Storyline?

2006-06-26 06:10:29 am

How come MP3 is a direct sequel to MP2 when Samus' ship is the same in MP2 and M2, but different in MP3 which takes place between MP2 and M2? :-s

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arkarian

2006-06-26 08:18:00 am

red chamber dream

It's just "literary" licence. Retro wanted to do a different design for the ship in MP3; it's not meant to disrupt the storyline.
For an in-game explanation, Samus also may own multiple ships.

Joey

2006-06-27 12:11:27 am

Mabye the GF's redesigned it for battle.

nn12000

2006-06-27 12:52:22 am

Mister ...

Well, with the whole traveling to different planets and stuff, that's probably the most logical explanation.

moozooh

2006-06-27 09:26:02 am

Quote from Dr. Phazon:

How come MP3 is a direct sequel to MP2 when Samus' ship is the same in MP2 and M2, but different in MP3 which takes place between MP2 and M2? :-s

http://www.bobandgeorge.com/Subcomics/Metroid/Archive/Metroid235.png!

Zeku

2007-01-24 03:15:23 am

Thanks Nate and others for keeping m2002 up and running.

I'm feeling a little out of place as far as the Metroid storyline goes. It seemed to start wobbling a little bit, with Prime having so little connection to the previous storylines. (especially with two versions of Prime1 that had slightly different stories) Then with Echoes there was a whole bunch of new stuff going on that wasn't particularly compelling, kind of a plot non-entendre. Then we have Fusion, the remake, the originals... (which were thankfully, in order) I have no idea where the story stands right now.

Can someone direct me to a good plot summary of Metroid events, preferably in a timeline format?

I guess....I've just never come to terms with how completely Prime dropped the original "main" storyline, which the japanese games have been meticulously attentive to, especially in regards to the metroids themselves.

Was it ever finally established whether Prime was a metroid that consumed phazon, or whether it was some unique organism that actually generated phazon?

Was is it ever established exactly what Mother Brain was? Was she an organic computer of some kind, or a tyrannical leader, or just one of the various minions of the 'Space Pirates?' And Ridley? Is he sentient? Is there more than one of him?

Is there any connections between the X (of fusion) and the other story elements?

And I can't even remember the events of Echoes, or anything about the Ing, and that's what leaves me most unhappy about this sequel. It's hard to feel like I'm playing metroid if we're just continuing the saga of Dark Samus. All I remember about her is that somehow Prime assimilated things, rather than simply absorb their energy, and Dark Samus spawned from Prime's corpse?

Thanks Nate and others for keeping m2002 up and running.

I'm feeling a little out of place as far as the Metroid storyline goes.  It seemed to start wobbling a little bit, with Prime having so little connection to the previous storylines.  (especially with two versions of Prime1 that had slightly different stories)  Then with Echoes there was a whole bunch of new stuff going on that wasn't particularly compelling, kind of a plot non-entendre.  Then we have Fusion, the remake, the originals...  (which were thankfully, in order)  I have no idea where the story stands right now.

Can someone direct me to a good plot summary of Metroid events, preferably in a timeline format?

I guess....I've just never come to terms with how completely Prime dropped the original "main" storyline, which the japanese games have been meticulously attentive to, especially in regards to the metroids themselves.

Was it ever finally established whether Prime was a metroid that consumed phazon, or whether it was some unique organism that actually generated phazon?

Was is it ever established exactly what Mother Brain was?  Was she an organic computer of some kind, or a tyrannical leader, or just one of the various minions of the 'Space Pirates?'  And Ridley?  Is he sentient?  Is there more than one of him?

Is there any connections between the X (of fusion) and the other story elements?

And I can't even remember the events of Echoes, or anything about the Ing, and that's what leaves me most unhappy about this sequel.  It's hard to feel like I'm playing metroid if we're just continuing the saga of Dark Samus.  All I remember about her is that somehow Prime assimilated things, rather than simply absorb their energy, and Dark Samus spawned from Prime's corpse?

UchihaSasuke

2007-01-24 03:28:47 am

my umbrella goes directly to Bankai

most of those questions could still be answered between Prime 3 and a sequel to Fusion.

mp2's story is the Majora's Mask of the Metroid series, except that the story isn't nearly half as good as MM's story.

Dragonfangs

2007-01-24 03:34:31 am

Quote from Zeku:

Was is it ever established exactly what Mother Brain was? Was she an organic computer of some kind, or a tyrannical leader, or just one of the various minions of the 'Space Pirates?'

According to the e-manga, Mother Brain was a highly advanced organic computer built and used by the Chozo. There's nothing official about how she turned to the space pirates IIRC, but I believe she was simply reprogrammed when they invaded Zebes.

Quote from Zeku:

Is there any connections between the X (of fusion) and the other story elements?

Well X were the main predators of SR388. For some reason, the Chozo were not pleased whith this and so the Metroids were created, which almost eradicated all of the X. But along came Samus and killed every single Metroid on the planet except for the hatchling, which she took with her. So the X gained dominance again before Samus got back.

Prime Hunter

2007-01-24 08:26:15 am

I'm sure most of the Metroid Prime/Dark Samus information, as well as the Phazon info, will come when Corruption is released. This is the last of the Prime Trilogy, so unless they want to leave us hanging, we should hopefully find out everything in the next few months.

JJAB91

(user is banned)

2007-01-24 02:48:44 pm

Quote from Zeku:

Thanks Nate and others for keeping m2002 up and running.

I'm feeling a little out of place as far as the Metroid storyline goes. It seemed to start wobbling a little bit, with Prime having so little connection to the previous storylines. (especially with two versions of Prime1 that had slightly different stories) Then with Echoes there was a whole bunch of new stuff going on that wasn't particularly compelling, kind of a plot non-entendre. Then we have Fusion, the remake, the originals... (which were thankfully, in order) I have no idea where the story stands right now.

Can someone direct me to a good plot summary of Metroid events, preferably in a timeline format?

I guess....I've just never come to terms with how completely Prime dropped the original "main" storyline, which the japanese games have been meticulously attentive to, especially in regards to the metroids themselves.

Was it ever finally established whether Prime was a metroid that consumed phazon, or whether it was some unique organism that actually generated phazon?

Was is it ever established exactly what Mother Brain was? Was she an organic computer of some kind, or a tyrannical leader, or just one of the various minions of the 'Space Pirates?' And Ridley? Is he sentient? Is there more than one of him?

Is there any connections between the X (of fusion) and the other story elements?

And I can't even remember the events of Echoes, or anything about the Ing, and that's what leaves me most unhappy about this sequel. It's hard to feel like I'm playing metroid if we're just continuing the saga of Dark Samus. All I remember about her is that somehow Prime assimilated things, rather than simply absorb their energy, and Dark Samus spawned from Prime's corpse?

Here is a official timeline for the Metroid series it go's like this:

1: Metroid / Metroid:Zero Mission
2: Metroid Prime
3: Metroid Prime Hunters
4: Metroid Prime 2: Echos
5: Metroid Prime 3: Corruption
6: Metroid 2: The Return of Samus
7: Super Metroid
8: Metroid Fusion

And Ridley got rebuilt up until Metroid 2 then the Space Pirates had mastered cloning and begun to clone the destroyed body parts of Ridley and Kraid.

[quote="Zeku"]Thanks Nate and others for keeping m2002 up and running.

I'm feeling a little out of place as far as the Metroid storyline goes.  It seemed to start wobbling a little bit, with Prime having so little connection to the previous storylines.  (especially with two versions of Prime1 that had slightly different stories)  Then with Echoes there was a whole bunch of new stuff going on that wasn't particularly compelling, kind of a plot non-entendre.  Then we have Fusion, the remake, the originals...  (which were thankfully, in order)  I have no idea where the story stands right now.

Can someone direct me to a good plot summary of Metroid events, preferably in a timeline format?

I guess....I've just never come to terms with how completely Prime dropped the original "main" storyline, which the japanese games have been meticulously attentive to, especially in regards to the metroids themselves.

Was it ever finally established whether Prime was a metroid that consumed phazon, or whether it was some unique organism that actually generated phazon?

Was is it ever established exactly what Mother Brain was?  Was she an organic computer of some kind, or a tyrannical leader, or just one of the various minions of the 'Space Pirates?'  And Ridley?  Is he sentient?  Is there more than one of him?

Is there any connections between the X (of fusion) and the other story elements?

And I can't even remember the events of Echoes, or anything about the Ing, and that's what leaves me most unhappy about this sequel.  It's hard to feel like I'm playing metroid if we're just continuing the saga of Dark Samus.  All I remember about her is that somehow Prime assimilated things, rather than simply absorb their energy, and Dark Samus spawned from Prime's corpse?[/quote]
Here is a official timeline for the Metroid series it go's like this:

1: Metroid / Metroid:Zero Mission
2: Metroid Prime
3: Metroid Prime Hunters
4: Metroid Prime 2: Echos
5: Metroid Prime 3: Corruption
6: Metroid 2: The Return of Samus
7: Super Metroid
8: Metroid Fusion

And Ridley got rebuilt up until Metroid 2 then the Space Pirates had mastered cloning and begun to clone the destroyed body parts of Ridley and Kraid.

Zeku

2007-01-24 07:54:07 pm

Thank you!

So there was a big gap of time between the first and the second. That would make sense, with Prime being the ultimate example of why having the Metroids around might be a bad idea. It would also give her personal motivation for exterminating them, if their existence allowed the creation of something as deadly as Dark Samus. (or phazon)

Of course, that doesn't explain why Samus would be silly enough to keep one, when the express purpose of her mission was to exterminate the new strains appearing on SR388. (I think?) ...Oh well, plot devices.

So Ridley is some kind of biological weapon, that makes a lot of sense. This theme alone, the use of living things as weapons rather than micro-organisms or ordinance, is what makes Metroid so compelling to me. It implies that technology exists that nullfies more 'modern' approaches to wholesale destruction, or that such approaches are inefficient and undesirable.

Reading this,
http://db.gamefaqs.com/console/gamecube/file/metroid_prime_chozo_lore.txt
It's clear that the origin of the destructive influence of Prime was completely external in nature, not the creation of the Chozo. Knowing that they created the metroids, that means the association of metroids and phazon was a later event, and that a normal metroid cannot be the actual original source of the phazon. It may be the current source of it, however.

Reading this,
http://db.gamefaqs.com/console/gamecube/file/metroid_prime_pirate_data.txt
It suggests that Prime (in the form of a metroid) is the 'great worm' specified by the Chozo lore, but it isn't conclusive. In fact, it would be more reasonable to assume that there is some other, unspecified destructive element, that was originally unrelated to metroids. It could also be possible that a normal metroid's accidental exposure to phazon and Chozo technology, and it's subsequent invincibility to said Chozo technology, would have been a final blow to an already weakened Chozo spiritual state, leading them to believe that their choices over the millennia have led them to an irrevocable state of decay. The now superstitious and impressionable Chozo would choose to bury their problem and attach a mythos to it, rather than face it and destroy it.

Another possibility is that Prime is a being that assimilates whatever is strongest into itself...more on that in a sec. (This would also explain why Prime would assimilate Samus, seeing her as the ultimate host, as far as strength goes, just as it originally saw the metroids.)

It confirms that Ridley is semi-sentient, as well as being a bio-weapon. "now called Meta Ridley, will become the mainstay of our security force, a job he will certainly relish."

Reading this,
http://db.gamefaqs.com/console/gamecube/file/metroid_prime_2_lore.txt

The first thing you notice is that there's a continuity error in one entry, it claims that Samus blew up Zebes, which of course, hadn't happened yet. The original self-destruct only blew up the pirate base. No biggie.

The second thing you notice is that there is a distinct possibility that Dark Samus/Prime are in fact the origin of the problems on Aether, as well as the creator of the Ing. The nature of the Ing may simply be a product of the nature of the planet that Prime was assimilating. (or that the phazon was mutating) In the assimiliation/mutation process, some critical elements of the host were 'mirrored.' This makes sense conceptually, anyway.

I'm trying to isolate how phazon fits into all this, and I think the most reasonable analogy is that it's like honey. Prime sucks up the energy of a world, much like a metroid, and concentrates that energy into phazon for later consumption. The fact that phazon modifies other life is simply a side-effect, the substance is probably unrelated to the activities and power of Prime itself.

I feel like I can see a 'big picture' now, which is that the 'great worm' of the chozo lore is something we don't know about yet. It originally took the form of a metroid on Tallon IV, and then it took the form of Samus on Aether.

Thank you!

So there was a big gap of time between the first and the second.  That would make sense, with Prime being the ultimate example of why having the Metroids around might be a bad idea.  It would also give her personal motivation for exterminating them, if their existence allowed the creation of something as deadly as Dark Samus.  (or phazon)

Of course, that doesn't explain why Samus would be silly enough to keep one, when the express purpose of her mission was to exterminate the new strains appearing on SR388.  (I think?)  ...Oh well, plot devices.

So Ridley is some kind of biological weapon, that makes a lot of sense.  This theme alone, the use of living things as weapons rather than micro-organisms or ordinance, is what makes Metroid so compelling to me.  It implies that technology exists that nullfies more 'modern' approaches to wholesale destruction, or that such approaches are inefficient and undesirable.

Reading this,
http://db.gamefaqs.com/console/gamecube/file/metroid_prime_chozo_lore.txt
It's clear that the origin of the destructive influence of Prime was completely external in nature, not the creation of the Chozo.  Knowing that they created the metroids, that means the association of metroids and phazon was a later event, and that a normal metroid cannot be the actual original source of the phazon.  It may be the current source of it, however.

Reading this,
http://db.gamefaqs.com/console/gamecube/file/metroid_prime_pirate_data.txt
It suggests that Prime (in the form of a metroid) is the 'great worm' specified by the Chozo lore, but it isn't conclusive.  In fact, it would be more reasonable to assume that there is some other, unspecified destructive element, that was originally unrelated to metroids.  It could also be possible that a normal metroid's accidental exposure to phazon and Chozo technology, and it's subsequent invincibility to said Chozo technology, would have been a final blow to an already weakened Chozo spiritual state, leading them to believe that their choices over the millennia have led them to an irrevocable state of decay.  The now superstitious and impressionable Chozo would choose to bury their problem and attach a mythos to it, rather than face it and destroy it.

Another possibility is that Prime is a being that assimilates whatever is strongest into itself...more on that in a sec.  (This would also explain why Prime would assimilate Samus, seeing her as the ultimate host, as far as strength goes, just as it originally saw the metroids.)

It confirms that Ridley is semi-sentient, as well as being a bio-weapon.  "now called Meta Ridley, will become the mainstay of our security force, a job he will certainly relish."

Reading this,
http://db.gamefaqs.com/console/gamecube/file/metroid_prime_2_lore.txt

The first thing you notice is that there's a continuity error in one entry, it claims that Samus blew up Zebes, which of course, hadn't happened yet.  The original self-destruct only blew up the pirate base.  No biggie.

The second thing you notice is that there is a distinct possibility that Dark Samus/Prime are in fact the origin of the problems on Aether, as well as the creator of the Ing.  The nature of the Ing may simply be a product of the nature of the planet that Prime was assimilating.  (or that the phazon was mutating)  In the assimiliation/mutation process, some critical elements of the host were 'mirrored.'  This makes sense conceptually, anyway.

I'm trying to isolate how phazon fits into all this, and I think the most reasonable analogy is that it's like honey.  Prime sucks up the energy of a world, much like a metroid, and concentrates that energy into phazon for later consumption.  The fact that phazon modifies other life is simply a side-effect, the substance is probably unrelated to the activities and power of Prime itself.

I feel like I can see a 'big picture' now, which is that the 'great worm' of the chozo lore is something we don't know about yet.  It originally took the form of a metroid on Tallon IV, and then it took the form of Samus on Aether.

JJAB91

(user is banned)

2007-01-24 08:03:09 pm

Quote from Zeku:

Reading this,
http://db.gamefaqs.com/console/gamecube/file/metroid_prime_chozo_lore.txt
It's clear that the origin of the destructive influence of Prime was completely external in nature, not the creation of the Chozo. Knowing that they created the metroids, that means the association of metroids and phazon was a later event, and that Prime cannot be the actual original source of the phazon. It may be the current source of it, however.

Reading this,
http://db.gamefaqs.com/console/gamecube/file/metroid_prime_pirate_data.txt
It suggests that Prime is the 'great worm' specified by the Chozo lore, but it isn't conclusive. In fact, it would be more reasonable to assume that there is some other, unspecified destructive element, or that alternatively, the concentrated phazon itself is the 'worm.' It could also be possible that a normal metroid's accidental exposure to phazon and Chozo technology, and it's subsequent invincibility to said Chozo technology, would have been a final blow to an already weakened Chozo spiritual state, leading them to believe that their choices over the millennia have led them to an irrevocable state of decay. The now superstitious and impressionable Chozo would choose to bury their problem and attach a mythos to it, rather than face it and destroy it.

It confirms that Ridley is semi-sentient, as well as being a bio-weapon. "now called Meta Ridley, will become the mainstay of our security force, a job he will certainly relish."

Reading this,
http://db.gamefaqs.com/console/gamecube/file/metroid_prime_2_lore.txt

The first thing you notice is that there's a continuity error in one entry, it claims that Samus blew up Zebes, which of course, hadn't happened yet. The original self-destruct only blew up the pirate base. No biggie.

The second thing you notice is that there is a distinct possibility that Dark Samus/Prime are in fact the origin of the problems on Aether, as well as the creator of the Ing. The nature of the Ing may simply be a product of the nature of the planet that Prime was assimilating. In the assimiliation process, some critical elements of the host were 'mirrored.' This makes sense conceptually, anyway.

In all likelihood, Prime/DS is the dark object that crashed on the planet. If we assume that phazon is a product of Prime, perhaps the residue of the assimilation process, we could also conclude that the Ing were creations of Dark Samus/Prime/phazon.

Sorry if this is all old news, but I feel a LOT better after having looked over this stuff. I feel like I can get into Prime3's story now.

I feel like I've hit the big picture that the storyteller is trying to present, which is that the 'great worm' of the chozo lore is something we don't know about yet. It originally took the form of a metroid on Tallon IV, and then it took the form of Samus on Aether.

Uhh What?

[quote="Zeku"]
Reading this,
http://db.gamefaqs.com/console/gamecube/file/metroid_prime_chozo_lore.txt
It's clear that the origin of the destructive influence of Prime was completely external in nature, not the creation of the Chozo.  Knowing that they created the metroids, that means the association of metroids and phazon was a later event, and that Prime cannot be the actual original source of the phazon.  It may be the current source of it, however.

Reading this,
http://db.gamefaqs.com/console/gamecube/file/metroid_prime_pirate_data.txt
It suggests that Prime is the 'great worm' specified by the Chozo lore, but it isn't conclusive.  In fact, it would be more reasonable to assume that there is some other, unspecified destructive element, or that alternatively, the concentrated phazon itself is the 'worm.'  It could also be possible that a normal metroid's accidental exposure to phazon and Chozo technology, and it's subsequent invincibility to said Chozo technology, would have been a final blow to an already weakened Chozo spiritual state, leading them to believe that their choices over the millennia have led them to an irrevocable state of decay.  The now superstitious and impressionable Chozo would choose to bury their problem and attach a mythos to it, rather than face it and destroy it.

It confirms that Ridley is semi-sentient, as well as being a bio-weapon.  "now called Meta Ridley, will become the mainstay of our security force, a job he will certainly relish."

Reading this,
http://db.gamefaqs.com/console/gamecube/file/metroid_prime_2_lore.txt

The first thing you notice is that there's a continuity error in one entry, it claims that Samus blew up Zebes, which of course, hadn't happened yet.  The original self-destruct only blew up the pirate base.  No biggie.

The second thing you notice is that there is a distinct possibility that Dark Samus/Prime are in fact the origin of the problems on Aether, as well as the creator of the Ing.  The nature of the Ing may simply be a product of the nature of the planet that Prime was assimilating.  In the assimiliation process, some critical elements of the host were 'mirrored.'  This makes sense conceptually, anyway.

In all likelihood, Prime/DS is the dark object that crashed on the planet.  If we assume that phazon is a product of Prime, perhaps the residue of the assimilation process, we could also conclude that the Ing were creations of Dark Samus/Prime/phazon.

Sorry if this is all old news, but I feel a LOT better after having looked over this stuff.  I feel like I can get into Prime3's story now.

I feel like I've hit the big picture that the storyteller is trying to present, which is that the 'great worm' of the chozo lore is something we don't know about yet.  It originally took the form of a metroid on Tallon IV, and then it took the form of Samus on Aether.[/quote]
Uhh What?

arkarian

2007-01-24 09:09:32 pm

red chamber dream

JJAB91, please don't quote entire walls of texts like that, especially when you barely even have something to say in reply.

JJAB91

(user is banned)

2007-01-24 09:13:39 pm

Quote from Arkarian:

JJAB91, please don't quote entire walls of texts like that, especially when you barely even have something to say in reply.

Sorry about that.

Prime Hunter

2007-01-24 09:17:05 pm

Um.... from my interpretation of the events in Echoes, the object that strikes Aether did so MANY MANY years ago, long before Samus and Dark Samus ever get there. Dark Samus appears to go there because she need to "feed" on the Phazon to survive at this point in her development. (From what I know of Corruption's story, I don't know if this is the case anymore.)

And Samus doesn't kill the larva Metroid at the end of ROS because it sees her as a mother, and she can't bring herself to kill it off. (Maternal instincts sort of kick in for Samus at that point.) She does bring it to the Ceres Science Station at the beginning of Super to have them study it, so it's not like she kept it around as a pet or anything.

JJAB91

(user is banned)

2007-01-24 09:21:08 pm

Quote from Prime Hunter:

Um.... from my interpretation of the events in Echoes, the object that strikes Aether did so MANY MANY years ago, long before Samus and Dark Samus ever get there.

80 years to be in fact.

Prime Hunter

2007-01-24 09:37:09 pm

I don't seem to remember anything that specifically told us the amount of time that had passed since then. But I haven't played Echoes in ages, let alone scanned anything regarding the story in recent playthroughs.

Zeku

2007-01-24 09:40:19 pm

Hmm that's quite a wrench, isn't it? That places phazon itself, (or it's unknown creators) as the real culprit, and Prime/DS as simply a side-effect of it's properties. It also ruins the 'honey' theory.

The Space Pirates have always been motivated by avarice, but phazon almost implies an intelligent and focused force of 'evil,' one concerned with something like all-inclusive bio-harvesting, or perhaps even universal destruction. That might be believable, but it's not terribly exciting. I hope the writers have a little more than that for the finale.

How exciting! They'd better have some conclusive answers to some of my questions, like how phazon can be both a catalyst and a product of the mutagenic process.

JJAB91

(user is banned)

2007-01-24 10:01:27 pm

And how it came to be in the first place. Because Tallon 4 and Aether were hit by Phazon meteors I want to know where they came from.

arkarian

2007-01-24 10:36:23 pm

red chamber dream

Some other planet, I would guess. Probably called Phazon.

transience

2007-01-25 12:53:10 am

twenty eight fifty

THE METROID'S IN FRIGGIN' CAPTIVITY

THE GALAXY'S AT PEACE

WHOA CRAP

THE GALAXY'S BACK AT PEACE

NOW THAT, MY FRIENDS, IS A STORYLINE

AHH I CAN'T STOP YELLING

Metroiddestruktor

2007-01-25 03:15:25 pm

Quote from Arkarian:

Some other planet, I would guess. Probably called Phazon.

I'm hoping for a fantastic final fight against Dark Samus there. =)
(And a bit harder than in Mp1 & 2)

RT-55J

2007-01-25 03:22:09 pm

Armor Guardian

i <3 luke

skunkobot

2007-01-25 04:13:33 pm

Quote from transience:

THE METROID'S IN FRIGGIN' CAPTIVITY

THE GALAXY'S AT PEACE

WHOA CRAP

THE GALAXY'S BACK AT PEACE

NOW THAT, MY FRIENDS, IS A STORYLINE

AHH I CAN'T STOP YELLING

Just because we haven't yet had a significant story in one of the games, doesn't mean that we (being those who do) should stop wanting it.

Samus all alone has worked thus far, but I would sure like to have a better sense of context as to the effect of her actions.

Skreemaster

2007-01-25 05:51:56 pm

I'll be back. Maybe...

Quote from skunkobot:

I would sure like to have a better sense of context as to the effect of her actions.

isn't the catastrophic destruction of entire planets enough for you?
what do you want? interplanetary politics?!