge is sketchy at best, but doesn't Venom truly believe he's doing good, making him more "horribly misguided" than evil? That sounds like the kind of thing TLM was going for. Wasn't Venom highly religious too?

Toozin

2004-02-27 11:22:50 pm

Not impossible

just highly unlikely

Quote from Light of Day:

Wasn't Venom highly religious too?

You got everything right but that part.

Venom was actually the protector of an underground city of homeless people in San Fransisco for awhile. Almost a genuine super hero. Of course, he still ate brains, but hey, baby steps.

skynes

2004-02-28 01:48:45 pm

My comic book knowledhe is sketchy too... I didn't know Venom was a good guy. I thought he was a symbiote that over time took over the body of its host.

In the case os Spiderman he stopped being compassionate and caring about good and protecting ppl, instead he just wanted to kill the bad guys.

Toozin

2004-02-28 02:13:54 pm

Not impossible

just highly unlikely

Quote from skynes:

I didn't know Venom was a good guy. I thought he was a symbiote that over time took over the body of its host.

Venom is a combonation of the symbiote and Eddie Brock. When Spider-Man had the symbiote, he wasn't Venom, he was still Spider-Man. It's the combonation of Eddie's unbalanced personality and the symbiote's compulsion to feed that creates the Venom entity.

...this thread has gone WAY off track.

MrBlarney

2004-02-29 03:25:57 am

Hmm, I'll have to look it up again, but wasn't there an e-manga (Japanese only) that was released after Fusion came out in Japan detailing the early life and upbringing of Samus? I can remember that the first two chapters were free, describing Samus's youth in the colony, the colony's destruction by the space pirates and Ridley, and her life up to her teenage years on Zebes with the Chozo and Mother Brain. If I recall correctly, the Power Suit was activated by some sort of device on her wrist. I'd have to check and do a bit of translation.

Syl

2004-02-29 10:10:20 am

I have the first e-manga translated, but I haven't been able to get ahold of the second one yet...

I really think it should be hosted on metroid HQ or something.

MrBlarney

2004-02-29 12:50:00 pm

Found the page leading to the first two chapters... can't seem to find the rest on e-manga, and besides, I wouldn't pay for it.

http://metroid.jp/ecomic/index.html

skynes

2004-03-01 11:17:28 am

A pity its not English... I wud love to see that.

Correction - I would love to UNDERSTAND that! LOL!

The Last Metroid

2004-03-01 11:32:41 am

Ah, yeah, I am thinking of Venom. Ahh, how topics go off...

KennyMan666

2004-03-22 04:24:06 pm

Viking

Precursor

Oh man, it must've been ten years or something since I last saw/read anything Spiderman-related... I DO remember I thought Carnage was the coolest guy of them all, though.

And yes, when you think of it Ridley kinda looks like a modified/evolved/something Chozo.

SABERinBLUE

2004-03-22 06:05:52 pm

Cook of the Sea

just to put to rest the whole Venom thing, this is paraphrased from an official source. Spidey really didn't have a lot to do with the creation of Venom. He merely got rid of the black alien symbiote suit save his own life and sanity, and it found Brock. Brock was a reporter who did a story of a serial killer. It turned out that the man Brock found wasn't the real killer and was a compulsive confesser, so when Spidey turned in the real killer, Brock irrationally blamed the fact that he was fired from his job on Spidey and hated him. He knew that it was wrong to hate him for this and was at a church praying for his forgiveness both for hating Spider-man and for the fact that he was going to commit sucide, a deadly sin in te Catholic faith. It was at this church that Spider-man had rid himself of the symbiote suit because the sound of the bells stunned it, and the suit found Brock. The suit and Brock both hated Spider-man, and so Venom was born.

Cletus Kasady was a convicted serial killer who was sharing a cell with Eddie Brock after Brock had been seperated from the suit. The suit came to free Brock and in his escape, a tiny bit of the suit was left behind. Kasady was cut during the escape, and the bit of the suit entered his bloodstream through that cut. The two fused, Hence the molten read and black of Carnage.

The difference between the two is that Vemon is an anti-hero, meaning that he does good through evil means, and Carnage is simply murderously insane. And Carnage is more powerful.

just to put to rest the whole Venom thing, this is paraphrased from an official source.  Spidey really didn't have a lot to do with the creation of Venom.  He merely got rid of the black alien symbiote suit save his own life and sanity, and it found Brock.  Brock was a reporter who did a story of a serial killer.  It turned out that the man Brock found wasn't the real killer and was a compulsive confesser, so when Spidey turned in the real killer, Brock irrationally blamed the fact that he was fired from his job on Spidey and hated him.  He knew that it was wrong to hate him for this and was at a church praying for his forgiveness both for hating Spider-man and for the fact that he was going to commit sucide, a deadly sin in te Catholic faith.  It was at this church that Spider-man had rid himself of the symbiote suit because the sound of the bells stunned it, and the suit found Brock.  The suit and Brock both hated Spider-man, and so Venom was born.

Cletus Kasady was a convicted serial killer who was sharing a cell with Eddie Brock after Brock had been seperated from the suit.  The suit came to free Brock and in his escape, a tiny bit of the suit was left behind.  Kasady was cut during the escape, and the bit of the suit entered his bloodstream through that cut.  The two fused, Hence the molten read and black of Carnage.

The difference between the two is that Vemon is an anti-hero, meaning that he does good through evil means, and Carnage is simply murderously insane.  And Carnage is more powerful.

Rox

2004-03-23 05:10:36 am

Just a quick note about the Fusion suit.

Obviously a mix of the X-corrupted power suit, Samus' jumpsuit, as well as Metroidyness. I'm guessing the suit became metroidy since it's directly connected to Samus, and when her DNA changed, with the suit still on, what was left of the suit had to adapt... I LOVE the design, though. You know... with the metroid teeth on her left arm, and the triple-nuclei where her back jet used to be... Nicely thought through by teh designers.

I'm still damn confused about how the cannon could change, though. That doesn't make sense.

skynes

2004-03-23 05:58:53 am

The cannon could be part of her that ISNT biological based so the X didn't infect it, Metroid DNA didn't change and it didn't need to be cut off.

fractic

2004-03-23 10:10:24 am

the cannon is not part of her ofc. You can see that samus has 2 arms in the pictures you get whith good scores. Ans you can see the arm in the cannon in MP when in X-ray mode

skynes

2004-03-23 10:19:35 am

I didnt mean that she didn't have an arm, but its the only parto f her power suit that isnt biological based.

I haven't managed to see her right arm when in X-Ray mode - How do you do it?

Rox

2004-03-23 04:40:04 pm

Actually, I think you got me wrong. I asked why her cannon HAS changed so much.

Oh, and the hand thing... Not the arm, but the hand. Go into some dark place (almost any place), look up against the dark sky, lock the view with the L button and let go of R so she moves her other hand away. There's that right hand, inside the arm cannon.

SABERinBLUE

2004-03-23 06:23:08 pm

Cook of the Sea

I don't think that the Fusion Suit was "born" ,so to say, of the under part of her suit and the Metroid DNA. Her uninfected parts of the Power Suit was the foundation of the Fusion Suit, but I really don't think that Metroid DNA can change the way a Suit looks. The vaccine was not injected into Samus's biological suit, but into Samus's bloodstream. The effect was that it killed all X in her system and rearranged her DNA a bit as to make her immune to the X and give her a couple of the strengths and weaknesses of Metroids, like being susceptible to ice and so forth. The scientists built the Fusion Suit off of what was left of the Power Suit (the uninfected parts, mind you. They removed all the infected parts, so the suit did not need the vaccine. ) I seriously doubt that Metroid DNA, even if it had gone into the Suit, could have given it spikes and stuff.

It looks to me from the those pictures that the scientists removed all of the Power Suit down to the yellow layer visible in the midriff section and the inside of the legs and stuff in all the other Metroid games. All that was left was a yellow layer, and the Arm Cannon and helmet were gone too. The Prime comic in NP shows Samus's right hand in a mechanical sort of sheath down to the wrist. This implies that the Arma Cannon can be easily removed, so it would not be one of the parts that the scientist could not have removed while she was unconcious. The same goes for the helmet, I mean we know she can remove that seprately. The scientists apparently delibrately adde the Metroid-like cosmetic qualties of the suit themselves, apparently in honor of the Metroid hatchling or whatever. The scientists added the blue layer of armor which was what presumably added the ability to absorb the X as upgrades (an ability which was NOT given to Samus innately by the vaccine, because the Metroids to not absorb the X in this manner. They kill them. ) and the new Arm Cannon and helmet.

I don't think that the Fusion Suit was "born" ,so to say, of the under part of her suit and the Metroid DNA.  Her uninfected parts of the Power Suit was the foundation of the Fusion Suit, but I really don't think that Metroid DNA can change the way a Suit looks.  The vaccine was not injected into Samus's biological suit, but into Samus's bloodstream.  The effect was that it killed all X in her system and rearranged her DNA a bit as to make her immune to the X and give her a couple of the strengths and weaknesses of Metroids, like being susceptible to ice and so forth.  The scientists built the Fusion Suit off of what was left of the Power Suit (the uninfected parts, mind you.  They removed all the infected parts, so the suit did not need the vaccine.  )  I seriously doubt that Metroid DNA, even if it had gone into the Suit, could have given it spikes and stuff.

It looks to me from the those pictures that the scientists removed all of the Power Suit down to the yellow layer visible in the midriff section and the inside of the legs and stuff in all the other Metroid games.  All that was left was a yellow layer, and the Arm Cannon and helmet were gone too.  The Prime comic in NP shows Samus's right hand in a mechanical sort of sheath down to the wrist.  This implies that the Arma Cannon can be easily removed, so it would not be one of the parts that the scientist could not have removed while she was unconcious.  The same goes for the helmet, I mean we know she can remove that seprately.  The scientists apparently delibrately adde the Metroid-like cosmetic qualties of the suit themselves, apparently in honor of the Metroid hatchling or whatever.  The scientists added the blue layer of armor which was what presumably added the ability to absorb the X as upgrades (an ability which was NOT given to Samus innately by the vaccine, because the Metroids to not absorb the X in this manner.  They kill them.  ) and the new Arm Cannon and helmet.

skynes

2004-03-24 10:27:21 am

1. How do you know that Metroids KILL X outright?

2. Samus' suit is biological based, otherwise the X could NOT have infected it.

3. If the suit is infected with X the suit itself ALSO needs a vaccine.

4. Since Samus is connected to the suit when she was administered the Vaccine it transferred to the suit also

5. The suit changes shape depending on upgrades Varia, Gravity etc. When given the Metroid DNA the suit adapted to this new information forming the Fusion suit.

6. If ONLY Samus was weak to Ice then the armour should have protected her from Ice Beam, it doesn't. so the suit must be part Metroid.