One of Nesvideos finest TAS is done!! JXQ's 100% run!

2006-04-19 11:23:09 pm

Quote from MonsterERB:

If someone who knows the clock time is willing to tell me, but doesn't want to spoil it for everyone else, just send me a PM.

Who watches these things entirely for tips and tricks for how to improve their own times?

Though MERB is right, a .avi is warranted...

nate

2006-04-19 11:36:38 pm

Quote from MonsterERB:

[...] it will be useless to me, as I would have zero chance to incorporate any of these tricks into any run I could do on my SNES.

don't be so sure. i have it on good authority that tases can indeed be useful sometimes.

Baxter

2006-04-20 03:55:40 am

Quote from nate:

[defends tas for the rest of his post]

Sorry if it seemed that way, this wasn't my intention.

MonsterERB

2006-04-20 11:28:35 am

Quote from nate:

Quote from MonsterERB:

[...] it will be useless to me, as I would have zero chance to incorporate any of these tricks into any run I could do on my SNES.

don't be so sure. i have it on good authority that tases can indeed be useful sometimes.

Well, if this TAS gets released as an .avi/.mpg, I'll watch it. Maybe I will see something I could replicate on the console... a new route, a cool trick, something. Plus, I'm sure the run will be entertaining in its own way - the "OMG how did you do that?" factor will be quite high.
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Quick question for nate - notice your earlier post in this topic, where you thank me for being quite siggable? There is no quote from Monster in your sig for that post. Later in the topic, and in all your later posts, my quote about re-records appears in your sig. Is this a case of the "quoting borked" going on? I was under the impression that changing your sig text in your profile should change the sig text for ALL existing posts, not just the ones made from that point on.

[quote="nate"][quote="MonsterERB"][...] it will be useless to me, as I would have zero chance to incorporate any of these tricks into any run I could do on my SNES.[/quote]
don't be so sure. i have it on good authority that tases can indeed be useful sometimes.[/quote]
Well, if this TAS gets released as an .avi/.mpg, I'll watch it.  Maybe I will see something I could replicate on the console... a new route, a cool trick, something.  Plus, I'm sure the run will be entertaining in its own way - the "OMG how did you do that?" factor will be quite high.
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Quick question for nate - notice your earlier post in this topic, where you thank me for being quite siggable?  There is no quote from Monster in your sig for that post.  Later in the topic, and in all your later posts, my quote about re-records appears in your sig.  Is this a case of the "quoting borked" going on?  I was under the impression that changing your sig text in your profile should change the sig text for ALL existing posts, not just the ones made from that point on.

AngerFist

2006-04-20 11:53:13 am

Here is the avi: http://bisqwit.iki.fi/nesvideos/movies.cgi?id=528 Wink

Dragonfangs

2006-04-20 12:07:49 pm

Quote from MonsterERB:

Quick question for nate - notice your earlier post in this topic, where you thank me for being quite siggable? There is no quote from Monster in your sig for that post. Later in the topic, and in all your later posts, my quote about re-records appears in your sig. Is this a case of the "quoting borked" going on? I was under the impression that changing your sig text in your profile should change the sig text for ALL existing posts, not just the ones made from that point on.

If you have no signature, "Attach signature" is automatically unchecked on every post made while not having a sig. This stays for those posts even after you do (re-)acquire a signature.

Chanoire

2006-04-20 02:08:16 pm

Quote from Baxter:

Quote from nate:

[defends tas for the rest of his post]

Sorry if it seemed that way, this wasn't my intention.

I don't see it myself; you just commented on the nature of rerecords and how if the goal is to make something technically perfect then there's little point in cutting corners to make it happen. If you were claiming that the amount of effort is the measure of skill I could sort of see where Nate was coming from, but you said just the opposite in your first sentence. Possibly he saw you as arguing with Monster, but that first sentence also indicates that you are not.

Ryan Ferneau

2006-04-20 02:30:13 pm

Yeah, people tend to praise a high re-record count as a sign of long, hard work. But it doesn't guarantee quality, so I generally ignore it.

kwinse

2006-04-20 02:34:58 pm

Am I just that easily ignored? Ah well. *downloads the .avi*

JXQ

2006-04-22 01:12:57 pm

Although I swore I'd never register for these forums, the opportunity for self-amusement is too great. Please keep in mind that I'm not trying to offend anyone; rather, I'd like to share with you how the posts on this thread have come across to me. So without further ado, my first and last post on M2K2:

Angerfist: Check out the new Super Metroid 100% TAS!

MonsterERB: Could someone tell me the time? Also, TASing is stupid because there are re-records. Nevermind the fact that our runs here are often segmented.

Angerfist: It's a surprise - watch the run to see the time.

MonsterERB: I would never be caught dead watching a TAS. I think they are stupid. I won't watch movies on an emulator because I like playing Super Metroid on an SNES (nevermind that I'd be watching this run, not playing it). I can't believe you asked me to watch the run instead of just answering my question. All I did was post in a forum about it, showing slight interest. I still think re-records make TASing stupid.

Baxter: This topic wasn't made to argue about TASing vs. console running. Re-records are used in TASing to correct mistakes, not as a necessary measure of "skill". The two aren't directly comparable (because doing so it what makes console runners so mad in the first place).

MonsterERB: I don't want to debate either. I just wanted to know the final time, but not bad enough to actually watch the run myself.

Nate: Baxter, stop arguing, although you aren't. MonsterERB, continue arguing. I'll copy your argument to my signature to further the double standard of this website, which will cause more people to leave. I've also added a section to the rules that states "If you are as closed-minded as the administration about TASing, many of the site's rules no longer apply to you." Feels good to get that out in the open.

MonsterERB: On second thought, I've changed my mind about being caught dead watching a TAS.

JXQ: This post.

Nate: Deletes JXQ's post. Changes topic name to "Super Metroid 100% Emulation Rape". Deletes entire topic anyway. Adds quote to his signature about how TASing is stupid. Bans JXQ. Four people care.

If I offended anyone, I'm sorry, unless it was Nate. Also, BlueGlass, I responded to your ideas for improvements in the thread for this run on Bisqwit's site, which can be found here (specifically, on the fourth page). I encourage comments (good or bad) about the run, and if anyone else has any questions, feel free to post them there.

Although I swore I'd never register for these forums, the opportunity for self-amusement is too great.  Please keep in mind that I'm not trying to offend anyone; rather, I'd like to share with you how the posts on this thread have come across to me.  So without further ado, my first and last post on M2K2:

[b]Angerfist[/b]: Check out the new Super Metroid 100% TAS!

[b]MonsterERB[/b]: Could someone tell me the time?  Also, TASing is stupid because there are re-records.  Nevermind the fact that our runs here are often segmented.

[b]Angerfist[/b]: It's a surprise - watch the run to see the time.

[b]MonsterERB[/b]: I would never be caught dead watching a TAS.  I think they are stupid.  I won't watch movies on an emulator because I like playing Super Metroid on an SNES (nevermind that I'd be watching this run, not playing it).  I can't believe you asked me to watch the run instead of just answering my question.  All I did was post in a forum about it, showing slight interest.  I still think re-records make TASing stupid.

[b]Baxter[/b]: This topic wasn't made to argue about TASing vs. console running.  Re-records are used in TASing to correct mistakes, not as a necessary measure of "skill".  The two aren't directly comparable (because doing so it what makes console runners so mad in the first place).

[b]MonsterERB[/b]: I don't want to debate either.  I just wanted to know the final time, but not bad enough to actually watch the run myself.

[b]Nate[/b]: Baxter, stop arguing, although you aren't.  MonsterERB, continue arguing.  I'll copy your argument to my signature to further the double standard of this website, which will cause more people to leave.  I've also added a section to the rules that states "If you are as closed-minded as the administration about TASing, many of the site's rules no longer apply to you."  Feels good to get that out in the open.

[b]MonsterERB[/b]: On second thought, I've changed my mind about being caught dead watching a TAS.

[b]JXQ[/b]: This post.

[b]Nate[/b]: Deletes JXQ's post.  Changes topic name to "Super Metroid 100% Emulation Rape".  Deletes entire topic anyway.  Adds quote to his signature about how TASing is stupid.  Bans JXQ.  Four people care.

If I offended anyone, I'm sorry, unless it was Nate.  Also, BlueGlass, I responded to your ideas for improvements in the thread for this run on Bisqwit's site, which can be found [url=http://bisqwit.iki.fi/nesvideos/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3679]here[/url] (specifically, on the fourth page).  I encourage comments (good or bad) about the run, and if anyone else has any questions, feel free to post them there.

DJGrenola

2006-04-22 01:57:14 pm

Quote from JXQ:

I'm not trying to offend anyone

liar.

although I'm firmly of the opinion that no matter which side of the fence you're on, TAS hatred is a waste of time - it's never going to go away.

'course it would help if the two factions weren't permanently baiting one another.

13M13

2006-04-22 02:03:44 pm

l'appel du vide

Feel better, JXQ?

I mean, come on, despite the (odd) reactions of some, how is your response helpful?

Ryan Ferneau

2006-04-22 02:49:37 pm

It helped me out a lot! :)

SABERinBLUE

2006-04-22 03:42:34 pm

Cook of the Sea

His response is a pretty damn accurate description of the thread thus far, minus the last part.

It is not the staffers' business to try to prevent arguments before they erupt. Baxter, there was nothing wrong with your post and nate was in error to respond to it as he did.

JXQ, I am sincerely sorry that actions taken and words spoken by certain member(s) of the staff of this site now and in the past have given you a negative impression of it. It is my great regret that I cannot in good faith refute this impression you have of m2k2 to any degree other than to say that the attitudes expressed by the certain member(s) of the staff do not reflect upon the site as a whole. I for one have no quarrel whatsoever with tas, and attitudes on this site toward tas can be in general described as "interested or not interested".

Oh hell, I might as well come out and say it, no point beating around the bush when everyone knows what I'm really trying to say here. Nate hates you guys but no one else here does and we can't see why he does in the first place. He's agreed not to mess with you and we'd love to have you around. tas fascinates me especially and I always like a good one. You guys rock; keep doing what you do and do it well. Go go go.

His response is a pretty damn accurate description of the thread thus far, minus the last part.

It is not the staffers' business to try to prevent arguments before they erupt.  Baxter, there was nothing wrong with your post and nate was in error to respond to it as he did.

JXQ, I am sincerely sorry that actions taken and words spoken by certain member(s) of the staff of this site now and in the past have given you a negative impression of it.  It is my great regret that I cannot in good faith refute this impression you have of m2k2 to any degree other than to say that the attitudes expressed by the certain member(s) of the staff do not reflect upon the site as a whole.  I for one have no quarrel whatsoever with tas, and attitudes on this site toward tas can be in general described as "interested or not interested".

Oh hell, I might as well come out and say it, no point beating around the bush when everyone knows what I'm really trying to say here.  Nate hates you guys but [i]no one else here does[/i] and we can't see why he does in the first place.  He's agreed not to mess with you and we'd love to have you around.  tas fascinates me especially and I always like a good one.  You guys rock; keep doing what you do and do it well.  Go go go.

Chanoire

2006-04-22 03:57:52 pm

Oh, good grief. Self-fulfilling prophecy. "Nate's said any debate about this will be deleted, so I'm going to post a big flame about it. Then he'll delete it and prove my opinion of him as a closeminded bastard; if he leaves it up he's a hypocrite." Rolling Eyes

And talk about missing the point. I wouldn't mind watching it myself, but, like Monster, I have no interest in installing an emulator on my comp and ripping the ROM from my cart. Ditto with torrents. So it will be a while before I watch it. It's surely entertaining, just not worth the trouble at this particular point in time. And what is wrong with wanting to know a bit of information without going to a considerable amount of trouble to acquire it? (I realize the time is all over the nesvideo pages, but only because I looked to see about downloading the .avi before I saw that it was a torrent.) It's somewhat insulting to get an answer of "No, you have to install such-and-such and spend x amount of time downloading it so you can find out yourself, because I'm not going to type four characters."

You see insult in Monster's post because you expect it to be there. (Nate sees defense in Baxter's post because he expects it to be there.) But the "no, you can't have any info unless you gain it the way I think you should" posts really don't help things, since they turned the issue into whether or not one approves of TASs, not whether or not it's much effort to watch the vid.

Oh, good grief.  Self-fulfilling prophecy.  "Nate's said any debate about this will be deleted, so I'm going to post a big flame about it.  Then he'll delete it and prove my opinion of him as a closeminded bastard; if he leaves it up he's a hypocrite."  :roll:  And talk about missing the point.  I wouldn't mind watching it myself, but, like Monster, I have no interest in installing an emulator on my comp and ripping the ROM from my cart.  Ditto with torrents.  So it will be a while before I watch it.  It's surely entertaining, just not worth the trouble at this particular point in time.  And what is wrong with wanting to know a bit of information without going to a considerable amount of trouble to acquire it?  (I realize the time is all over the nesvideo pages, but only because I looked to see about downloading the .avi before I saw that it was a torrent.)  It's somewhat insulting to get an answer of "No, you have to install such-and-such and spend x amount of time downloading it so you can find out yourself, because I'm not going to type four characters."

You see insult in Monster's post because you expect it to be there.  (Nate sees defense in Baxter's post because he expects it to be there.)  But the "no, you can't have any info unless you gain it the way I think you should" posts really don't help things, since they turned the issue into whether or not one approves of TASs, not whether or not it's much effort to watch the vid.

AngerFist

2006-04-22 04:11:24 pm

Quote from JXQ:

Angerfist: Check out the new Super Metroid 100% TAS!

You b-a-s-t-a-r-d for a second I thought you submitted a new run!

Quote from Chanoire:

It's somewhat insulting to get an answer of "No, you have to install such-and-such

No its certainly not, stop exaggerating and relax. Besides, I never told him to download the emu+ROM. He wanted a avi link and I gave him, simple as that.

I like SABERinBLUE :-) Its not for he is defending JXQ or the tas concept, its because he is relaxed and cool. You have soooo many greater things to think of and take care of rather than arguing about this. In a few years, we all be laughing at ourselves for what we used to argue about. Everyone just have a coke and a smile and shut the hell up and enjoy the run or simply dont watch it Wink

moozooh

2006-04-22 04:12:49 pm

Quote from Chanoire:

"Nate's said any debate about this will be deleted, so I'm going to post a big flame about it. Then he'll delete it and prove my opinion of him as a closeminded kraid; if he leaves it up he's a hypocrite."

[...]

You see insult in Monster's post because you expect it to be there. (Nate sees defense in Baxter's post because he expects it to be there.)

Guess what? You see a flame in JXQ's post because you expect to see it there. :)

Also, it's not hard to get both the ROM and the emulator in about five minutes (plus another minute to download them).
Anyway, that's not the point.

Ryan Ferneau

2006-04-22 04:20:44 pm

I just don't get why people find some arbitrary number the game gives you more interesting than playing the game itself...

Sigfriedxx

2006-04-22 04:26:31 pm

Gotta say, Finally saw the vid, and every time I was expecting the usual move i was WOWed and OMGed, especially on phantoon and Draygon, friggin amazing TAS. I love seeing things like a "perfect" run demo

Chanoire

2006-04-22 04:29:20 pm

I really don't think his projection of Nate's response to his post could be read as anything other than a flame.

The time to download the emu and ROM is not the issue. Downloading the ROM is not an option for me, and there would certainly be some hassle in ripping it myself, not least being getting it from the cart copier to my disk-drive-less computer. I also really don't like installing new stuff on my computer, which is cluttered up enough already.

The .avi was not mentioned as being available at the time of Monster's request. Whether it was or not, it's still time to download + time to watch. I can't speak for Monster but I not infrequently post on this board from work, where I am certainly not doing either downloading or watching.

DJGrenola

2006-04-22 04:31:42 pm

Quote from moozooh:

Guess what? You see a flame in JXQ's post because you expect to see it there. :)

JXQ's post was a blatant troll, you know it, I know it, and he knows it. He even said so when he spoke about self-amusement.

Would have been nice if he'd had the bollocks to actually say "this is a wind-up because I thought it would be funny" than some cowardly disclaimer about "not trying to offend anyone".

There are some of us here who thoroughly dislike the TAS/anti-TAS conflict, hate the way it reflects badly on everyone, and wish to defuse it as quickly as possible. Posting stuff like this is making our job significantly harder.

For the record, I've never played super, have never watched a run of it, TAS or otherwise, and am more or less neutral as far as the TAS phenomenon goes.

Ryan Ferneau

2006-04-22 04:38:43 pm

Quote from Chanoire:

The time to download the emu and ROM is not the issue. Downloading the ROM is not an option for me, and there would certainly be some hassle in ripping it myself, not least being getting it from the cart copier to my disk-drive-less computer. I also really don't like installing new stuff on my computer, which is cluttered up enough already.

The .avi was not mentioned as being available at the time of Monster's request. Whether it was or not, it's still time to download + time to watch. I can't speak for Monster but I not infrequently post on this board from work, where I am certainly not doing either downloading or watching.

Well don't take it out on everybody else just because you have a crummy computer/Internet connection!

SABERinBLUE

2006-04-22 04:46:51 pm

Cook of the Sea

Quote from Ryan Ferneau:

Well don't take it out on everybody else just because you have a crummy computer/Internet connection!

I dunno where you're getting that from, really. I'm not going to speak for Chan as such but I do know that she has moral objections to downloading ROMs.

moozooh

2006-04-22 04:48:00 pm

Quote from DJGrenola:

JXQ's post was a blatant troll, you know it, I know it, and he knows it. He even said so when he spoke about self-amusement.

Wow, that much blatant? o_0
And I thought his words were based on some real and solid basis which everyone here (I guess) knew and understood (and which caused some of the senior members to leave the forum)... I was wrong then. Sorry.

Quote from DJGrenola:

Would have been nice if he'd had the bollocks to actually say "this is a wind-up because I thought it would be funny" than some cowardly disclaimer about "not trying to offend anyone".

Yeah, because he did it to amuse himself, not to offend anyone. See the difference?
In other words, if one wants himself offended, that is his right. And apparently, that is his fault, and his problem. Simple as that.

Quote from DJGrenola:

There are some of us here who thoroughly dislike the TAS/anti-TAS conflict, hate the way it reflects badly on everyone, and wish to defuse it as quickly as possible. Posting stuff like this is making our job significantly harder.

It merely shows that the roots of the conflict are not dealt with yet. Which is sad.

[quote="DJGrenola"]JXQ's post was a blatant troll, you know it, I know it, and he knows it. He even said so when he spoke about self-amusement.[/quote]
Wow, that much blatant? o_0
And I thought his words were based on some real and solid basis which everyone here (I guess) knew and understood (and which caused some of the senior members to leave the forum)... I was wrong then. Sorry.

[quote="DJGrenola"]Would have been nice if he'd had the bollocks to actually say "this is a wind-up because I thought it would be funny" than some cowardly disclaimer about "not trying to offend anyone".[/quote]
Yeah, because he did it to [i]amuse himself[/i], not to [i]offend anyone[/i]. See the difference?
In other words, if one wants himself offended, that is his right. And apparently, that is his fault, and his problem. Simple as that.

[quote="DJGrenola"]There are some of us here who thoroughly dislike the TAS/anti-TAS conflict, hate the way it reflects badly on everyone, and wish to defuse it as quickly as possible. Posting stuff like this is making our job significantly harder.[/quote]
It merely shows that the roots of the conflict are not dealt with yet. Which is sad.

DJGrenola

2006-04-22 04:53:06 pm

Quote from Ryan Ferneau:

Quote from Chanoire:

The time to download the emu and ROM is not the issue. Downloading the ROM is not an option for me, and there would certainly be some hassle in ripping it myself, not least being getting it from the cart copier to my disk-drive-less computer. I also really don't like installing new stuff on my computer, which is cluttered up enough already.

The .avi was not mentioned as being available at the time of Monster's request. Whether it was or not, it's still time to download + time to watch. I can't speak for Monster but I not infrequently post on this board from work, where I am certainly not doing either downloading or watching.

Well don't take it out on everybody else just because you have a crummy computer/Internet connection!

I don't see how defending a perfectly reasonable request to know the final time of a run because someone simply does not have the time to install an emulator or leech an avi qualifies as "taking it out on everybody else". As for downloading a ROM, the legal status of doing that is questionable at best, and you know it. Not everyone is morally bankrupt as far as that issue goes. I'd do it without a second thought, but then I'm a scumbag. Of everyone on this board, I think Chanoire is the one least likely to.

This is tacky, and even trying to be reasonable in the face of what seems to be "Troll M2K2 Saturday" is a game I really shouldn't be playing.

[quote="Ryan Ferneau"][quote="Chanoire"]The time to download the emu and ROM is not the issue.  Downloading the ROM is not an option for me, and there would certainly be some hassle in ripping it myself, not least being getting it from the cart copier to my disk-drive-less computer.  I also really don't like installing new stuff on my computer, which is cluttered up enough already.

The .avi was not mentioned as being available at the time of Monster's request.  Whether it was or not, it's still time to download + time to watch.  I can't speak for Monster but I not infrequently post on this board from work, where I am certainly not doing either downloading or watching.[/quote]

Well don't take it out on everybody else just because you have a crummy computer/Internet connection![/quote]

I don't see how defending a perfectly reasonable request to know the final time of a run because someone simply does not have the time to install an emulator or leech an avi qualifies as "taking it out on everybody else". As for downloading a ROM, the legal status of doing that is questionable at best, and you know it. Not everyone is morally bankrupt as far as that issue goes. I'd do it without a second thought, but then I'm a scumbag. Of everyone on this board, I think Chanoire is the one least likely to.

This is tacky, and even trying to be reasonable in the face of what seems to be "Troll M2K2 Saturday" is a game I really shouldn't be playing.