Pre-tourian tank hunting!

2005-04-09 01:06:55 am

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Ready and willing.

I disagree, I think it's very likely. Even (almost) everyone around here doesn't go around breaking the crap out of these games the first playthrough.

tomatobob

2005-04-09 01:19:15 am

One shall stand, one shall ball.

Yes, but I think that there are items that are easy to miss if you don't seach for them I never would have found the Screw Attack if i hadn't gone and looked for a way to go through that tunnel in the backround of the Ridley elevator, and the power Bombs are quite easy to miss, IMO.

darkarchonisme

2005-04-09 02:24:16 am

I went through my first time following all the chozo statues directions. I always play the game without looking at any guides or 1337 boards like this first.
and how the fuck do you miss powerbombs? you have to be braindead, because the easiest/intended route throught he pirate frigate shows you 3 times the pirate carrying them away into a door, just follow the guy. wtf?

gleepdiddly

2005-04-09 08:15:02 am

I remember 1 cutscene when the pirate was taking the bombs DEEPER into the chozo ruins, and you don't find them in there.

Short Circuit

2005-04-10 12:16:20 pm

lol

i played through again, and i now have 230 missiles, 14 supers, and 9 energy tanks, and all powerups, saved outside tourian.

so hmm...

Jigglysaint

2005-04-10 02:15:30 pm

You can get the supers in the Chozo ruins along with the missiles. You just need to start the spark near the entrance to the power grip room, and make sure you save the spark when you get the super missile tanks and use the ballspark to get the regular missiles.

Short Circuit

2005-04-11 05:45:39 am

but its a sorta long fall, will the shine charge last that long?

maybe its possible to get everything before tourian.... exept the power bombs though...

Jigglysaint

2005-04-11 06:04:12 pm

Well the tank in Kraid and the power bomb tanks in Norfair, and the 2 Tourian tanks are certainly off limits, but other than that, it should be quite possible to get all the tanks before fighting Mother Brain.

On a side note, I am going to try to have a little fun with the game and see if I can swap all the tanks around without manually changing them. All I would need to do is fiddle with the block data, which I just recently found. Imagine swapping Super missiles with Energy Tanks? The items would still be in the same area, but what you get would be changed.

tomatobob

2005-04-12 01:54:41 am

One shall stand, one shall ball.

Power Bombs insteaad of bombs would rock.

JaggerG

2005-04-12 02:02:38 am

Shifty Leader

That M2k2 guy

Without bombs, you probably couldn't get most of the other early items because you can't bomb jump. Unless I'm wrong and you can actually get them without bombs at all....

tomatobob

2005-04-12 02:06:38 am

One shall stand, one shall ball.

I didn't mean it for SBing purposes, more for random silliness purposes....

Jigglysaint

2005-04-12 04:49:11 pm

Well I just finished a run where I caused it to happen that the hidden tanks were all changed around. For example, all hidden power bombs became energy tanks, and all energy tanks became power bombs. All missile tanks became super missile tanks, and vice versa. With this arrangement, 4 missiles were unaccounted for, which meant a 96 percent. If I go and replace 4 out in the open super missile tanks, it would be balanced, unless you count the fact that you can now backdoor chozodia and thus screw up your game.

Short Circuit

2005-04-12 11:43:14 pm

what happens when you enter chozodia before tourian?

can you enable the unknown items, then go fight motherbrain with 98%?

Mr. Aran

2005-04-13 12:28:40 am

everybody knows it's true

Maybe its possible to grab the PB tank in Norfair if you have enough energy tanks. Anyone attempted this?

Ekarderif

2005-04-13 12:42:08 am

You can't bomb jump and wall jumping is crap.

Mr. Aran

2005-04-13 12:43:59 am

everybody knows it's true

Quote from Ekarderif:

You can't bomb jump and wall jumping is crap.

...?

tomatobob

2005-04-13 01:26:22 am

One shall stand, one shall ball.

The PB tank is under lava, and therefore the Wall jump is crap and he Bomb Jump doesn't exist.

Mr. Aran

2005-04-13 01:39:49 am

everybody knows it's true

Quote from tomatobob:

The PB tank is under lava, and therefore the Wall jump is crap

But you still might be able to reach it.

tomatobob

2005-04-13 01:47:56 am

One shall stand, one shall ball.

You'd probably die first, or if you're lucky, on the way out.

XtraX

2005-04-13 02:33:37 pm

I'm 99,`9 % sure that you can't get to the Pb tank w/ Walljumping.
Bombjumping is impossible.
You can Shinespark under Lava, but you can't Speed Boost there
(I'm 60% sure that you could get pretty far with Speed Boosting and Shinesparking....if you could Speed Boost in lava...just btw....)

Now go find Blue Suit,f00L!!1

And I don't think the lava would be a problem(unless you are playing on hard)

You can have

235 Missiles(94 on Hard) before Tourian.

You can't get: Missile Tank in Kraid,´the "Zip-Line Skip Room"
You need: Gravity Suit, Speed Booster, High Jump

-Missile Tank in Tourian
You need: to destroy mother's ugly face and come back later

-Missile Tank in Chozodia
You need:to destroy mother's ugly face. And missiles.

-9 Energy Tanks(= 549 Energy on Hard)

You can't get:
-3 Energy Tanks in Chozodia:
You need:to kill mother and some Speed-Boosting skills

You can get: 0 PBTanks before Tourian.

You cant get:
-Pb Tank in Tourian
You need: kill mother....

-6 Pb Tanks in Chozodia
You need: Kill her! Kill her!

-Pb Tank in Norfair
You need: Gravity Suit

-Pb Tank in Crateria
You need: Shinespark and Power Bombs

You can get: 14 Super Missiles (7 on Hard)

You can't get: 8 Super Missiles in Chozodia
You need: Rolling Eyes

-> 235 Missiles, 9 E-Tanks, 14 Super Missiles

I'm 99,`9 % sure that you can't get to the Pb tank w/ Walljumping.
Bombjumping is impossible.
You can Shinespark under Lava, but you can't Speed Boost there
(I'm 60% sure that you could get pretty far with Speed Boosting and Shinesparking....if you could Speed Boost in lava...just btw....)

Now go find Blue Suit,f00L!!1

And I don't think the lava would be a problem(unless you are playing on hard)

You can have

235 Missiles(94 on Hard) before Tourian.

You can't get: Missile Tank in Kraid,´the "Zip-Line Skip Room"
You need: [b]Gravity Suit[/b], Speed Booster, High Jump

-Missile Tank in Tourian
You need: to destroy mother's ugly face and come back later

-Missile Tank in Chozodia 
You need:to destroy mother's ugly face. And missiles.

-9 Energy Tanks(= 549 Energy on Hard)

You can't get:
-3 Energy Tanks in Chozodia:
You need:to kill mother and some Speed-Boosting skills

You can get: 0 PBTanks before Tourian.

You cant get: 
-Pb Tank in Tourian
You need: kill mother....

-6 Pb Tanks in Chozodia
You need: Kill her! Kill her!

-Pb Tank in Norfair
You need: [b]Gravity Suit[/b]

-Pb Tank in Crateria
You need: Shinespark and [b]Power Bombs[/b]

You can get: 14 Super Missiles (7 on Hard)

You can't get: 8 Super Missiles in Chozodia
You need:  :roll:

-> 235 Missiles, 9 E-Tanks, 14 Super Missiles

gleepdiddly

2005-04-13 02:58:51 pm

Wierd, you can get almost everything before Tourain :) Still, it would be bad for Speed Running. The reason for this is that you get most of the missiles after the 200th faster with Space jump and gravity suit and etc.

JaggerG

2005-04-13 08:34:20 pm

Shifty Leader

That M2k2 guy

wait...I thought it was IMPOSSIBLE to get the pb tank in Ridley without the grav suit simply because you can't wall jump up to it. Am I mistaken?

tomatobob

2005-04-14 02:05:37 am

One shall stand, one shall ball.

No, you are correct. If you mean the PB tank in Norfair.... The Ridley tank is impossible to get period...>_> <_<

JaggerG

2005-04-14 02:38:27 am

Shifty Leader

That M2k2 guy

...yes. As you can see, I haven't 100%ed in like a year.

tomatobob

2005-04-14 02:42:55 am

One shall stand, one shall ball.

That's OK I haven't either, I double checked before I posted.