Segmented PAL run with IBBF?

MrSpEeDrUn

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2013-05-18 09:39:12 am

MP2 also a bit MP1 speedrunning

well, i just checked the route for PAL IBBF and noticed that it could probably save a ton of time, especially cause you skip the first trip on phazon mines.
the only problem would probably be to get plasma beam, since you dont have a power bomb for it /:
so im pretty curious how a route for PAL IBBF would be, since i'd probably give it a shot, i really hope theres a way to get plasma early, or if you'd get it later or something, and enter phazon mines backwarts or something like that, cause i really have no clue how to get plasma beam the fastest way with PAL ibbf >_>
so the main problems are probably spirit, and plasma beam i guess ... :(

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MASTER-88

2013-05-18 09:44:42 am

Speedrunner

LOL this topic is more fun than good. Sub hour is not even theory possible on PAL imo. Zoid & Pirarte both got 1:07:59. Full 8 minutes off never happen on console. Its might be TAS possible though.

I might interested see if Miles or T3 got PAL version, i think both guys could get 1:04-1:05.

MrSpEeDrUn

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2013-05-18 09:48:00 am

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sub 1:07 should not be a problem i guess, but i dont wanna submit a shitty run to sda which doesnt even have like a route that makes sence you know...
well maybe it would, but i dont think i'd find the fastest route right away.

oh damn, wait
what is with the 2nd spider shaft in phazon mines before warrior?....
is that even possible to climb? i mean i remember those things to deal a ton of damage, but i think you could just take the normal way from there on its only like a minute slower i guess... according to miles thardus only takes like 90 seconds or so, means that its probably not worth it to skip thardus...

MASTER-88

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MASTER-88: 2013-05-18 09:53:43 am

2013-05-18 09:53:17 am

Speedrunner

Sub 1.07 is definitely good run and surely possible. Im not know what you mean about new route? IMO this IBBF route doesn,t work on PAL because there is powerbomb block before plasma.

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MrSpEeDrUn: 2013-05-18 09:54:39 am

2013-05-18 09:53:57 am

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exactly, that and the 2nd spider shaft at warrior is what i wanna discuss on this thread.
actually i can try to climb the spider shaft myself, god i hope that works <:/

MASTER-88

2013-05-18 09:58:54 am

Speedrunner

Yeah thats might be hard here. But yeah this topic name is totally wrong, even you can make this shaft without spiderball (im not think its possible) thats not mean how you can got plasma beam without powerbombs.

This route is only 2 minutes faster on NTSC nearly all SW is out of plan. Usually wall crawling cost too much time. Im not believe there is any faster route on PAL.

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MrSpEeDrUn: 2013-05-18 10:06:16 am

2013-05-18 10:01:43 am

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you save around 3-4 minutes just by skipping the first phazon mines trip, it would still be way faster if you didnt do the 2nd spider shaft.
and yeah, doing the second shaft would also save like a minute or so...

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MASTER-88: 2013-05-18 10:08:46 am

2013-05-18 10:06:39 am

Speedrunner

Are you timed this?

Im not think its saves like this. Compared Miles or Zoid route its save around 2-3 minutes. But how you can pass these hard/impossible spots without wasting time?. For exmaple this power bomb block before plasma?. Also this shaft what you are talking about this electrick will kill you.

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2013-05-18 10:09:34 am

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yeah, i want to test the thing with the shaft first, and its pretty clear how much time it saves to not do the firts phazon mines trip, i mean think about the backtrack you do in PAL, i mean you cant go through the ice beam door which is locked and with ibbf you could completely skip that trip, well thats not 3 minutes but.. ~~at least 1 minute there which you dont gain on NTSC~~+ the potential 90 seconds for thardus+ the minute for ibbf. but yeah its pretty obvious that it saves time, but sub 1 is probably not possible i guess...
anyways i really dont wanna talk about that in this thread

Edit: the actual timegain over the pal non-ibbf route would be around 2 minutes and 10 seconds in phazon mines. (taken from wgtans 1:07 run)
so its 1 minute+ 1 1/2 for thardus + 2 mins and 10 secs for the phazon mines trip

so its around 4 mins 40 secs, except the fact that you cant get plasma beam :/

factoring out the thardus skip would result in around a 3 minute and 10 seconds advantage over the old route

and than theres still plasma beam......

yeah, i want to test the thing with the shaft first, and its pretty clear how much time it saves to not do the firts phazon mines trip, i mean think about the backtrack you do in PAL, i mean you cant go through the ice beam door which is locked and with ibbf you could completely skip that trip, well thats not 3 minutes but.. [s]at least 1 minute there which you dont gain on NTSC[/s]+ the potential 90 seconds for thardus+ the minute for ibbf. but yeah its pretty obvious that it saves time, but sub 1 is probably not possible i guess...
anyways i really dont wanna talk about that in this thread

Edit: the actual timegain over the pal non-ibbf route would be around 2 minutes and 10 seconds in phazon mines. (taken from wgtans 1:07 run)
so its 1 minute+ 1 1/2 for thardus + 2 mins and 10 secs for the phazon mines trip

so its around 4 mins 40 secs, except the fact that you cant get plasma beam :/

factoring out the thardus skip would result in around a 3 minute and 10 seconds advantage over the old route

and than theres still plasma beam......

MASTER-88

2013-05-18 10:12:32 am

Speedrunner

Yeah i see. Next trouble is how you can got plassma beam. I might interesting about this. But good luck with new route. Im not still think this could be sub hour.

MaskedKirby

2013-05-18 11:12:25 am

Arbitrary MP2 categories only !

I have no idea what route you'd take for this, but you could get the early PB in Phendrana for Plasma, but you had to go there twice, so I don't know if it would be worth it =/

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MrSpEeDrUn: 2013-05-18 01:29:48 pm

2013-05-18 01:28:54 pm

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hm... goddammit.
guess youre forced to take that stupid backtrack... whyyyy retro....
and the same crap counts for 100%, f***

Metroid177

2013-05-19 01:55:23 pm

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This is a new route that I came up with. I got 1:11 with this route; however, I put very little optimization into it, mostly because of my lack of patience when it comes to speedruning. Someone who is better at this game should test this out.

1. Frigate
2. Frigate Escape
3. SJF
4. Missile, ball, charge, bombs
5. Varia, Wild
6. Nature, boost, wave, Sun with IS, strenght, lifegiver, IS to get pb exp. in Magma Pool
7. Ice, X-ray, chozo
8. Go to ship
9. Head to plasma via tallon elevator
10. Elder, Spirit
11. Enter Mines backwards, main pbs
12. lower mines, Phazon Suit, newborn
13. Warrior, World
14. Go to ship
15. Truth, Ridley
16. Prime

Wouldn't this route save time over the current PAL route? If climbing that second spider shaft turns out to not be possible in PAL, you could just make a small detour and get spider after the pirate labs.

MrSpEeDrUn

2013-05-20 01:00:13 am

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probably, but its defintly slower than the IS route though :/

getting the pb exp. in magma pool...
i dont know how to fit it into the route cause its really far away though....
maybe its the only way to do it.
it would skip the first phazon mines trip which would save around 2:20 more on PAL than it already saves on NTSC.

MaskedKirby

2013-05-20 05:26:19 am

Arbitrary MP2 categories only !

Quote from MrSpEeDrUn:

i dont know how to fit it into the route cause its really far away though....

Wouldn't you get it after Lifegiver, go through Arboretum to Save Station 2 near Gathering Hall. (You lose IS in a save station right, or did I miss something ???)

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2013-05-20 06:57:45 pm

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what im wondering is... is it even worth it to get ice beam early? >_>

o well looks like its
varia > wild > nature > boost > wave > sun > strength > lifegiver > early PB > ice > x-ray > ship > plasma > elder > spirit > main PB's > phazon suit > warrior > world > ship > bosses

warrior after phazon suit..... oh im really not looking forward to the spider shafts, good thing theres a save station nearby... oh wait aiwebs_012

MaskedKirby

2013-05-21 03:00:13 pm

Arbitrary MP2 categories only !

you are the one who always says that IBBF saves a lot more time in PAL than in NTSC...

MrSpEeDrUn

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2013-05-21 07:16:40 pm

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not with that route, it solves getting spirit at the right time though, and it still skips the large trip in phazon mines.
(also i probably dont have to climb the second shaft, too bad thats by far the easier one....)
oh yeah also, the savestation isnt as far away as i thought cause gladly youre getting newborn after phazon suit in any% which puts the savestation right in my way.

TakeChan

2013-05-23 08:49:44 am

I have done this, but I didn't skip the fight with thardus. I can't remember the exactly route I use but it was a SS run. Wave Beam-->boost ball-->super missile-->power bomb-->plasma-->thardus-->back to pendrana-->ice spreader--> and and-->..
At the end the time was really good, so I decided to make a full run. But I never finished it because I had broken three fingers on the right hand in sommer 2012. Maybe I try it again someday.

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the... problem.... is... x-ray.... goddammit...

btw, anybody knows what causes the doorlock in phazon mines at the entrance to disappear?...

TakeChan

2013-05-23 10:15:30 am

Ice-->X-ray-->chozo...sorry but what kind of stupid idea is that?..

MrSpEeDrUn

2013-05-23 11:07:09 am

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Quote from MrSpEeDrUn:

o well looks like its
varia > wild > nature > boost > wave > sun > strength > lifegiver > early PB > ice > x-ray > ship > plasma > elder > spirit > main PB's > phazon suit > warrior > world > ship > bosses

warrior after phazon suit..... oh im really not looking forward to the spider shafts

hmm... wouldnt it be faster to just fight thardus? i mean....

Metroid177

2013-05-24 10:44:10 am

Quote from MrSpEeDrUn:

the... problem.... is... x-ray.... goddammit...

btw, anybody knows what causes the doorlock in phazon mines at the entrance to disappear?...

How is there a problem with x-ray? Also, I'm assuming you're talking about the locked door in the PAL version that leads to ore processing. If that's what you're talking about, that lock disappears if you get grapple. We can get grapple after warrior to unlock that door.

Quote from TakeChan:

Ice-->X-ray-->chozo...sorry but what kind of stupid idea is that?..

What are you talking about?

MrSpEeDrUn

2013-05-24 07:24:36 pm

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so...... i guess fighting thardus is faster then, i mean taking the other ay around takes like 2 minutes fighting thardus doesnt, also you gain a little bit time later (god am i happy to not have to skip those goddamn spider shafts, i mean the second one is easy but the 1st one is soooo annoying.)