MASTER-88 speedrun practice (100% best video 56:51 & PB 56:38 (goal sub 56)

MASTER-88

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MASTER-88: 2014-02-06 10:17:26 am

MASTER-88: 2014-01-24 12:20:02 pm

2014-01-24 12:19:24 pm

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Back the grind since 2006-2007. Just got GBA player working, cube not are crashes a today even i am played 4-5 hours total. I also have capture card so i will make some recorded stuffs and i want test those new route lines which are founded some time ago.

100% test (lazy) run (i might aim this somewhere 58 minutes range and if this route working i´ll try better run. I got 59:14 unrecorded run couple weeks ago but i´ll change some routes this time. No idea is this faster than previous route. So i just testing.

Segment 1 (saved 10:05 before Kraid)

Segment went quite horrible so i skip two extra saves i usually used. After Acid worm this segment start went very well but overall somewhere 30 seconds mistakes. Skipping those savepoints saves 12 seconds though.

Segment 2 (saved 18:44 before image cocoon)

Kraid lair part went horrible and one major mistakes with Norfair. Otherwise okay playing here.

More segment coming later when i played again. Let see my starting point can i even reach 58 minutes. Year 2007 my best 100% time was 56:38 & SS 59:07. Those both was really great runs for me. Both done used current SDA route. Let see can i got my skills back and play this game through faster than then. My bomb jump skills truly suck. Im not was good bomb jumper even when i mastered that game. My brain doesn´t want work well i want.

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Back the grind since 2006-2007. Just got GBA player working, cube not are crashes a today even i am played 4-5 hours total. I also have capture card so i will make some recorded stuffs and i want test those new route lines which are founded some time ago.

100% test (lazy) run (i might aim this somewhere 58 minutes range and if this route working i´ll try better run. I got 59:14 unrecorded run couple weeks ago but i´ll change some routes this time. No idea is this faster than previous route. So i just testing.

Segment 1 (saved 10:05 before Kraid)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ynkD3nWaOb0
Segment went quite horrible so i skip two extra saves i usually used. After Acid worm this segment start went very well but overall somewhere 30 seconds mistakes. Skipping those savepoints saves 12 seconds though.

Segment 2 (saved 18:44 before image cocoon)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hM4FJfcnYSQ

Kraid lair part went horrible and one major mistakes with Norfair. Otherwise okay playing here.

More segment coming later when i played again. Let see my starting point can i even reach 58 minutes. Year 2007 my best 100% time was 56:38 & SS 59:07. Those both was really great runs for me. Both done used current SDA route. Let see can i got my skills back and play this game through faster than then. My bomb jump skills truly suck. Im not was good bomb jumper even when i mastered that game. My brain doesn´t want work well i want.

MASTER-88

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MASTER-88: 2014-01-24 02:15:44 pm

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MASTER-88: 2014-01-24 02:10:42 pm

2014-01-24 02:08:25 pm

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Okay my run will going back to first segment. Nearly 30 seconds faster sub time before Acidworm. That was actually my SS attempt but i turn my run SS to segmented because this game went simply awesome

Now i think i´ll go sub 58 minutes quite easily. That fucking ironic. Somereason my brain working better when i drink enought beers. I did this my 1st attempt and already spend one hour and always lost 20 seconds or more. This look i have to drink at least 8 beers when i start speedrun, this not make me nerves. laugh new

Okay i saved before Acid worm next i have to make Acid worm 2 round kill which is EXTREMELY random. when i mastered this game i did it somewhere 20-25% of the time, rightnow i make it like 5% or less of the time. 3 round kill is very easy though.

kirbymastah

2014-01-24 02:18:19 pm

acid worm 2 round is not random at all <_< After taking the initial zipline (and you should hit it with a few missiles while on it), wait a bit, then before it comes out, fall into the acid and hug the left submerged block from the right side. Move left like a pixel or two, then you're in perfect position to missile it a lot.

MASTER-88

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MASTER-88: 2014-01-24 02:35:47 pm

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MASTER-88: 2014-01-24 02:33:40 pm

MASTER-88: 2014-01-24 02:33:16 pm

2014-01-24 02:23:58 pm

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Quote from kirbymastah:

acid worm 2 round is not random at all <_< After taking the initial zipline (and you should hit it with a few missiles while on it), wait a bit, then before it comes out, fall into the acid and hug the left submerged block from the right side. Move left like a pixel or two, then you're in perfect position to missile it a lot.

Yeah i think i know this idea, but its look my firing speed stuck too much. Like you can see my way upper video, its always went 3 round. I´ll always need some more 4-5 missiles. Probably my Thmub is way too slow or i did something wrong. I have same trouble Metroid Fusion Omega quick kill.

EDIT:
BTW this run will be follow Spidey 52.xx route expect this Brinstat M expansion ( i got it early). I think this is currently 2nd fastest route into game. There is fastest HBJ route but this route is super hard and definitely can,t used it.

This is so cool looking Kirby & Pidey take this HBJ over pool 1st attempt. This take me first time 3 weeks and never making it again. I really bad bomb jumper like you can see my videos too.

[quote="kirbymastah"]acid worm 2 round is not random at all <_< After taking the initial zipline (and you should hit it with a few missiles while on it), wait a bit, then before it comes out, fall into the acid and hug the left submerged block from the right side. Move left like a pixel or two, then you're in perfect position to missile it a lot.[/quote]

Yeah i think i know this idea, but its look my firing speed stuck too much. Like you can see my way upper video, its always went 3 round. I´ll always need some more 4-5 missiles. Probably my Thmub is way too slow or i did something wrong. I have same trouble Metroid Fusion Omega quick kill.

EDIT:
BTW this run will be follow Spidey 52.xx route expect this Brinstat M expansion ( i got it early). I think this is currently 2nd fastest route into game. There is fastest HBJ route but this route is super hard and definitely can,t used it.

This is so cool looking Kirby & Pidey take this HBJ over pool 1st attempt. This take me first time 3 weeks and never making it again. I really bad bomb jumper like you can see my videos too.

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MASTER-88: 2014-01-28 11:16:32 am

2014-01-28 11:15:10 am

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Segment 2 (saved 9:45 beofre Kraid (20 seconds ahead previous attempt)
I decide give up trying acid worm 2 round kill. I spend reseting it nearly 2 hours and its always requires 4-5 more missiles. I also break my elbow again when i attempted that. Yeah i have old sport injury my arm.

Segment 3 (saved 12:24 norfair) Kraid segment

I did make this through well and use save rightside norfair next sement will be pretty pain one for speed.

MASTER-88

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MASTER-88: 2014-01-30 04:40:23 pm

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MASTER-88: 2014-01-30 04:03:01 pm

2014-01-30 04:01:09 pm

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My 100% test run is done. Its not was easy to make this run. Its still unoptimize. Im not working that seconds by seconds but i want make all big time savers well enought here and keep gameplay solid enought with my stanard. My consistent also suck so i have to reset quite bit here.

56:51 (11 segments) 10 savepoints)
http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL-Cn2MW-VOj10f74phG7fn9Xoo_tex0S8

I think i have to keep little bit break and make some practice and try another run attempt to under 56 minutes. Its might drive me crazy, 52 seconds off is huge amount time. I am still keep save spot before acidworm. I think if i can got acid worm 2 round kill somedays again i might continued game here. Otherwise its probably good idea skip this save and make easy 3 round kill. Somereason nothing my firing speed is not enought to fire 2 round worm fight.

But btw when i start this test run i set goal go for 58:30, i got 56:51. I never was believe that. I think im not are horrible player anymore. Even i was rusty i got my skills back pretty well. I can,t still nothing my reaction speed and firing speed is slowing little bit because i started are old man and im drinking beers too much grin new

7 years ago i handled 2 round acidworm quite well around 25% of the time. A today no any hope make this.

My 100% test run is done. Its not was easy to make this run. Its still unoptimize. Im not working that seconds by seconds but i want make all big time savers well enought here and keep gameplay solid enought with my stanard. My consistent also suck so i have to reset quite bit here.

56:51 (11 segments) 10 savepoints)
http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL-Cn2MW-VOj10f74phG7fn9Xoo_tex0S8

I think i have to keep little bit break and make some practice and try another run attempt to under 56 minutes. Its might drive me crazy, 52 seconds off is huge amount time. I am still keep save spot before acidworm. I think if i can got acid worm 2 round kill somedays again i might continued game here. Otherwise its probably good idea skip this save and make easy 3 round kill. Somereason nothing my firing speed is not enought to fire 2 round worm fight.

But btw when i start this test run i set goal go for 58:30, i got 56:51. I never was believe that. I think im not are horrible player anymore. Even i was rusty i got my skills back pretty well. I can,t still nothing my reaction speed and firing speed is slowing little bit because i started are old man and im drinking beers too much :grinnew: 7 years ago i handled 2 round acidworm quite well around 25% of the time. A today no any hope make this.

kirbymastah

2014-01-30 05:07:02 pm

Firing missiles isn't really mashing; I pretty much never mash B for missiles in zm/fusion unless there's lag (like nightmare/nettori). It's better to just know exactly how much cooldown there is per missile and time B as early as possible after it.

MASTER-88

2014-01-30 05:40:17 pm

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Quote from kirbymastah:

Firing missiles isn't really mashing; I pretty much never mash B for missiles in zm/fusion unless there's lag (like nightmare/nettori). It's better to just know exactly how much cooldown there is per missile and time B as early as possible after it.

Okay. Thats interesting. I am always just simply firing like crazy. I think i have to practice my brain with this lag and hope thats not break my elbow again. Somereason i can,t find it easily like years ago.

I also can,t make Motherbrain double SM hit and first centipede (charge boss) double hit. Somereason these seems way too weird or i did something badly wrong. I think there is same frame trouble as acidworm.

kirbymastah

2014-01-30 08:55:17 pm

For mother brain double super missiles, while morphed at the safe spot, my personal cue is to unmorph and fire the moment I see her shoot the beam. You basically have to hit her early enough so it doesn't count towards her "you damaged me this much so I will now close my eye".

Double missiling the charge beam boss is not consistent at all, so don't worry too much about it. 2-rounding acid worm is easily more consistent :P

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MASTER-88: 2014-02-05 03:11:37 pm

2014-02-05 03:10:04 pm

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Yeah acidworm 2 round kill working rightnow. Yeah its not requires any good smashing but its requires still extremely precise timing with lag with missiles. My succesrate are still very low with this. This usually mean if your missiles stuck even once its went 3 round. Acid worm 2 round save something like 4 seconds. Used this save point cost 6-8 seconds. Its still techincally faster skip this save and make 3 round fight.

I am trying redo my first segment (56:51) 2 fucking days. No luck yet. I think i can 10 seconds off before acidworm if everythings went really lucky. 56:51 includes one best fisrt segment ever. Mostly those fucking bomb jumps ruin my run over and over. I think im not even try double bombjumping in future because its seems i can´t consistent make it.

If i can handled my first segment well enought i´ll hunt sub 56 run serisouly. But its might requires me many days & hours make this everythings more better than my best run. Its still be really hard go for sub 56 minutes. I have to work seconds by seconds.

Yeah acidworm 2 round kill working rightnow. Yeah its not requires any good smashing but its requires still extremely precise timing with lag with missiles. My succesrate are still very low with this. This usually mean if your missiles stuck even once its went 3 round. Acid worm 2 round save something like 4 seconds. Used this save point cost 6-8 seconds. Its still techincally faster skip this save and make 3 round fight.

I am trying redo my first segment (56:51) 2 fucking days. No luck yet. I think i can 10 seconds off before acidworm if everythings went really lucky. 56:51 includes one best fisrt segment ever. Mostly those fucking bomb jumps ruin my run over and over. I think im not even try double bombjumping in future because its seems i can´t consistent make it.

If i can handled my first segment well enought i´ll hunt sub 56 run serisouly. But its might requires me many days & hours make this everythings more better than my best run. Its still be really hard go for sub 56 minutes. I have to work seconds by seconds.

Thomaz

2014-02-05 03:18:22 pm

I'll watch whenever I have the time, but I advice you to save before the Varia E-tank. The bugs can do a number on your time (up to about 10 seconds...). You could even do a perfect run up to that point and save before AW without losing time.

MASTER-88

2014-02-05 06:22:19 pm

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Quote from Thomaz:

I'll watch whenever I have the time, but I advice you to save before the Varia E-tank. The bugs can do a number on your time (up to about 10 seconds...). You could even do a perfect run up to that point and save before AW without losing time.

Okay that interesting. Im not even pointed that already. I think its not take 10 extra seconds but yeah its seems 5-6 seconds. My best completion run i got through bug room in 16 seconds and rightnow my current best time beat it in 13 seconds. Those seems at least quite fast ones.

After 2 more hours attempts i finally got beat my personal best first segment and i got 7:30 in Kraid lair save. (only 2 seconds better, im not really know where i can save that time) just better RNG with enemy locations, bugs and hive room. Nearly everythings went mistke free like last time too. I was still dissappoint it was only 2 fucking second faster after very hard job.

First segment was really good my 56:51 run. First & last segment was my best here. I´ll still need some miracle if i can got 52 seconds off my total time.

[quote="Thomaz"]I'll watch whenever I have the time, but I advice you to save before the Varia E-tank. The bugs can do a number on your time (up to about 10 seconds...). You could even do a perfect run up to that point and save before AW without losing time.[/quote]

Okay that interesting. Im not even pointed that already. I think its not take 10 extra seconds but yeah its seems 5-6 seconds. My best completion run i got through bug room in 16 seconds and rightnow my current best time beat it in 13 seconds. Those seems at least quite fast ones.

After 2 more hours attempts i finally got beat my personal best first segment and i got 7:30 in Kraid lair save. (only 2 seconds better, im not really know where i can save that time) just better RNG with enemy locations, bugs and hive room. Nearly everythings went mistke free like last time too. I was still dissappoint it was only 2 fucking second faster after very hard job.

First segment was really good my 56:51 run. First & last segment was my best here. I´ll still need some miracle if i can got 52 seconds off my total time.

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MASTER-88: 2014-02-06 01:06:03 pm

MASTER-88: 2014-02-06 10:10:48 am

2014-02-06 10:06:07 am

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I just watch my first segment side to side with Spidey 52:xx run. I see Spidey saved 3:45 upper Brinstar my own all around best sub time here is something 4:05-4:07. I think if i can extremely lucky i could aim 3:58-4:02 (probably never happen my current speed). 4:07-4:13 is my avarage good time here, i think i´ll use this save if i can got 4:03 or less.

That pretty weird where Spidey beat my time so much. We mostly used same strategys. Its look Spidey simply moved faster than me, he jumping more tight jumps and make less land cancels and etc.. Though he managed 2 round centipede and i definitely can´t make it.

22 seconds time lost with Spidey run after very first part is huge time lost. Even those bomb jumps not ate time like this. I surprised im not even lost much time with bomb jumping even i can,t make consistent double bomb jump. My power grip pit was only 2-3 seconds slower than Spidey perfect shaft. Thats probably most highest bomb jump entire game. So thats double bomb jump is not very important. Its more important avoid land cancels make better jumps and increase your avarage speed.

I might keep my first segment progress yet and look is there any hope make it faster than i did. I might try some SS runs too. Those Cube random errors annoying me. Though errors not are happen for while.

EDIT:
Speedtricks video. I am practice some speedtricks. Though those alls not are consistent and most are quite minor ones.

I just watch my first segment side to side with Spidey 52:xx run. I see Spidey saved 3:45 upper Brinstar my own all around best sub time here is something 4:05-4:07. I think if i can extremely lucky i could aim 3:58-4:02 (probably never happen my current speed). 4:07-4:13 is my avarage good time here, i think i´ll use this save if i can got 4:03 or less.

That pretty weird where Spidey beat my time so much. We mostly used same strategys. Its look Spidey simply moved faster than me, he jumping more tight jumps and make less land cancels and etc.. Though he managed 2 round centipede and i definitely can´t make it.

22 seconds time lost with Spidey run after very first part is huge time lost. Even those bomb jumps not ate time like this. I surprised im not even lost much time with bomb jumping even i can,t make consistent double bomb jump. My power grip pit was only 2-3 seconds slower than Spidey perfect shaft. Thats probably most highest bomb jump entire game. So thats double bomb jump is not very important. Its more important avoid land cancels make better jumps and increase your avarage speed.

I might keep my first segment progress yet and look is there any hope make it faster than i did. I might try some SS runs too. Those Cube random errors annoying me. Though errors not are happen for while.

EDIT:
Speedtricks video. I am practice some speedtricks. Though those alls not are consistent and most are quite minor ones.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jt1gZuLSS2o&list=UU3wTFz5TFa06oOYl9tvOcoA

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MASTER-88: 2014-02-07 04:44:30 pm

2014-02-07 04:39:33 pm

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59:00 SS 100% items

That not was good run. But its beat my previous PB. I think i´ll aim 57.xx SS run and 55 segmented and both will something like awesome. Those savepoints cost a lot time.

There is 2 break. Im not care real time. First break i going to WC and 2nd break i have to change battery my GBA.

MASTER-88

2014-02-12 11:03:19 am

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58:03 100% items is here

Not much differents with strategys, but just much less mistakes than 59:00 run. IIRC i got acidworm 2 round. Somereason i was very consistent with this a today. I got it 8/10 attempts. I usually got it 2/10. I think my muscle memory are got increased quite bit.

I think i might try push my SS time under 58 minutes. Even this run was overal quite good one there was still some bad mistakes. Mostly last energy tank. Its cost rough 20 seconds real time and i think its something 15 seconds ingame time. Also this Ridley roulette room i dying once like last time too. Somereason this simply wall jump always caused me some serious trouble. Not idea why, but i have to reset some SS runs with this room.

I think i´ll might make 100% hard mode run for fun too. I think i have to change at least couple routes compared normal mode. Im not are touch hard mode for while.

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MASTER-88: 2014-02-14 01:49:32 pm

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2014-02-14 01:45:35 pm

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There is not much peoples who like run hardmode. i decide start hardmode 100% run for fun. I´ll public it later when im done. I think this run will beat my old PB (1:02:16) very easily. Im not are touch hard mode for years so iam overal really rusty.

There is cool Acidworm strategy. I think you can make it one round faster, but its very hard and random. But this is best strategy what i found. This look my missiles lag little bit and im not optimize all hits. But what ever that was pretty cool way.

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MASTER-88: 2014-02-20 10:00:13 am

2014-02-20 09:57:14 am

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Hardmode 1:00:28. Whole run you can see in one video.

This run was surprisely hard to make. Even i started this run more fun than good. Many things caused me some real trouble. For example its take me good 2 hours handled Motherbrain double SM hits strategy. This was seriosuly difficult. I finally got good fight my run which also look pretty good. I was pretty close give up but i am happy i finally got this working

Im not never got imago quick kill. I trying it a lot but im not was even very close my perfect attempt. I use quite bit same route as normal mode run i still changed couple. Most important are got this Norfair SM expansion early its make boss fights much faster to beat. This lava jump was also really hard trick. I die a lot with this.

Also gamecart or cube errors ruin that run a lot. Somereason this fucking game like crash over and over. A today only i got 5-6 crashes. Im not sure is this cube fault or gamecart fault. Probably if gamecart is going to broken i have to buy new game cart.

I also ruin a lot normal mode SS attempts with unknow crashes. Thats not are fun. Im not are very motivate attempts SS runs because those game crashes happen pretty much.

Hardmode 1:00:28. Whole run you can see in one video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2g671ii1YQQ

This run was surprisely hard to make. Even i started this run more fun than good. Many things caused me some real trouble. For example its take me good 2 hours handled Motherbrain double SM hits strategy. This was seriosuly difficult. I finally got good fight my run which also look pretty good. I was pretty close give up but i am happy i finally got this working
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_DrjxK_Ob8

Im not never got imago quick kill. I trying it a lot but im not was even very close my perfect attempt. I use quite bit same route as normal mode run i still changed couple. Most important are got this Norfair SM expansion early its make boss fights much faster to beat. This lava jump was also really hard trick. I die a lot with this.

Also gamecart or cube errors ruin that run a lot. Somereason this fucking game like crash over and over. A today only i got 5-6 crashes. Im not sure is this cube fault or gamecart fault. Probably if gamecart is going to broken i have to buy new game cart.

I also ruin a lot normal mode SS attempts with unknow crashes. Thats not are fun. Im not are very motivate attempts SS runs because those game crashes happen pretty much.