Origin of "Ghetto" Jump

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ctrl_alt_destroy: 2014-07-15 09:16:05 pm

2014-07-15 09:10:40 pm

So, I've been watching Miles' speedruns of Prime and Prime 2 from this and last year's A/SGDQ and the same question is always brought up in the donations: why is the ghetto jump called as such?

I used to be on SCU back in its heyday, so if I'm remembering correctly it was Kip who came up with the term. Does anybody else from that era remember why he named it as such? And also, I tried checking the m2k2 website as well, but it has the "discovered by" credit going to Paratroopa. The SCU archive site lists Kip as its discoverer, so does anyone else know just how this all came to be?

SCU archive: http://www.samus.co.uk/mprime/ghetto_jump.shtml
M2K2: http://www.metroid2002.com/techniques_ghetto_jump.php

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arkarian

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arkarian: 2014-07-15 09:22:21 pm

arkarian: 2014-07-15 09:20:39 pm

2014-07-15 09:20:15 pm

red chamber dream

i imagine it's called a ghetto jump because it's a "ghetto" jump - ghetto being slang for something that is jury-rigged, contrived, or sloppily conceived ... but works

i would trust m2k2 that paratroopa discovered the technique, but i'm pretty sure kip named it:

Quote from Amasawa:

Posted: 5/21/2003 9:47:40 AM
"Ghetto jump" is the name kip started using for jumps where you get more height than usual by pushing against surfaces and then pulling away (eg the jump onto the spider block to get early plasma, or jumping out of the water in the Tower of Light wo gravity suit to get artifact of lifegiver)

from one of the old gamefaqs threads

DJGrenola

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DJGrenola: 2014-07-15 09:28:01 pm

2014-07-15 09:23:35 pm

I think it was because sometimes they seemed to give you extra height and sometimes they didn't and at first nobody entirely understood why (pushing against slopes). It was "ghetto" because of the way you'd typically have to try several times to get the desired effect. (Not much has changed in that regard.)

hi again CAD.

ctrl_alt_destroy

2014-07-15 09:33:02 pm

Quote from DJGrenola:

I think it was because sometimes they seemed to give you extra height and sometimes they didn't and at first nobody entirely understood why (pushing against slopes). It was "ghetto" because of the way you'd typically have to try several times to get the desired effect. (Not much has changed in that regard.)

hi again CAD.

Sounds exactly how the community would have named things back in the day, haha. It's good to see you too DJ.

UchihaSasuke

2014-07-16 06:02:04 pm

my umbrella goes directly to Bankai

i seem to recall someone calling it Ghetto High Jump briefly and then settling with Ghetto Jump.

my 10 year memory could be failing as usual though...

Baby Sheegoth

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Baby Sheegoth: 2014-07-16 06:38:37 pm

2014-07-16 06:37:46 pm

Holy fuck, Control_Alt_Destroy. I was just cursing your name the other day for finding out Life Grove's SW. I doubt you remember me but I went by Samus Rox on SCU and I fucking LOVED you, lmao.

Nice to see you man.

And yes, this is exactly my recollection of why it's called the Ghetto Jump too - I remember Kip saying 'because its kinda ghetto and unreliable'. (Paraphrased of course).

@Uchicha: IIRC, it was between 'Ghetto Jump' and 'High Jump'. And Ghetto Jump was picked because it was simply more interesting, and there was already an item named High Jump.

Andrew Mills

2014-07-23 03:55:35 am

Strategy Guide Writer

Quote from arkarian:

i imagine it's called a ghetto jump because it's a "ghetto" jump - ghetto being slang for something that is jury-rigged, contrived, or sloppily conceived ... but works

i would trust m2k2 that paratroopa discovered the technique, but i'm pretty sure kip named it:

Quote from Amasawa:

Posted: 5/21/2003 9:47:40 AM
"Ghetto jump" is the name kip started using for jumps where you get more height than usual by pushing against surfaces and then pulling away (eg the jump onto the spider block to get early plasma, or jumping out of the water in the Tower of Light wo gravity suit to get artifact of lifegiver)

from one of the old gamefaqs threads

I'm pretty sure this is correct:

http://www.samus.co.uk/mprime/lifegiver_wo_gravity.shtml

Oh and I'll jump in on this SCU love-in; hi CAD! Hope you're doing well! Very Happy

Baby Sheegoth

2014-07-26 01:44:14 am

Quote from Andrew Mills:

Quote from arkarian:

i imagine it's called a ghetto jump because it's a "ghetto" jump - ghetto being slang for something that is jury-rigged, contrived, or sloppily conceived ... but works

i would trust m2k2 that paratroopa discovered the technique, but i'm pretty sure kip named it:

Quote from Amasawa:

Posted: 5/21/2003 9:47:40 AM
"Ghetto jump" is the name kip started using for jumps where you get more height than usual by pushing against surfaces and then pulling away (eg the jump onto the spider block to get early plasma, or jumping out of the water in the Tower of Light wo gravity suit to get artifact of lifegiver)

from one of the old gamefaqs threads

I'm pretty sure this is correct:

http://www.samus.co.uk/mprime/lifegiver_wo_gravity.shtml

Oh and I'll jump in on this SCU love-in; hi CAD! Hope you're doing well! Very Happy

Holy actual FUCK it's Andrew Mills. Hello there. Thank you for shaping a massive part of my childhood.

[quote="Andrew Mills"][quote="arkarian"]i imagine it's called a ghetto jump because it's a "ghetto" jump - ghetto being slang for something that is jury-rigged, contrived, or sloppily conceived ... but works

i would trust m2k2 that paratroopa discovered the technique, but i'm pretty sure kip named it:

[quote="Amasawa"]
Posted: 5/21/2003 9:47:40 AM
"Ghetto jump" is the name kip started using for jumps where you get more height than usual by pushing against surfaces and then pulling away (eg the jump onto the spider block to get early plasma, or jumping out of the water in the Tower of Light wo gravity suit to get artifact of lifegiver)[/quote]
from one of the old [url=http://www.metroid2002.com/sequence_breaking_topics_V1.0.php]gamefaqs threads[/url][/quote]
I'm pretty sure this is correct:

http://www.samus.co.uk/mprime/lifegiver_wo_gravity.shtml

Oh and I'll jump in on this SCU love-in; hi CAD! Hope you're doing well! :veryhappy_orig:[/quote]

Holy actual FUCK it's Andrew Mills. Hello there. Thank you for shaping a massive part of my childhood.

nate

2015-05-20 04:07:37 pm

massive necro ...

kip said he thought it wasn't a great name, but it was a better name than wall jump. wall jump already had a different meaning from super metroid, for the wall jump in that game. and this jump was not great or beautiful like the super metroid wall jump, so he thought it shouldn't be called wall jumping. the next part my memory is less clear about ... but i think he said that people were saying "wall jumping, wall jumping", and he was like "no no no it's not wall jumping like in super, it's just ghetto jumping", ghetto being (san francisco bay area?) slang for uncontrolled, unplanned, inelegant. that's what he said when someone asked him why it's called the ghetto jump.

i think it was unclear for a long time (relatively speaking) what was causing the effect. so for people doing it, it was really ad hoc or "ghetto". this is essentially the point grenola made in this thread. you can see another example of kip talking about "ghetto jumping" in his 2/9/2003 1:49:26 AM post in one of the old gamefaqs sequence breaking topics. he was going through the underwater frigate without gravity for the first time there. so looking back today we know that he was using what we call the ghetto jump technique, but for him at the time it was just "a series of super ghetto jumps".

i also seem to remember someone posting like um i'm jewish and this name offends me. and people were like sry. i think kip actually cared enough to try to think of a different name briefly but of course that never went anywhere. by that time the ghetto jump was here to stay.

massive necro ...

kip said he thought it wasn't a great name, but it was a better name than wall jump. wall jump already had a different meaning from super metroid, for the wall jump in that game. and this jump was not great or beautiful like the super metroid wall jump, so he thought it shouldn't be called wall jumping. the next part my memory is less clear about ... but i think he said that people were saying "wall jumping, wall jumping", and he was like "no no no it's not wall jumping like in super, it's just ghetto jumping", ghetto being (san francisco bay area?) slang for uncontrolled, unplanned, inelegant. that's what he said when someone asked him why it's called the ghetto jump.

i think it was unclear for a long time (relatively speaking) what was causing the effect. so for people doing it, it was really ad hoc or "ghetto". this is essentially the point grenola made in this thread. you can see another example of kip talking about "ghetto jumping" in his 2/9/2003 1:49:26 AM post in [url=http://www.metroid2002.com/sequence_breaking_topics_tbj_V4.0.php]one of the old gamefaqs sequence breaking topics[/url]. he was going through the underwater frigate without gravity for the first time there. so looking back today we know that he was using what we call the ghetto jump technique, but for him at the time it was just "a series of super ghetto jumps".

i also seem to remember someone posting like um i'm jewish and this name offends me. and people were like sry. i think kip actually cared enough to try to think of a different name briefly but of course that never went anywhere. by that time the ghetto jump was here to stay.

Aruki

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Aruki: 2015-05-20 05:00:40 pm

2015-05-20 05:00:15 pm

I think now that we know more about it it might be more accurate/less confusing/less potentially offensive (?) to call it "slope jumping" maybe, but by this point ghetto jump's stuck for 12 years so I'm not sure anyone wants to change it.

also holy shit nate posted! hi nate!