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TAxxOUTBR3AKxx
TAxxOUTBR3AKxx
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TAxxOUTBR3AKxx: 2009-08-30 02:43:53 am
2009-07-27 06:45:48 am
The beta I put out does not showcase anything up to date but the area you're in and  just some of the GFX changes and layout. Nothing is finalized until I'm happy with it! grin new This hack is loosely based from aspects from Metroid Prime 2, with there being a "dark" and "light" world. The major difference from MP2 is the fact that it isn't a mirrored light/dark worlds, but rather the dark world is it's own "area" because I decided to make it that way.

This hack features a huge variety of GFX changes, suit changes, and a complete overhaul of the layout and the way the game is played.  So far there are no new tilesets. There is some ASM that I need to learn in order to complete this hack for a couple small things. Enemies also feature new palettes to make for Dark World changes, so expect to see something exciting. There will be an updated Beta soon that will let you work through the starting area for a bit to see some changes for yourselves.
This is my first WIP and my first attempt with SMILE.....though I have been working on this project for nearly 4 months already, I have learned most of what there is to do with SMILE, minus it's own complications. I'm planning for an X-mas release time-frame, but don't hold me to that as it could be earlier, or later.

Depending on how well this goes, I might try to create a light/dark world mirrored version where events in one world affects the other. Until then here's some progress bars and what is present in this hack.

UPDATE 9/18/09:

Auric Caves: 99%--Map Complete--Still little things bugging me.
Phazon Gardens: 25%----Map Complete-----On-going Level Design-----Palettes Completed
Dark World: 15%---------Map Incomplete---Starting Level Design------Palettes Completed
Sky Summit: 15%--------Map Incomplete---Starting Level Design------FX1 Complete
Surface: 10%------------Map Complete-----Starting Level Design-----Need to create new tileset
Land's End: 20%---------Map Incomplete---Starting Level Design------Palettes Completed

Nintendo Logo: 100%
Title Screen: 100%
Main Menu: 100%
Pause Screen Changes: 50%
Font Changes: 100%
HUD Changes: 95%
ASM Changes: 0%






Beta .04b fixes issues from .01b that drove people crazy, and caused a couple perma-stuck situations.....surely due from using a backup that wasn't completely "fixed". This beta has more recent level design and gfx changes that are more than likely final. Area of gameplay is same as first beta.
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Gaius_4
Gaius_4
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Gaius_4: 2009-07-27 07:52:04 am
2009-07-27 07:47:59 am
how about the phazon suit for gravity

laugh new j/k

The last pic...  are those bombs?

Quote from TAxxOUTBR3AKxx:
Depending on how well this goes, I might try to create a light/dark world mirrored version where events in one world affects the other.


The idea of events affecting things in (another) "world" sounds like Zaggoth's(?) hack -MDZ.  And that should take a lot of planning.  ...I'm not saying you're ripping him off, just that it is a good idea to use if you can use it.  Embarassed

Good luck with this.
Quietus
2009-07-27 08:55:26 am
Super Secret Area - Dead Ahead!
Nice work, Taxx!

I do have a couple of small suggestions, and both are purely cosmetic:

In pic 4, you have the platforms just ending at the rock face, which can sometimes look odd.  You could consider something like:

Original: Idea:

Also, in pic 6, you could look at some of the edging there, as the plantlife and bricks appear to just end prematurely as they meet each other.



attachments:
One.png
Two.png
Crys
2009-07-27 09:04:06 am
Green-Kirby, ROAR!
* Crys vomits

I'm sorry but the FG palette is fucking horrible IMO.
The shiny blue on the dark brown is horrible.
The light yellow on brown is also horrible.
The status bar text is bad in some of the pictures.

However, this is not a bad idea, in fact I have used it myself in the past for some long by dead projects. Let's just hope you can make it good.
Bloodsonic
2009-07-27 10:26:43 am
Crys, your comments are the most beautiful thing on the forum. I bet you would love it if someone gave you the same wonderful advice for your hack!

TAxx: change the crateria FG palette, and I'll be happy. (maybe the grass too.)
Or it COULD be better looking in motion, I'm not sure.
Looks interesting so far. I'd like to see more :P
TAxxOUTBR3AKxx
TAxxOUTBR3AKxx
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TAxxOUTBR3AKxx: 2009-07-29 12:22:16 am
2009-07-27 11:11:34 am
Quote from Crys:
* Crys vomits

I'm sorry but the FG palette is fucking horrible IMO.
The shiny blue on the dark brown is horrible.
The light yellow on brown is also horrible.
The status bar text is bad in some of the pictures.

However, this is not a bad idea, in fact I have used it myself in the past for some long by dead projects. Let's just hope you can make it good.


The FG Palette IS a little bright to my liking, which is part of the "misc" errors I have, it will be changed (darker).
The Shiny blue against dark brown I'm assuming is for the immediate tiles, the BG hasn't been redrawn yet, that is part of Phazon Yards.
The light yellow I'm assuming is the grass, which in that room doesn't have the correct FX1, which made it darker when it was correct---->Will be fixed.
I don't see how the status bar text can be "bad" in some pics when there are only 2 different ones. That is staying, maybe a change to the palette slightly. Also need to change the HUD GFX slightly to compensate the GFX changes of weapons.

Quietus: I like your idea, I'm actually going to go back and redraw that part of the room, and spruce up a couple areas with that idea
Acheron: You guys will be able to test part of this out before to long just to see how things are. Thanks for all the comments so far.
Quote from Gaius_4:
how about the phazon suit for gravity

laugh new j/k

The last pic...  are those bombs?

Yup, those are slightly modified bombs, believe me, everything in this hack looks better in motion.

Edit: Acheron, that was definately supposed to be for Bloodsonic....For some reason your name came up in my head. XD
Acheron
2009-07-27 12:46:23 pm
Acclaimed Threshold
Constant Sorrows
Quote from TAxxOUTBR3AKxx:
Achteron: You guys will be able to test part of this out before to long just to see how things are. Thanks for all the comments so far.


What? I hadn't said anything yet.
Bloodsonic
2009-07-27 01:00:40 pm
lolling.
I'm guessing he meant me? :P
Crys
2009-07-27 01:23:31 pm
Green-Kirby, ROAR!
Oh, I'm sorry. Let me get into detail so you can't misunderstand me.

First of all. .jpg is a shitty format to save this type of images in. .png is the better option unless you know what you're doing.

Red points out tiling errors:



The blue part is upside down. Not a big deal but the shading looks weird.


1. The blue mix very badly with the brown/dark red. Try making it a color that mixes better, or at least looks good.

2. The brightest color is limeish and looks out of place. The next color is orange, and the last two colors are dark yellow. This makes the FG look ugly. Try instead to make the two dark yellow more orange/brownish and the brightest color yellow.

3. That status bar coloring looks bad no matter how you look at it. If you really want it red/yellow then at least switch the place of them and make them both darker.



Blood: Your sarcasm is not welcome here, unlike you, I prefer feedback that points out problems.
Bloodsonic
2009-07-27 01:36:19 pm
Quote from crys:
Blood: Your sarcasm is not welcome here

This is the last place you should be saying something like this; Tomatobob is one of the top posting members here ;D

Also,
Quote from crys:
unlike you, I prefer feedback that points out problems.

Feedback is really the last thing I'd call your first post. I wouldn't EVER call "this and that is fucking horrible IMO" feedback.
Just telling him what you don't like isn't feedback, that's why you had to come back and make a second post.
Crys
2009-07-27 04:40:29 pm
Green-Kirby, ROAR!
Yeah but, unlike you I find Tomatobobs posts funny. Maybe it's just some thing you lack?

Now please stop bitching about if my feedback is good or not. If you don't like it then simply spam me angry PM's that I can ignore.  Rolling Eyes
BiggestSchnoz
2009-07-27 05:33:58 pm
[BANNED]
Um, you'll have to forgive me if this is off subject here, but both Bloodsonic and Crys mentioned Tomatobob's posts just now on this thread, but Tomatobob hasn't made a one post in this thread as of yet  laugh new laugh new.  Unless I missed it and Tomatobob is an alt. account of TAxxOUTBR3AKxx??  Which having an alt. account here isn't allowed on this site that I know of, although I could be wrong....

Just wondering why someone's posts are mentioned yet the person didn't post here as of yet, no offense.  laugh new
Quietus
2009-07-27 05:47:32 pm
Super Secret Area - Dead Ahead!
Crys mentioned sarcasm not being welcome on this forum, and Bloodsonic pointed out that 90% of tomatobob's posts are sarcastic, yet he hasn't been kill-banned-deaded yet.

Thou shalt not take the bob's name in vain.  SINNERS!! Twisted Evil
Crys
2009-07-27 06:56:13 pm
Green-Kirby, ROAR!
I meant it more in the way that I don't want that sort of sarcasm directed at me...  aiwebs_025
DonnyDonovan
2009-07-27 09:00:14 pm
Crys, with all due respect, I don't think you're in a position to dictate how others react to you given your self-admitted bluntness.  You walk a fine line at times between blunt and downright offensive, and your profanity is almost always totally unnecessary.  Asthetic preferences are a matter of opinion and just because others may disagree with yours doesn't make them wrong and you right.   

On topic, I think it looks very cool. 
Sadiztik Fish
2009-07-28 04:21:10 am
OMG FLAN!!!!!!!
Quote from DonnyDonovan:
Crys, with all due respect, I don't think you're in a position to dictate how others react to you given your self-admitted bluntness.  You walk a fine line at times between blunt and downright offensive, and your profanity is almost always totally unnecessary.  Asthetic preferences are a matter of opinion and just because others may disagree with yours doesn't make them wrong and you right.   


I was about to post something along those lines when I actually read this post. DD said pretty much everything I was going to.


Anyway ON topic XD:
Taxx you should switch around the red and yellow from the HUD, since the brightest color is usually surrounded by darker colors. Also I think just darkening the palettes overall would do nicely, especially the FG dirt in the yellow tiles. Though it's hard to tell how it plays from a screenshot.

BTW your bombs are orgasmic. Is the explodiness different as well?
Gaius_4
Gaius_4
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Gaius_4: 2009-07-28 06:47:29 am
2009-07-28 06:42:09 am
I think what some people are getting at with the color is...

Well, if you put all the colors you have in a tile, then arrange them from darkest to brightest (by tones?) -- they should usually all be in the same shade.  Anything that is drastically off from most of the other colors'es  aiwebs_017 spectrum -it may look odd.  Like the light blue and brown/dark-orange.  Yet, in that particular pic (w/ Samus on the lift) -I almost think of ice, or that it's cold in that area.  So in that regard -it works. Confused

I could suggest what I would do/how I'd change it.  But it's your hack, and I know it's still a WIP.

Edit: I, for one, don't mind the red and yellow-outlined numbers / letters.  It's has a high contrast...  and it's just different (for a change).  Smile
Acheron
2009-07-28 08:52:57 am
Acclaimed Threshold
Constant Sorrows
Wow, way too much bickering in here. Let's not do that.

I am inclined to agree to some extent with Crys' observations. I don't think they are game-ruining, but those little mistakes, when you add them up, can make the difference between a good hack and a great one. Color choice is always personal opinion and I don't really mind that, but there are some tiling mishaps you might want to fix.

Or you might not want to. God knows my first hack had those like crazy. If you aren't aiming to knock everyone's socks off with this fullhack, I would just press through, do what you want, and not worry too much about being the best ever your first time.
Cardweaver
2009-07-28 10:40:42 am
Yeah... but shadows was barely playable. I have more faith in TAxxOUTBR3AKxx's abilities than that. Geez Acheron...

My opinion: I could care less about color choice unless it's too bright or too dark to be playable. Tiling errors on the other hand should always be fixed if found, unless they aren't actually errors. They often detract from gameplay and distract the player.
DonnyDonovan
2009-07-28 11:52:33 am
And just to be clear, when I said it looked good, I meant the colors.  They're different but sometimes I find that eye-catching.  I agree that tiling errors are best minimized and fixed, although for me, gameplay is always by far the most important consideration.

I'm also not trying to start trouble with anyone.  I think honesty is generally a good thing, although sometimes a little more diplomacy wouldn't hurt.  That's all I was trying to say.
Opium
2009-07-28 01:44:03 pm
The more technical feedback escapes me, but I really don't understand excessive feedback about aesthetic choices.  I see that as the hacker's style.  What if someone had told DaVinci to change the Mona Lisa's smile because they didn't like it?  I enjoy seeing the differences in everyone's art.  Whether it's loud, bland, or whatever, I appreciate it as their individual style.
Crys
2009-07-28 01:47:28 pm
Green-Kirby, ROAR!
Quote from Opium:
The more technical feedback escapes me, but I really don't understand excessive feedback about aesthetic choices.  I see that as the hacker's style.  What if someone had told DaVinci to change the Mona Lisa's smile because they didn't like it?  I enjoy seeing the differences in everyone's art.  Whether it's loud, bland, or whatever, I appreciate it as their individual style.

Anyone is free to ignore anything I say if they really want to. :/

I just put my opinion based on my experince. If you don't like it then just ignore it.
Opium
2009-07-28 01:52:42 pm
Quote from Crys:
Quote from Opium:
The more technical feedback escapes me, but I really don't understand excessive feedback about aesthetic choices.  I see that as the hacker's style.  What if someone had told DaVinci to change the Mona Lisa's smile because they didn't like it?  I enjoy seeing the differences in everyone's art.  Whether it's loud, bland, or whatever, I appreciate it as their individual style.

Anyone is free to ignore anything I say if they really want to. :/

I just put my opinion based on my experince. If you don't like it then just ignore it.


I really wasn't talking about your feedback specifically, just feedback in general. 

Who peed in your wheaties?  You've been a little grouchy lately, I think you need some dope.
Crys
2009-07-28 02:52:03 pm
Green-Kirby, ROAR!
And I was not talking to you specifically to you. But the quote button was just the one I took. :P
DonnyDonovan
2009-07-28 08:28:01 pm
Quote:
Who peed in your wheaties?  You've been a little grouchy lately, I think you need some dope.


Or some good lovin'.  That's always helpful for the mood.  Or getting together with someone for some good dope followed by some good lovin'.  That will improve the mood exponentially.