The "I need help" Topic

2013-01-09 09:56:13 pm

i'm not sure what other ghetto jumps work in trilogy version, since I just assume they all don't work (usually a safe assumption too). The typical tree one used for early power bombs doesn't work, I think. Might be good to practice with the GC version, since it's conceptually the same (just the trilogy doesn't really give you as much height or something...). If you have GC mp2, you can practice it on there since it's again, conceptually the same thing.

It's tough to tell you to practice ghetto jumps on other objects, since honestly ghetto jumps are always different everywhere.

Aegis Runestone

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2013-01-10 12:02:33 pm

Game Lover

Quote from kirbymastah:

i'm not sure what other ghetto jumps work in trilogy version, since I just assume they all don't work (usually a safe assumption too). The typical tree one used for early power bombs doesn't work, I think. Might be good to practice with the GC version, since it's conceptually the same (just the trilogy doesn't really give you as much height or something...). If you have GC mp2, you can practice it on there since it's again, conceptually the same thing.

It's tough to tell you to practice ghetto jumps on other objects, since honestly ghetto jumps are always different everywhere.

Actually, I did something better: I copied my Trilogy save slot 1 file to slot 2. On slot 2, I'll beat Abmorvis (sp?), get the Dark Suit, and practice Ghetto Jumping in the Abandoned Base until I get it right 4 times (four's my lucky number :)). I think that's a better plan.

I do have the GC Mp2 (and MP1) but... I just really don't like the stiff controls, which is ironic because I played the GC versions first before the Trilogy (years before the Trilogy). After playing Corruption and trying out my brother's copy of the Trilogy, I found that I loved the Trilogy more than the GC versions. Especially since it makes my favorite Metroid Prime battle of all time better and it will never get old; that would be Dark Samus 1.

Edit: My plan worked. I managed to do the Ghetto Jump once up to the portal in the Abandoned Base with the Dark Suit. Now, I have to practice until I'm an expert at that part.

Edit2: I DID IT! After 3 successful tries with the Dark Suit, my first attempt in the Varia I managed to Ghetto Jump it. XD I only lost ONE energy tank.

I'm so happy.

[quote="kirbymastah"]i'm not sure what other ghetto jumps work in trilogy version, since I just assume they all don't work (usually a safe assumption too). The typical tree one used for early power bombs doesn't work, I think. Might be good to practice with the GC version, since it's conceptually the same (just the trilogy doesn't really give you as much height or something...). If you have GC mp2, you can practice it on there since it's again, conceptually the same thing.

It's tough to tell you to practice ghetto jumps on other objects, since honestly ghetto jumps are always different everywhere.[/quote]

Actually, I did something better: I copied my Trilogy save slot 1 file to slot 2. On slot 2, I'll beat Abmorvis (sp?), get the Dark Suit, and practice Ghetto Jumping in the Abandoned Base until I get it right 4 times (four's my lucky number :)). I think that's a better plan.

I do have the GC Mp2 (and MP1) but... I just really don't like the stiff controls, which is ironic because I played the GC versions first before the Trilogy (years before the Trilogy). After playing Corruption and trying out my brother's copy of the Trilogy, I found that I loved the Trilogy more than the GC versions. Especially since it makes my favorite Metroid Prime battle of all time better and it will never get old; that would be Dark Samus 1.

Edit: My plan worked. I managed to do the Ghetto Jump once up to the portal in the Abandoned Base with the Dark Suit. Now, I have to practice until I'm an expert at that part.

Edit2: I DID IT! After 3 successful tries with the Dark Suit, my first attempt in the Varia I managed to Ghetto Jump it. XD I only lost ONE energy tank.

I'm so happy.

MithosKuu

2013-01-19 07:22:32 pm

I'm trying to find the luminoth lore "Fall of Torvus", according to GameFAQs it should be in Main Research at Sancuary, but going there I find the lore projector has been deactivated already. Wikitroid says it should be in the Main Gyro Chamber, I go there and that projector is offline as well.

I'm playing the trilogy version of echoes, three possibilities spring to mind;
1. The lore placement was shuffled around for the re-release
2. The Lore Projector in Main Research is bugged like the sonic locks
3. The guides on GameFAQs and the wiki are flat out wrong.

Can someone point me in the right direction?

MilesSMB

2013-01-19 08:19:31 pm

Quote from MithosKuu:

1. The lore placement was shuffled around for the re-release

This. The Lore placement is different in the Trilogy version; I don't know where the changed locations are.

Skull64

2013-01-19 08:24:38 pm

I'm nearly positive I got 100% scans on Echoes on the trilogy edition, so all the scans are possible

rekameohs

2013-01-20 01:38:34 am

Anywhere, everywhere

The areas where the lore is weren't switched around, so it's still in Sanctuary. The one behind the rubble in Sanctuary Entrance always seemed a bit out of the way, so maybe that's the one you're missing.

MithosKuu

2013-01-20 03:56:24 am

I found it, rekemeohs was right, its in the sanctuary entrance behind the wall that gets destroyed by the pirate turret, not at all where the guides or the wiki said it would be.

Hazel

2013-02-01 04:30:47 pm

rocks, locks, and invisible blocks

I need help figuring out why DS1 crashed my game on my when I hit her with a missile. is that something wrong with my disk? or has this happened to other people before? (I'm playing on GC btw)

Aegis Runestone

2013-02-02 02:09:53 pm

Game Lover

I know I'm talking about the Trilogy version, but how do you do a Ghetto Jump without the Space Jump boots?

I'm trying to get the missile expansion at the Temple Assembly Site early.

UchihaSasuke

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2013-02-06 02:27:43 am

my umbrella goes directly to Bankai

it's about the same as with SJ but the jump itself is a bit weaker iirc so you need the best ghetto possible. for that specific ghetto, you need to walk up the slope and jump right before you reach the peak of the slope so you keep the momentum and gain the ghetto effect.

since you're on trilogy, you'll need the scan visor ghetto and that, combined with the difficulty of that early missile expansion, could be quite hard to do.

Aegis Runestone

2013-02-08 11:54:13 am

Game Lover

What's the Scan Visor Ghetto?

Paltheos

2013-02-09 04:11:59 pm

A ghetto performed while locking onto an object with the scan visor. The scan-lock slightly improves your jump height, just enough to clear the top for the 101 missile launcher. I use the GFMC ship, but you're not limited to that. You can use objects that let you see the "boot", if it helps you with the ghetto.

RaphaelRobo

2013-02-19 12:31:17 am

I wanted to learn to speedrun a game, and figured I'd start with this one since I like it a lot. I saw this website mentioned at AGDQ, so decided to come here. What advice do you guys have for starting out? Also, I only own NTSC Trilogy and the PAL GC version of the game. Are these alright, or do I need a different version of the game to try for a serious time?

kirbymastah

2013-02-19 03:07:36 am

You don't want to do the trilogy version since most of the tricks don't work on that. I'm not sure about the differences with the PAL version... I'll wait for someone more knowledgable to comment on this.

Can you stream? Most people here are willing to help you and watch you. You can also look for videos and practice a few techniques (bsj's, rolljumps, scan dashes are the basics).

RaphaelRobo

2013-02-19 09:44:58 am

Yeah, I can stream. My channel is twitch.tv/raphaelrobo

I've seen the MP & MP2 speedruns at AGDQ, and your any% and 100% from the past couple days. 100% looks like it'd be easier to start off with, since it doesn't differ as much at the start from the standard game run. I'll probably stream something starting at around 1-2pm today EST, where I attempt to learn to bsj, scan dash, etc.

kirbymastah

2013-02-19 02:08:03 pm

Quote from RaphaelRobo:

Yeah, I can stream. My channel is twitch.tv/raphaelrobo

I've seen the MP & MP2 speedruns at AGDQ, and your any% and 100% from the past couple days. 100% looks like it'd be easier to start off with, since it doesn't differ as much at the start from the standard game run. I'll probably stream something starting at around 1-2pm today EST, where I attempt to learn to bsj, scan dash, etc.

I wouldn't necessarily say 100% is easier than any%, because there are a lot more room strategies and item locations you have to learn. Also, following miles's any% route is not a good idea. at all. It's best to follow the any% route that gets grapple beam.

RaphaelRobo

2013-02-19 02:20:01 pm

Yeah, I was planning to follow the any% route you took. His seems way to hard to start off with. Plus, Quadraxis is one of my favorite boss fights out of any game I've played. Unfortunately, I wasn't able to get my PAL GC version from home today, so I won't stream myself failing until I get it later this week. I might screw around on trilogy just to help me remember the game, though.

Also, I remember at AGDQ people were saying there were 3 frame windows for various things. What fps does MP2 run at? A 3 frame window should be pretty easy on something like 30fps, but it'd be way harder on 60fps.

kirbymastah

2013-02-19 02:32:19 pm

IIRC miles said that aether jumping is a 3-frame window, and the game runs at 60 fps

RaphaelRobo

2013-02-19 02:43:49 pm

Awesome, thanks. That makes it only slightly faster than a perfect wavedash with Kirby, so it shouldn't require too much practice.

kirbymastah

2013-02-19 04:47:47 pm

Yeah aether jumping isn't too bad once you get used to finding the line between aether and non-aether.

I PM'd you the general route for a typical any% route.

PokeyTroid

2013-03-07 05:56:22 am

Hiya guys. I'm attempting an ILS run, and I need some help.

I have zero wallcrawling experience, but I wanted to challenge myself. My planned route is ILS > wallcrawl to early power bomb > wallcrawl to Agon > DArk Beam > Light Beam > Screw Attack > Annihilator skip > Light Suit > Torvus ect.

So I tried wallcrawling for the first time, and it didn't go very well at all. I managed to make it to the power bomb expansion in... dynamo chamber, I think, but I couldn't obtain it. I touched it from above, below, jumped right into it, but nothing worked. Dolphin crashed shortly after.

Needless to say, I was disappointed.

So I think what I'm going to do is settle for the short wallcrawl after ILS, save in the room next to the elevator, then head out and use the SW in... I think it's Temple Assembly Site or Industrial Site to get the power bomb and head to Agon.

So, Why couldn't I grab the PB expansion? What happened?

Where is the second secret world, and how do I get into it?

I think I'm going to run into trouble when I try to enter the Agon elevator access room. If I try to walk over to the door and load the room around me, won't I fall down? Will I have to secretize the room??

I'm playing on emu, and I can't scan translator gates because of a glitch. I'll have to skip the translators, which I intended to do anyway, but I'm unsure of the routes. I know about the Agon-Sanctuary elevator next to sandcanyon and hall of combat mastery, but how do I get to Torvus? How do I get back to Temple Grounds? Isn't there a seeker gate blocking the way in and out of the main Sanc entrance?

Aether Jumping seems completely random so far. I can get around through lots of trial and error, but I've got no idea what I'm doing. I read that there are rectangular boxes around each room, which are inside the aether, and jump-ok, but I can't work out where the border is supposed to be for each room. Is there a solid boundary around each room I can climb, or...?

Thanks guys. The forum seems kinda dead...

Hiya guys. I'm attempting an ILS run, and I need some help.

I have zero wallcrawling experience, but I wanted to challenge myself. My planned route is ILS > wallcrawl to early power bomb > wallcrawl to Agon > DArk Beam > Light Beam > Screw Attack > Annihilator skip > Light Suit > Torvus ect.

So I tried wallcrawling for the first time, and it didn't go very well at all. I managed to make it to the power bomb expansion in... dynamo chamber, I think, but I couldn't obtain it. I touched it from above, below, jumped right into it, but nothing worked. Dolphin crashed shortly after.

Needless to say, I was disappointed.

So I think what I'm going to do is settle for the short wallcrawl after ILS, save in the room next to the elevator, then head out and use the SW in... I think it's Temple Assembly Site or Industrial Site to get the power bomb and head to Agon.

So, Why couldn't I grab the PB expansion? What happened?

Where is the second secret world, and how do I get into it?

I think I'm going to run into trouble when I try to enter the Agon elevator access room. If I try to walk over to the door and load the room around me, won't I fall down? Will I have to secretize the room??

I'm playing on emu, and I can't scan translator gates because of a glitch. I'll have to skip the translators, which I intended to do anyway, but I'm unsure of the routes. I know about the Agon-Sanctuary elevator next to sandcanyon and hall of combat mastery, but how do I get to Torvus? How do I get back to Temple Grounds? Isn't there a seeker gate blocking the way in and out of the main Sanc entrance?

Aether Jumping seems completely random so far. I can get around through lots of trial and error, but I've got no idea what I'm doing. I read that there are rectangular boxes around each room, which are inside the aether, and jump-ok, but I can't work out where the border is supposed to be for each room. Is there a solid boundary around each room I can climb, or...?

Thanks guys. The forum seems kinda dead...

PokeyTroid

2013-03-07 03:14:49 pm

Okay, I found the Temple Assembly Site SW, and got the Power Bomb. Hell yeah!

Now I just have to get to Agon.

kirbymastah

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kirbymastah: 2013-03-07 04:07:11 pm

2013-03-07 04:06:25 pm

Aether jumping isn't random at all, you just have to get better at it. Comes with experience.

I'm honestly not sure what you're going for. Are you doing a speedrun? Are you just doing a random ILS run? If the former, don't start with the route that miles uses, unless you want to go through hell (nobody uses miles's route, except miles himself). Honestly, you shouldn't even try to go for annihilator skip until you get the hang of doing aether jumps very consistently and quickly... I can PM you a starting route for speedrunning MP2 any%.

If you're just doing a random ILS run, then I'm honestly not sure why you're planning on doing all these tricks. You don't skip the translators in an any% speed run (IRRC you still get all four translators with even miles's route). I honestly don't really know how to help since I don't know what your goal is with this.

PokeyTroid

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PokeyTroid: 2013-03-08 12:32:07 pm

2013-03-08 01:28:01 am

Oh, it's not a speedrun. I suck at speedrunning. It's just a random ILS run. I'm skipping the translators because I have to. I'm playing on Dolphin, and I've got that glitch where the translator gates won't scan. No way around it.

Quote from kirbymastah:

If you're just doing a random ILS run, then I'm honestly not sure why you're planning on doing all these tricks.

Well, why not? I don't want to do ILS and play through the rest of the game normally. I wanna get Screw Attack and Light Suit as early as possible, do Torvus last, ect.

EDIT: I've made it to Agon. I should be fine until Screw Attack.

I really don't think I'm going to be able to skip Quadraxis. I'm not experienced enough.

Kirbymastah, if you want me to define my run, I'd say that it's just a "fun run" to get back into the game and familiarize myself with all of the advanced stuff. I'm skipping Dark Suit, Gravity Boost, Grapple, and Echo Visor, but I'll grab a few expansions.

I'll go Dark / Light beams > Screw Attack > Annihilator > Light Suit > Torvus, PB Guardian and Chykka, then...just go from there, I guess. I'm not sure of the route I'll be able to take, but I'll have to get Seekers.

There are a few foreseeable problems so far. How do I get back to Temple Grounds to get the Light suit and Seekers? Unless I can walk through the Agon or Torvus translator gates from behind, I think the only way to and from Temple Grounds is through Sanctuary > GFMC Compound. The only problem there is the seeker gate in the room between Sanctuary Entrance and Main Reactor. Can I go through that backward?

I think I only need to visit U-Mos once, for the Light suit, and the only way out is to take the energy system to another temple... Once I get the Seekers and Dark Visor I should be able to come and go freely.

So lucky that the GFMC Compound translator gate doesn't appear. I'm not sure I could complete the game if it were there.

Oh, it's not a speedrun. I suck at speedrunning. It's just a random ILS run. I'm skipping the translators because I have to. I'm playing on Dolphin, and I've got that glitch where the translator gates won't scan. No way around it.

[quote="kirbymastah"]If you're just doing a random ILS run, then I'm honestly not sure why you're planning on doing all these tricks.[/quote]

Well, why not? I don't want to do ILS and play through the rest of the game normally. I wanna get Screw Attack and Light Suit as early as possible, do Torvus last, ect.

EDIT: I've made it to Agon. I should be fine until Screw Attack.

I really don't think I'm going to be able to skip Quadraxis. I'm not experienced enough.

Kirbymastah, if you want me to define my run, I'd say that it's just a "fun run" to get back into the game and familiarize myself with all of the advanced stuff. I'm skipping Dark Suit, Gravity Boost, Grapple, and Echo Visor, but I'll grab a few expansions.

I'll go Dark / Light beams > Screw Attack > Annihilator > Light Suit > Torvus, PB Guardian and Chykka, then...just go from there, I guess. I'm not sure of the route I'll be able to take, but I'll have to get Seekers.

There are a few foreseeable problems so far. How do I get back to Temple Grounds to get the Light suit and Seekers? Unless I can walk through the Agon or Torvus translator gates from behind, I think the only way to and from Temple Grounds is through Sanctuary > GFMC Compound. The only problem there is the seeker gate in the room between Sanctuary Entrance and Main Reactor. Can I go through that backward?

I think I only need to visit U-Mos once, for the Light suit, and the only way out is to take the energy system to another temple... Once I get the Seekers and Dark Visor I should be able to come and go freely.

So lucky that the GFMC Compound translator gate doesn't appear. I'm not sure I could complete the game if it were there.

Phazar

2013-03-10 03:12:34 pm

...

So are you trying to skip the Violet Translator then? Or the Amber Translator? If so, I wish you the best of luck, as I'm pretty sure you can't skip either of those without running into problems later, especially when attempting to return to Temple Grounds. The best way back from Sanctuary to Temple Grounds(for Light Suit and Seekers) would be to (at the beginning of the game) get the TAS Power Bomb, get the Violet Translator unless you can wallcrawl past it on both sides of the Agon Transport, go to Agon, PB open Sanctuary from there, go about your business in Sanctuary, then exit through the transport to Agon, then the Agon transport to Temple Grounds. Also, as a side note, I hope you are ready for grappleless Grand Abyss.