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Um... there's no link to it from the main page, but there is from the individual sections? :-s
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I'm quickly skimming most of the pages right now and I noticed a relatively minor spelling error: Also is spelled alsp in the beginnng of the last note on the Bryyo Turret Skip page.
If I see anything else I'll let you guys know.
Edit: Everything else I looked at seems good.
But I do have one question about the setup. I noticed the individual category description pages (Like the Hazard Shield Skip) but the only way to access them is from one of the pages in that category. Wouldn't it be better if there was a way to access those from both the other sections and the main Corruption page? Because it seems like you could miss them pretty easily if you don't know you can click on the category name on the individual pages. (I didn't see them for a little while.)
Hopefully you know what I am talking about.
If I see anything else I'll let you guys know.
Edit: Everything else I looked at seems good.
But I do have one question about the setup. I noticed the individual category description pages (Like the Hazard Shield Skip) but the only way to access them is from one of the pages in that category. Wouldn't it be better if there was a way to access those from both the other sections and the main Corruption page? Because it seems like you could miss them pretty easily if you don't know you can click on the category name on the individual pages. (I didn't see them for a little while.)
Hopefully you know what I am talking about.
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I'm quickly skimming most of the pages right now and I noticed a relatively minor spelling error: Also is spelled alsp in the beginnng of the last note on the Bryyo Turret Skip page.
If I see anything else I'll let you guys know.
Edit: Everything else I looked at seems good.
But I do have one question about the setup. I noticed the individual category description pages (Like the Hazard Shield Skip) but the only way to access them is from one of the pages in that category. Wouldn't it be better if there was a way to access those from both the other sections and the main Corruption page? Because it seems like you could miss them pretty easily if you don't know you can click on the category name on the individual pages. (I didn't see them for a little while.)
Hopefully you know what I am talking about.
If I see anything else I'll let you guys know.
Edit: Everything else I looked at seems good.
But I do have one question about the setup. I noticed the individual category description pages (Like the Hazard Shield Skip) but the only way to access them is from one of the pages in that category. Wouldn't it be better if there was a way to access those from both the other sections and the main Corruption page? Because it seems like you could miss them pretty easily if you don't know you can click on the category name on the individual pages. (I didn't see them for a little while.)
Hopefully you know what I am talking about.
fixed, and yeah we do, but we don't know how to go about doing that. how else would you get to them?
I'm not quite sure either, because clicking on the category name in the menu expands it, so they couldn't be put there instead.
I'm guessing there's no way you can have two separate types of links under a category in the menu right? That way you could have a larger/bolder link come first and have that be the info page, but still have the individual pages listed the way they are now afterwards. You'd still be able to access the info page, but not have it always come up if you're trying to look at items in the category it describes. (As in having the links for the individual pages come up only when you're on the info page like some other websites do. That'd get annoying real fast if you're constantly viewing a single page and would have to go through the info one each time.)
I can't think of any other good way of doing it better than it is now though.
I'm guessing there's no way you can have two separate types of links under a category in the menu right? That way you could have a larger/bolder link come first and have that be the info page, but still have the individual pages listed the way they are now afterwards. You'd still be able to access the info page, but not have it always come up if you're trying to look at items in the category it describes. (As in having the links for the individual pages come up only when you're on the info page like some other websites do. That'd get annoying real fast if you're constantly viewing a single page and would have to go through the info one each time.)
I can't think of any other good way of doing it better than it is now though.
red chamber dream
I still don't get why the Aurora Chamber Energy Cell Skip is in the "Other" section. Wouldn't it fit better under a heading such as "Skipping Energy Cells"?
And again, let me point you to this:
Aurora Chamber : A faster way to traverse the room during either the Energy Cell skips or a 100% run. Upon entering the chamber, immediately turn right and Screw Attack toward the elevator platform. You will be able to land on the platform, but once you crash and fall into the abyss you will respawn on the large platform before it. Then you can turn and perform Paraxade's Energy Cell skip (Video) SA from this platform instead.
And again, let me point you to this:
Aurora Chamber : A faster way to traverse the room during either the Energy Cell skips or a 100% run. Upon entering the chamber, immediately turn right and Screw Attack toward the elevator platform. You will be able to land on the platform, but once you crash and fall into the abyss you will respawn on the large platform before it. Then you can turn and perform Paraxade's Energy Cell skip (Video) SA from this platform instead.
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I still don't get why the Aurora Chamber Energy Cell Skip is in the "Other" section. Wouldn't it fit better under a heading such as "Skipping Energy Cells"?
And again, let me point you to this:
Aurora Chamber : A faster way to traverse the room during either the Energy Cell skips or a 100% run. Upon entering the chamber, immediately turn right and Screw Attack toward the elevator platform. You will be able to land on the platform, but once you crash and fall into the abyss you will respawn on the large platform before it. Then you can turn and perform Paraxade's Energy Cell skip (Video) SA from this platform instead.
And again, let me point you to this:
Aurora Chamber : A faster way to traverse the room during either the Energy Cell skips or a 100% run. Upon entering the chamber, immediately turn right and Screw Attack toward the elevator platform. You will be able to land on the platform, but once you crash and fall into the abyss you will respawn on the large platform before it. Then you can turn and perform Paraxade's Energy Cell skip (Video) SA from this platform instead.
personally I think the main info pages are fine as it is, as long as you know they can be clicked. I don't think we mentioned they were in the pre-release topic. It does take an extra click to get to them, but I don't think it's a big deal. It's not something you're going to read often, if even more than once. They're meant more for new readers and stuff like that.. people that might browse through it and not know what a secret world is.
That said, it'd be nice to add stuff in there that experienced people could make use of, just not sure what that is yet. One thing I was thinking about for the early item/expansion pages was talking a bit about each item, why you would get them.. if it's a 100% time saver, just for fun or whatever.
About the energy cell thing, I don't really have an opinion on it, not sure about nate. If people want a skipping cells section we can do it. I was going to do it at first anyway, but that was shortly before the pre-release when I thought you needed to SB to skip the metroid processing cell (I'd even made the vids for it). So I just thought it'd be weird to give a whole section to one trick.
It's true that there's only one early tank/ship missile right now, but the expectation is that there will be more later. But it's pretty hard to see any more cell skipping outside of some specifically placed valhalla SWs. Like I said though, whatever you guys want. I just don't want to change it and then suddenly people come out of nowhere that prefer it as an other but never said anything before.
Any other comment/criticism/suggestion welcome.. you guys were pretty quiet in the other topic.
That said, it'd be nice to add stuff in there that experienced people could make use of, just not sure what that is yet. One thing I was thinking about for the early item/expansion pages was talking a bit about each item, why you would get them.. if it's a 100% time saver, just for fun or whatever.
About the energy cell thing, I don't really have an opinion on it, not sure about nate. If people want a skipping cells section we can do it. I was going to do it at first anyway, but that was shortly before the pre-release when I thought you needed to SB to skip the metroid processing cell (I'd even made the vids for it). So I just thought it'd be weird to give a whole section to one trick.
It's true that there's only one early tank/ship missile right now, but the expectation is that there will be more later. But it's pretty hard to see any more cell skipping outside of some specifically placed valhalla SWs. Like I said though, whatever you guys want. I just don't want to change it and then suddenly people come out of nowhere that prefer it as an other but never said anything before.
Any other comment/criticism/suggestion welcome.. you guys were pretty quiet in the other topic.
red chamber dream
Well the main issue I have is that Energy Cells count toward a percent and should certainly get their own section, like every other skippable item.
The problem here is that you don't skip E-Cells in the same manner that you skip other items-- you can skip any two of them to do the Aurora Chamber skip, so titling the section would be difficult, as you can't just say "Skipping Energy Cells 1 and 2": you'd need to make sure the viewer knows they can skip any two Energy Cells for that particular trick.
The problem here is that you don't skip E-Cells in the same manner that you skip other items-- you can skip any two of them to do the Aurora Chamber skip, so titling the section would be difficult, as you can't just say "Skipping Energy Cells 1 and 2": you'd need to make sure the viewer knows they can skip any two Energy Cells for that particular trick.
yeah, it is inconsistent for it to be in other. I never really think of cells as a main item, that's probably why, but it's still %. If there was a main item you only needed one thing to skip, I'd want a section for it anyway. (LOL GRAV SUIT?)
so nate if you want to change it, it should probably go right above hazard shield since that was the order.
so nate if you want to change it, it should probably go right above hazard shield since that was the order.
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personally I think the main info pages are fine as it is, as long as you know they can be clicked. I don't think we mentioned they were in the pre-release topic. It does take an extra click to get to them, but I don't think it's a big deal. It's not something you're going to read often, if even more than once. They're meant more for new readers and stuff like that.. people that might browse through it and not know what a secret world is.
Good point. If that's the case, why not a simple note somewhere that mentions they can be clicked on for more general information? (Like in the main page's description that's above the NEWS piece?)
And on the topic of the "Other" section: Looking at the Prime and Echoes ones, it seems that for the most part those are relatively minor tricks or funny occurances while playing. The Energy Cell skip and the Bryyo One Turret trick seem far more important for runners in my opinion. (Plus, I've always seen the Energy Cells on the same level that the Artifacts and Temple Keys are if that helps, as they have their own pages within the sections.) I'm not sure what we'd do with the turret trick, but there is more than one Energy Cell trick anyway - The one in the Valhalla that lets gets you up to the missile expansion by skipping inputing two cells. Although, that already has a page in the early missile section, so maybe that's a bad example.
Though, now that I looked at the Echoes one again, I noticed that the tricks for skipping the return of Aether's energy are located there, and I'd count those as being as important as the Turret trick, so maybe it should stay there. But the Energy Cells do need a separate section in my opinion.
Yeah, I agree about the energy cell thing now. To bring up an unresolved issue from the other topic.. I want to know how people feel about the second berserker lord skip. Right now, if you go to the chozo obs SW page, you can see both are explained on the same page. Even before pre-release I didn't like it, but I wasn't sure what to do.
The first thought is splitting them so the berserker lord skip gets its own page. That would slim down the chozo obs page to a few sentences, since it would start off with a link to the berserker lord skip to explain all the turbine chamber stuff.
I'm not sure where the berserker trick should go though.. the first thought is other, but it's funny because the alpha blogg skip in echoes was under boss tricks. I think the reason was you technically do fight him for a bit before skipping him, but the berserker is never seen.
So just want to know if people prefer the pages being split, and do people think other is a good place for the trick to go.
The first thought is splitting them so the berserker lord skip gets its own page. That would slim down the chozo obs page to a few sentences, since it would start off with a link to the berserker lord skip to explain all the turbine chamber stuff.
I'm not sure where the berserker trick should go though.. the first thought is other, but it's funny because the alpha blogg skip in echoes was under boss tricks. I think the reason was you technically do fight him for a bit before skipping him, but the berserker is never seen.
So just want to know if people prefer the pages being split, and do people think other is a good place for the trick to go.
According to my guide, you're supposed to solve Chozo Observatory BEFORE you can even get to the Berserker Lord normally. The normal way to get to BL is by heading through the doorway at the top, right? (Where you go in order to get on top of the ship for the SW) Why can't you simply use the trick to climb it then and enter the Secret World? Or does it only work after collecting the first bomb piece? If you can get up Chozo Observatory without needing to use the Turbine Chamber trick at all I don't see why it would need to be on the same page.
Either way, it's still a boss trick to me because it's something that you normally wouldn't expect to do. Unlike some of the other bosses where you can simply avoid the room altogether, this is something that requires a trick to avoid him. Otherwise you WOULD end up fighting him upon entering the room normally, which is something that Hive Mecha can relate to. Although, I can't think of anything in the Prime section showing you that you can SJ across the pit to not set off the battle at all, but that's what I'm thinking of here.
Either way, it's still a boss trick to me because it's something that you normally wouldn't expect to do. Unlike some of the other bosses where you can simply avoid the room altogether, this is something that requires a trick to avoid him. Otherwise you WOULD end up fighting him upon entering the room normally, which is something that Hive Mecha can relate to. Although, I can't think of anything in the Prime section showing you that you can SJ across the pit to not set off the battle at all, but that's what I'm thinking of here.
For the issue of how to represent the informational pages for the sections (i.e. the "Skipping the Hazard Shield" description page), couldn't you add an "About" link to the subnav for that section which links to the appropriate page? As it stands, it's not very clear that those pages exist, as Prime Hunter stated. In fact, I've been visiting the main site since 2005, and I didn't know those pages existed until this discussion. 