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Kridly
2005-01-28 08:00:55 pm
Sorry if this is already been thought of, but doesn't it make sense that the mother ship in ZM is the same ship as the wrecked ship in SM? Think about it. Both next to Crateria, both have those annoying green floaty balls, both have robots, and super metroid takes place after ZM, when the mothership was wrecked, so.........Yeah, I might be a little late, but I think this is pretty cool.
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Yoshi348
2005-01-28 08:22:33 pm
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Ready and willing.
Hmm... I could have sworn this had its own topic, but I couldn't find it. But yeah, you're not the first one to notice that. And there's already been counter-arguments and counter-counter-arguments, IIRC. I suppose we could crack it open again, tho.
tomatobob
2005-01-29 01:45:46 am
One shall stand, one shall ball.
The other theory is that it's Maridia, I believe.
Snytbaggen
2005-01-29 04:13:17 am
Nice theory, it makes sense. And the Maridia thingy, maybe the explosion made a big hole into a lake that's under the ground(i can't remeber the name on such lakes...).
Smops
2005-01-29 10:31:48 am
No. The Wrecked ship in SM has been there for CENTURIES, it states so in the SM manual. The Mothership from ZM just landed there. If you compare Marida to the Mothership, they actually have features in common, and they have mochtroids and space pirates. The wrecked ship doesn't have anything to do with space pirates, except for the evil robots that show up in both the mothership and the wrecked ship.

It's probably something the new programmers put in to make a link from ZM to SM  that doesn't make sense.  It's just another huge plot hole in the Metroid universe.
Red Scarlet
2005-01-29 12:59:52 pm
I('d) like to watch (some MP3 runs)
I don't stand on either view, but this is a "huge plothole" largely because people are too dumb to realize that the Super Metroid manual was written 11 years ago, about 9 years+ before Zero Mission was thought up, and is not canon anymore when later games come in when the developer can change things as they see fit.  So the Super Metroid manual doesn't mean much when it comes to games made after it was.
Smops
2005-01-29 02:30:26 pm
Explain Phantoon. Explain the chozo statue. Etc. Etc.
It's just a plothole, it makes no sense.
Yoshi348
2005-01-29 02:34:38 pm
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Ready and willing.
Pfft. Everyone knows they were put there by the Pikachu.
Ekarderif
2005-01-29 02:43:20 pm
RAPE! RAPE!
tomatobob
2005-01-29 04:09:16 pm
One shall stand, one shall ball.
I personally believe the wizard theory.
arkarian
2005-01-29 04:15:29 pm
red chamber dream
I say no, it's definitely not the same ship. For reasons that Smops already went over.
Kridly
2005-01-29 08:39:36 pm
Oh come on! In ZM, go four rooms east from the landing site, and your at the mothership. In SM, go four rooms east from the landing site, and your at the wrecked ship. In both games, Samus parks her ship in the same place. (Wow, that's the first time in a while that I've referred to Samus as Samus; usually I just say me or you)
KennyMan666
2005-01-29 09:06:39 pm
Viking
Precursor
But it wasn't centuries between her two visits to the planet.
Chanoire
2005-01-29 09:16:17 pm
...and?  I'm with Scarlet on this one.  Later installments of a series typically overwrite earlier backstory (and geography).
KennyMan666
2005-01-29 09:37:22 pm
Viking
Precursor
That is about the lamest thing game designers can ever do.

The Mother Ship blew up, right? I think that it maybe landed close to the wrecked ship, which had been buried, and the explosion unearthed it. Plus opened up the way to Maridia. Or something along those lines.

Rewriting story like they have tried to do is lame.
Vincent Core
2005-01-29 10:09:56 pm
Never fear! I have the answer! One no one can argue with! the MZM Mother Ship is <i>not</i> the SM Wrecked Ship and I'll tell you why: Because Zebes was blown to bits and now neither ships are anything more than a memory!
nate
2005-01-29 11:13:59 pm
Quote from Smops:
Explain the chozo statue.

weren't the space pirates stealing chozo artifacts and stashing them in their ship?
SABERinBLUE
2005-01-29 11:48:49 pm
Cook of the Sea
Quote from Red Scarlet:
I don't stand on either view, but this is a "huge plothole" largely because people are too dumb to realize that the Super Metroid manual was written 11 years ago, about 9 years+ before Zero Mission was thought up, and is not canon anymore when later games come in when the developer can change things as they see fit.  So the Super Metroid manual doesn't mean much when it comes to games made after it was.


Hm...I would, as is my apologist wont, venture to suggest that no one cared to guess what exactly the Mothership was doing there after Samus left.  The Space Pirates and Samus knew what had happened, but no one else did to my knowledge.  So maybe scientists found it and made some mistakes while gauging its age.
Zeke
2005-01-30 07:10:55 am
Time bomb set get out fast!
Quote from Smops:
If you compare Marida to the Mothership, they actually have features in common, and they have mochtroids and space pirates.


Mochtroids?  Where?  (And speaking of "where", I read in some message board thread that there's an homage to Maridia in ZM's Brinstar.  Anybody know where that is?)

Anyway, we all know the Mother Ship can't be Maridia.  There are Space Pirates in Maridia, sure.  But they're pink.  Did you see any pink Pirates in ZM?  I didn't think so.  That proves my statement conclusively and anyone who disagrees can go to Magmoor.  End of story.  QED.

And Phantoon is the ghost of that reclining Chozo statue that the Space Pirates robbed.  That's why he reacts badly to Power Bombs.
arkarian
2005-01-30 09:00:58 am
red chamber dream
Well, the colour of the Space Pirates isn't really important- they could still be the same ones. Remember that interview with one of those Retro employees working on Echoes? He said something about how the Space Pirates were going to look different in Echoes, but they're still the same race. It's just artistic license, because one design would get boring.
Smops
2005-01-30 11:38:11 am
Quote from Zeke:
Quote from Smops:
If you compare Marida to the Mothership, they actually have features in common, and they have mochtroids and space pirates.


Mochtroids?  Where?  (And speaking of "where", I read in some message board thread that there's an homage to Maridia in ZM's Brinstar.  Anybody know where that is?)


I meant, Space Pirates MADE Mochtroids, and since the only area where space pirates were in ZM was the mothership...  they had to come from somewhere, no?

I think this debate is going.. NOWHERE. It's just another plothole. Believe me.
Zeke
2005-01-30 01:29:30 pm
Time bomb set get out fast!
Quote from Arkarian:
Well, the colour of the Space Pirates isn't really important-


No no, I agree.  My post was satire.
Red Scarlet
2005-01-30 02:09:29 pm
I('d) like to watch (some MP3 runs)
Pro-Maridia side:
1-The mothership in ZM has pink walls, like parts of Maridia.
2-The mothership has a lot of Super Missiles to be found, as does Maridia.

Pro-Wrecked Ship side:
1-Location of both areas in their games.
2-Similar enemies (the green electro guys and the work robots).

That's all I remember.
Dart Zaidyer
2005-01-30 05:54:12 pm
I think the Wrecked Ship is the area with the greenish yellow walls, which coincidentally has the same entrance from the same area with all the scaffolding around it. As far as the work robots and security bombus, I'd say the pirates "borrowed" them from the Wrecked Ship, as they've been known to do for just about everything else they think might be useful.

If anything, I'd say the Mothership is responsible for most of the oddities in Maridia. Does anyone remember the already-broken glass tube above the map room?

On a side note, I had always figured that the purple areas in Maridia were Chozo-constructed sewers and aqueducts for Chozodia, which conveniently took advantage of an already-existing water environment that was never revealed until the caverns got an explosive remodeling, courtesy of Samus's handiwork.
Skreemaster
2005-01-31 02:09:23 pm
I'll be back. Maybe...
What! That tube wasn't broken; the Space Pirates stole it and carried it all the way through Maridia! It's the one between the Mother Ship and Chozodia Ruins!

And where does Warfair come into all this?