Late boss question, I don't need help. *SPOILERS obviously*

2007-10-11 11:48:34 am

I posted most of the following at GameFAQs (save for the cloning and NES comments), but I then remembered about this place and the potential to receive a different answer. Anyway, here is the point of my topic:

When you kill Omega Ridley, he dies in the same fashion as pretty much all other Phazon-based creatures; explodes, then dissipates into the air as pure Phazon.

So, my question is this: How is he logically in Super Metroid? I know that the Space Pirates can revive/recreate him, but I don't remember them noting that it was through cloning. I heard a rumor that supposedly spawned from the comic series stating that Ridley is the name of a species and the creature was just given that name for simplicity. I realize that the comic series and game series are non-canon when referencing each other, but I'm just trying to make sense of this seemed plothole.... or did Retro just neglect that part of the story? And saying that he exploded on Zebes (like practically everything else in the NES game), but was still revived, I don't think should be a suffice answer -- Back then, few games revolved around a logical storyline.

Thread title:

I posted most of the following at GameFAQs (save for the cloning and NES comments), but I then remembered about this place and the potential to receive a different answer. Anyway, here is the point of my topic:

When you kill Omega Ridley, he dies in the same fashion as pretty much all other Phazon-based creatures; explodes, then dissipates into the air as pure Phazon.

So, my question is this: How is he logically in Super Metroid? I know that the Space Pirates can revive/recreate him, but I don't remember them noting that it was through cloning. I heard a rumor that supposedly spawned from the comic series stating that Ridley is the name of a species and the creature was just given that name for simplicity. I realize that the comic series and game series are non-canon when referencing each other, but I'm just trying to make sense of this seemed plothole.... or did Retro just neglect that part of the story? And saying that he exploded on Zebes (like practically everything else in the NES game), but was still revived, I don't think should be a suffice answer -- Back then, few games revolved around a logical storyline.

arkarian

2007-10-11 12:04:50 pm

red chamber dream

Pretty sure the comics are official canon.

nate

2007-10-11 12:15:09 pm

don't recall anything like that in the manga.

Beonarri

2007-10-11 02:25:56 pm

To me, the Space Pirate culture is based around the "I'm the biggest and I eat the most, so I'm the leader" type of scenario, which is why Ridley and Kraid are the bosses even though they get beaten again and again. So, I think the pirates revive Ridley because if they didn't and he came back anyways, they'd all just get turned into fiery splat marks by him. And remember, at the end of Zero Mission you fight that Robo-Ridley. So, after he falls on Zebes the first time, it would seem that robotics become a major part in his returning.

So let's start the speculating...

I think it goes something like this.

-Ridley gets defeated on Zebes.
-Pirates find his body and go all 6 Million Dollar Man, er, dragon on him.
-Meta Ridley gets defeated on Tallon IV, but since he falls down a hole, and you never actually see him die, he can come back.
-Meta Ridley returns in Corruption, falls down another hole.
-Ridley comes back home, Dark Samus gives him a hug, tells him to guard the Seed.
-After Corruption, the Space Pirates obviously take a hit from the Feds. So, while Samus is busy extincting the Metroids, they collect everything, including Ridley's remains and go to Zebes again.
-Here, I'm assuming there isn't a whole lotta Ridley's organic material remaining, so they go Meta again, making him a new body. Probably organic/robotic/bionic again.
-After the fall of Zebes the Feds pick up the pieces, including Ridley's corpse, putting it in cryo at that lab place in Fusion, where it's finally destroyed by the X that leaves the body.

I don't know how helpful that is. It's just how my brain formed Ridley's story up. I'm more curious as to how or why creatures like Phantoon and Draygon created or what planet they're from, and how did they make it to Space Pirate General status. Draygon was probably a natural creature, but Phantoon...I wonder where he/it came from.

Last note. Kraid and Ridley could've both been normal Space Pirates at one point. With all of the Phazon engineering and genetic manipulation and all that junk, they could've been normal pirates, just "ketchupped" up.

To me, the Space Pirate culture is based around the "I'm the biggest and I eat the most, so I'm the leader" type of scenario, which is why Ridley and Kraid are the bosses even though they get beaten again and again.  So, I think the pirates revive Ridley because if they didn't and he came back anyways, they'd all just get turned into fiery splat marks by him.  And remember, at the end of Zero Mission you fight that Robo-Ridley.  So, after he falls on Zebes the first time, it would seem that robotics become a major part in his returning.

So let's start the speculating...

I think it goes something like this.

-Ridley gets defeated on Zebes.
-Pirates find his body and go all 6 Million Dollar Man, er, dragon on him.
-Meta Ridley gets defeated on Tallon IV, but since he falls down a hole, and you never actually see him die, he can come back.
-Meta Ridley returns in Corruption, falls down another hole.
-Ridley comes back home, Dark Samus gives him a hug, tells him to guard the Seed.
-After Corruption, the Space Pirates obviously take a hit from the Feds.  So, while Samus is busy extincting the Metroids, they collect everything, including Ridley's remains and go to Zebes again.
-Here, I'm assuming there isn't a whole lotta Ridley's organic material remaining, so they go Meta again, making him a new body.  Probably organic/robotic/bionic again.  
-After the fall of Zebes the Feds pick up the pieces, including Ridley's corpse, putting it in cryo at that lab place in Fusion, where it's finally destroyed by the X that leaves the body.

I don't know how helpful that is.  It's just how my brain formed Ridley's story up.  I'm more curious as to how or why creatures like Phantoon and Draygon created or what planet they're from, and how did they make it to Space Pirate General status.  Draygon was probably a natural creature, but Phantoon...I wonder where he/it came from.

Last note.   Kraid and Ridley could've both been normal Space Pirates at one point.  With all of the Phazon engineering and genetic manipulation and all that junk, they could've been normal pirates, just "ketchupped" up.

Mr. Shadow

(user is banned)

2007-10-11 03:33:07 pm

OH ****!!!!

Thats really well thought out but heres is my thinking.

-----------------SUPER SPOILERS AHEAD------------------------------

Metroid/metroid zero mission:
This is ridleys first appearance so their not much of a reason why he theirs but i think of zero mission as the true first metroid game as it explains everything more clearer. Ridley is on duty directing a space pirate ship from space frigate orphean collecting the beta metroids to take them to tourain. When he looses comunication with kraid and finds out a lock on tourain has been inleashed he knows that something bad has happened and checks up on mother brains video log files. My theory on the mother brain is that she is an proto-type of the aurora units created by the chozo but they were wiped out and the GF collected the data and created their own aura units and even and used on on zebes to colonize since they thought the space pirates were dead. Now then ridley ordered to protect the mother brain and he went down to ridley to await the hunter. When samus stole the unkown item ridley attacked and lost by taking serious missles to his chest after his thick armour like hide was broken through. Samus left him for dead and left ridley to go on and defeat the mother brain. After the pirates finished unloading the metroids(and their food source) they went down to ridley await ridleys orders only to find him clinging to a thread. They brought him back to the mother ship and to perserve his life they sent him to the space frigate orphean to be resusacated. Unkown to ridley is that the space pirates were conducting a cloning test on him by using his DNA. The results were shiped of to the space pirate homeworld and the remaining one was used to a test to uses cybernetics. The result ended badly though not totally. The clones body fell apart and not much was left but they put him in a battle suit and the result was a messed up cyborg that had to rely on armaments presented to him by the space pirates and his claw attack which was still really good but not to defeat the hunter who the clone had since felt her presence on the ship so he waited for her to enter. Then they met and did battle whiched then develeloped ridleys chest weakness in the other clones. After he died the space pirate ship would selfdesruct and samus escaped ending the game. We then go to Metroid prime we see that Their is ridley, the original ridley looking down on samus as she escapes. When they do battle on the planet and she defeats him he gets knocks down to the crater and is harmed by the phazon. When samus has liberated dark ather and the GF were cleaning up the phazon from ather the pirates were taking what phazon they could from tallon IV and getting ridleys body. Unable move they gave Ridley to their new leader dark samus to resusacate as her this is her area. When the GF go down they find phazon, a attempt at resusacting Kraid, and a frozen corpse of a ridley clone which was the one that was taken to the BSL and would soon die and become Ridley-X. When samus arrived on the norian to fix the generators she encountered a ridley clone who went throught the metagentics procees and became meta-ridley, this explains why he is a different color and his plasma breath is more lilke a beam them actual plasma flame if you compare meta ridleys breath to omega ridleys. Samus defeats this one and it falls to the planets core dieing. Then samus confronts the true ridley, now omega ridley thanks to the phazon enhancments. When shes defeats him he bursts into pure phazon and ridlet trulys dies.

That anwsers your questions but im still going since im on the subject. When she brings the infant metroid she spared from SR-388, she encountered a ridley clone and goes down to fight him. This explains why ridley always looks different because the clones are always different. After super metroid the last ridley clone is in the BSL station and the space pirates went to get him to continue their research but where turned into x pirates after being eaten by the x parasites. She then sees the ridley clone and goes to touch it but it falls to peices and the x copys its data and leaves the clone to fall to peices. Samus then fights this ridley clone who is looking different because of the x copying and strenghtening him. Samus;s defeat him and then after escaping the ship it is vaporized into SR-388's athomosphere and the ridley clone peices are annialated.

So ends the tail of ridley, i hope you liked it.^_^ Now maybe kraid will get some spotlight.

Thats really well thought out but heres is my thinking.

-----------------SUPER SPOILERS AHEAD------------------------------

Metroid/metroid zero mission:
This is ridleys first appearance so their not much of a reason why he theirs but i think of zero mission as the true first metroid game as it explains everything more  clearer. Ridley is on  duty directing a space pirate ship from space frigate orphean collecting the beta metroids to take them to tourain. When he looses comunication with kraid and finds out a lock on tourain has been inleashed he knows that something bad has happened and checks up on mother brains video log files. My theory on the mother brain is that she is an proto-type of the aurora units created by the chozo but they were wiped out and the GF collected the data and created their own aura units and even and used on on zebes to colonize since they thought the space pirates were dead. Now then ridley ordered to protect the mother brain and he went down to ridley to await the hunter. When samus stole the unkown item ridley attacked and lost by taking serious missles to his chest after his thick armour like hide was broken through. Samus left him for dead and left ridley to go on and defeat the mother brain. After the pirates finished unloading the metroids(and their food source) they went down to ridley await ridleys orders only to find him clinging to a thread. They brought him back to the mother ship and to perserve his life they sent him to the space frigate orphean to be resusacated. Unkown to ridley is that the space pirates were conducting a cloning test on him by using his DNA. The results were shiped of to the space pirate homeworld and the remaining one was used to a test to uses cybernetics. The result ended badly though not totally. The clones body fell apart and not much was left but they put him in a battle suit and the result was a messed up cyborg that had to rely on armaments presented to him by the space pirates and his claw attack which was still really good but not to defeat the hunter who the clone had since felt her presence on the ship so he waited for her to enter.  Then they met and did battle whiched then develeloped ridleys chest weakness in the other clones. After he died the space pirate ship would selfdesruct and samus escaped ending the game. We then go to Metroid prime we see that Their is ridley, the original ridley looking down on samus as she escapes. When they do battle on the planet and she defeats him he gets knocks down to the crater and is harmed by the phazon. When samus has liberated dark ather and the GF were cleaning up the phazon from ather the pirates were taking what phazon they could from tallon IV and getting ridleys body. Unable move they gave Ridley to their new leader dark samus to resusacate as her this is her area. When the GF go down they find phazon, a attempt at resusacting Kraid, and a frozen corpse of a ridley clone which was the one that was taken to the BSL and would soon die and become Ridley-X. When samus arrived on the norian to fix the generators she encountered a ridley clone who went throught the metagentics procees and became meta-ridley, this explains why he is a different color and his plasma breath is more lilke a beam them actual plasma flame if you compare meta ridleys breath to omega ridleys. Samus defeats this one and it falls to the planets core dieing. Then samus confronts the true ridley, now omega ridley thanks to the phazon enhancments. When shes defeats him he bursts into pure phazon and ridlet trulys dies.

That anwsers your questions but im still going since im on the subject. When she brings the infant metroid she spared from SR-388, she encountered a ridley clone and goes down to fight him. This explains why ridley always looks different because the clones are always different. After super metroid the last ridley clone is in the BSL station and the space pirates went to get him to continue their research but where turned into x pirates after being eaten by the x parasites. She then sees the ridley clone and goes to touch it but it falls to peices and the x copys its data and leaves the clone to fall to peices. Samus then fights this ridley clone who is looking different because of the x copying and strenghtening him. Samus;s defeat him and then after escaping the ship it is vaporized into SR-388's athomosphere and the ridley clone peices are annialated.

So ends the tail of ridley, i hope you liked it.^_^ Now maybe kraid will get some spotlight.

GuyPerfect

2007-10-11 08:47:09 pm

Quote from Mr. Shadow:

So ends the tail of ridley[...]

Yeah, that sharp barb sure is a nuisance. It even gets you through Screw Attack.

Oh, you mean "tale," my bad. (-:

Beonarri

2007-10-11 09:01:21 pm

I don't think there was a clone. Cloning just makes the character lamer. Like the Emperor in in Star Wars Dark Empire.

"I know he's dead...but we want to make money off him."
"Well, we can't say it was all a dream, Dallas did that."
"I know! Let's clone him!"
"Brilliant."
:3

Mr. Shadow

(user is banned)

2007-10-12 05:11:51 am

OH ****!!!!

Quote from Beonarri:

I don't think there was a clone. Cloning just makes the character lamer. Like the Emperor in in Star Wars Dark Empire.

"I know he's dead...but we want to make money off him."
"Well, we can't say it was all a dream, Dallas did that."
"I know! Let's clone him!"
"Brilliant."
:3

They clone their on species! How many space pirates have i destroyed today like another hundred million. Rolling Eyes

Quote from GuyPerfect:

Quote from Mr. Shadow:

So ends the tail of ridley[...]

Yeah, that sharp barb sure is a nuisance. It even gets you through Screw Attack.

Oh, you mean "tale," my bad. (-:

Since you put it that way yeah a dragons greatest asset is his tail. Im glad to see the end of that thing, i mean in metroid prime 3 when he did his flame breath phazon tail attack thing, that didn't look dangerus, it looked like a carnivail ride. laugh new

Beonarri

2007-10-12 03:00:15 pm

Quote from Mr. Shadow:

They clone their on species! How many space pirates have i destroyed today like another hundred million. Rolling Eyes

I always thought that was videogame logic.

You never know, Space Pirates are insectoid. Maybe they have a brood clutch of hundreds of kids that all grow up into Troopers.

Mr. Shadow

(user is banned)

2007-10-12 03:03:35 pm

OH ****!!!!

Quote from Beonarri:

Quote from Mr. Shadow:

They clone their on species! How many space pirates have i destroyed today like another hundred million. Rolling Eyes

I always thought that was videogame logic.

You never know, Space Pirates are insectoid. Maybe they have a brood clutch of hundreds of kids that all grow up into Troopers.

Heh i try to make sense of these things, im coufused on waht the space pirates are as they keep changing.

Vertigo

2007-10-12 04:30:59 pm

lvl 28 Magic Leper

At this point there is pretty much no other way they could bring Ridley back besides cloning or an imposter Ridley. He didn't just die in Corruption he was incinerated, there was clearly nothing left but a power up. Since Nintendo has a habit of bringing back the same enemy over and over again I'll stick with cloning. It can account for all his appearances. Including how he showed up in Fusion after he got pwned in Super and then the planet that he (or what was left of him) was on got pwned. I also presume he gets his personality uploaded into the new body in a method similar to Adam, but that's purely speculation. I think the only reason he was made into Meta-Ridley was because the only time there were remains of him to rebuild was during Samus' first fight with him, once again speculation.

The problem is Metroid games typically have a very low amount of backstory so we may never know.

EDIT: I also don't know why so many people think he's gone for good after Fusion. Assuming the space pirates don't have his memories/DNA somewhere, that pile of frozen debris is more than has ever been left of him before.

At this point there is pretty much no other way they could bring Ridley back besides cloning or an imposter Ridley. He didn't just die in Corruption he was incinerated, there was clearly nothing left but a power up. Since Nintendo has a habit of bringing back the same enemy over and over again I'll stick with cloning. It can account for all his appearances. Including how he showed up in Fusion after he got pwned in Super and then the planet that he (or what was left of him) was on got pwned. I also presume he gets his personality uploaded into the new body in a method similar to Adam, but that's purely speculation. I think the only reason he was made into Meta-Ridley was because the only time there were remains of him to rebuild was during Samus' first fight with him, once again speculation.

The problem is Metroid games typically have a very low amount of backstory so we may never know.

EDIT: I also don't know why so many people think he's gone for good after Fusion. Assuming the space pirates don't have his memories/DNA somewhere, that pile of frozen debris is more than has ever been left of him before.

Mr. Shadow

(user is banned)

2007-10-12 05:42:31 pm

OH ****!!!!

Quote from Vertigo:

At this point there is pretty much no other way they could bring Ridley back besides cloning or an imposter Ridley. He didn't just die in Corruption he was incinerated, there was clearly nothing left but a power up. Since Nintendo has a habit of bringing back the same enemy over and over again I'll stick with cloning. It can account for all his appearances. Including how he showed up in Fusion after he got pwned in Super and then the planet that he (or what was left of him) was on got pwned. I also presume he gets his personality uploaded into the new body in a method similar to Adam, but that's purely speculation. I think the only reason he was made into Meta-Ridley was because the only time there were remains of him to rebuild was during Samus' first fight with him, once again speculation.

The problem is Metroid games typically have a very low amount of backstory so we may never know.

EDIT: I also don't know why so many people think he's gone for good after Fusion. Assuming the space pirates don't have his memories/DNA somewhere, that pile of frozen debris is more than has ever been left of him before.

But we can't be sure until metroid dread comes out, whenever that it. aiwebs_008

i also like your insight, its like mine but i tryed to use a story to it. You know to make it interesting. laugh new

[quote="Vertigo"]At this point there is pretty much no other way they could bring Ridley back besides cloning or an imposter Ridley. He didn't just die in Corruption he was incinerated, there was clearly nothing left but a power up. Since Nintendo has a habit of bringing back the same enemy over and over again I'll stick with cloning. It can account for all his appearances. Including how he showed up in Fusion after he got pwned in Super and then the planet that he (or what was left of him) was on got pwned. I also presume he gets his personality uploaded into the new body in a method similar to Adam, but that's purely speculation. I think the only reason he was made into Meta-Ridley was because the only time there were remains of him to rebuild was during Samus' first fight with him, once again speculation.

The problem is Metroid games typically have a very low amount of backstory so we may never know.

EDIT: I also don't know why so many people think he's gone for good after Fusion. Assuming the space pirates don't have his memories/DNA somewhere, that pile of frozen debris is more than has ever been left of him before.[/quote]

But we can't be sure until metroid dread comes out, whenever that it. [aiwebs_008] i also like your insight, its like mine but i tryed to use a story to it. You know to make it interesting.   :laugh:

Beonarri

2007-10-13 02:17:22 pm

Well, Meta Ridley coulda been lying in that hole on Norion during the whole game and Omega Ridley was just a Phazon copy.

I mean, with all of the outsourcing done by Dark Samus, with making Commanders out of the Hunters and using Mogenar and Helios as Seed guards instead of Space Pirate creations, she could've copied him, and just gone with that.

Maybe she thought an imitation made in her own image would be more competent than the original.

UchihaSasuke

2007-10-13 03:50:40 pm

my umbrella goes directly to Bankai

to me, it seems that there's a several members in his species.
they keep coming back because the new one wants to avenge the death of the previous one and so on.

first, the original ridley worked for the pirates and was killed by samus in metroid1/zm.

then, the robot ridley is really a robot and was modeled after him to protect the pirate ship and serve as a self-destruct device in case samus got there and beat him.

then, another ridley comes to the pirates angry because his bro/dad/mom/aunt was killed by samus and he wants to kill her. the pirates take some security measures and enhance him with cybernetic parts so that he can have a greater chance of winning. he's defeated by samus on tallon IV despite this.

now, since his armor was quite resistant, he could have survived the battle and returned to the pirates to get fixed. he then reappears at norion and samus beats him up attacking the same weak spot as before. ridley survives again because he just disappears and there's no explosion and stuff. when he comes back to pirate home, he gets converted by dark samus and becomes the seed guardian and is enhanced with phazon and a new chest protector. samus then beats him up again with new weapons and this time he dies for good.

now, some time after the end of corruption, the rest of the ridley family gets the bad news that another member just kicked the bucket. angry of that, another ridley goes to the pirates and enlists to avenge his dad/bro/aunt/grandpa but this one is too proud of himself and refuses to get cibernetic enhancements and also thinks they are useless since his comrade died with them.
he then steals the metroid and with that he lures samus to zebes once again. after some traveling, samus fights him and he proves to be a bit harder to beat than previous ridleys but he still dies. he leaves part of his body behind unlike the first ridley who became dust after the masacre.

the remains are picked up by the feds when they analyze the remains of zebes and send them to the BSL station for research. then the X get loose and get a hold on these remains. they copy ridley and inherit all the hatred for samus. they also make sure to make the body more resistant to missiles but they didn't saw coming the new and super improved beam that samus uses in fusion and got their asses ripped apart and then samus absorbed what was left of them.

going by this, there were at least 3 ridleys and the second one was the one that got the whole cybernetic makeover. there was also the robot and the x clone.

this is how i see ridley's story unfolding. going by it, another one can appear after fusion and they can even fit one in a remake of metroid 2 if they want (although we are in overkill territory already. phantoon should be back instead)

to me, it seems that there's a several members in his species.
they keep coming back because the new one wants to avenge the death of the previous one and so on.

first, the original ridley worked for the pirates and was killed by samus in metroid1/zm.

then, the robot ridley is really a robot and was modeled after him to protect the pirate ship and serve as a self-destruct device in case samus got there and beat him.

then, another ridley comes to the pirates angry because his bro/dad/mom/aunt was killed by samus and he wants to kill her. the pirates take some security measures and enhance him with cybernetic parts so that he can have a greater chance of winning. he's defeated by samus on tallon IV despite this.

now, since his armor was quite resistant, he could have survived the battle and returned to the pirates to get fixed. he then reappears at norion and samus beats him up attacking the same weak spot as before. ridley survives again because he just disappears and there's no explosion and stuff. when he comes back to pirate home, he gets converted by dark samus and becomes the seed guardian and is enhanced with phazon and a new chest protector. samus then beats him up again with new weapons and this time he dies for good.

now, some time after the end of corruption, the rest of the ridley family gets the bad news that another member just kicked the bucket. angry of that, another ridley goes to the pirates and enlists to avenge his dad/bro/aunt/grandpa but this one is too proud of himself and refuses to get cibernetic enhancements and also thinks they are useless since his comrade died with them.
he then steals the metroid and with that he lures samus to zebes once again. after some traveling, samus fights him and he proves to be a bit harder to beat than previous ridleys but he still dies. he leaves part of his body behind unlike the first ridley who became dust after the masacre.

the remains are picked up by the feds when they analyze the remains of zebes and send them to the BSL station for research. then the X get loose and get a hold on these remains. they copy ridley and inherit all the hatred for samus. they also make sure to make the body more resistant to missiles but they didn't saw coming the new and super improved beam that samus uses in fusion and got their asses ripped apart and then samus absorbed what was left of them.

going by this, there were at least 3 ridleys and the second one was the one that got the whole cybernetic makeover. there was also the robot and the x clone.

this is how i see ridley's story unfolding. going by it, another one can appear after fusion and they can even fit one in a remake of metroid 2 if they want (although we are in overkill territory already. phantoon should be back instead)

Aruki

2007-10-13 04:12:03 pm

The Pirate lores say that when a Leviathan lands on a planet, it gets a local creature to guard it - so Mogenar on Bryyo, Helios on Elysia, Metroid Prime on Tallon IV, etc. Of Bryyo, Elysia, and Pirate Homeworld, PH was the first one to recieve a seed, and Ridley became its guardian - yet Ridley was also on Norion... so, different Ridleys?

Prime Hunter

2007-10-13 07:55:53 pm

I thought Omega Ridley's scan mentioned something about being reborn, but I can't be sure.

Shadow-gamer

2007-10-13 08:05:18 pm

Quote from Paraxade:

The Pirate lores say that when a Leviathan lands on a planet, it gets a local creature to guard it - so Mogenar on Bryyo, Helios on Elysia, Metroid Prime on Tallon IV, etc. Of Bryyo, Elysia, and Pirate Homeworld, PH was the first one to recieve a seed, and Ridley became its guardian - yet Ridley was also on Norion... so, different Ridleys?

Metroid Prime wasn't a "local creature" though. It came with the leviathan.
Atleast, that makes the most sense to me.

Mr. Shadow

(user is banned)

2007-10-13 08:05:58 pm

OH ****!!!!

Quote from Paraxade:

The Pirate lores say that when a Leviathan lands on a planet, it gets a local creature to guard it - so Mogenar on Bryyo, Helios on Elysia, Metroid Prime on Tallon IV, etc. Of Bryyo, Elysia, and Pirate Homeworld, PH was the first one to recieve a seed, and Ridley became its guardian - yet Ridley was also on Norion... so, different Ridleys?

lets not forget the empeor ing. aiwebs_008

Aruki

2007-10-13 08:07:14 pm

I didn't say Emperor Ing because Aether didn't really seem to have a leviathan - there was no impact area, the final area wasn't covered with Phazon, etc. Doesn't make any sense storywise, but that's the way it was.

Mr. Shadow

(user is banned)

2007-10-13 08:11:58 pm

OH ****!!!!

Quote from Paraxade:

I didn't say Emperor Ing because Aether didn't really seem to have a leviathan - there was no impact area, the final area wasn't covered with Phazon, etc. Doesn't make any sense storywise, but that's the way it was.

Ok and id like to tackle that problem.^_^ You see ather was so old and frail that thanks to the light of ather it was so powerful that it ripped open a new dimension and the phaze-ing mutated into the emperor ing. The impact however was so powerful that the levatian exploded and the phazon spread throughout dark ather(im spelling it wrong >_< meh cant be bothered) It said in the logbook that the luminoth never seen the "intellsteller" object were ever it is. Hows that? extra_smug

Beonarri

2007-10-14 02:25:43 pm

Yeah, the wording in the Lores and Scans in the Prime games really, really make it sound like Ridley is just one creature.

I seem to remember Meta Ridley's first logbook scan mentioned something about his being supped up, and the last line was something like, "And this is a job he will surely enjoy." Or something. Not to mentiond the "reborn and made sterile" line in the scan from Corruption.

I'm sticking with the one Ridley, one vote idea for now.

Vertigo

2007-10-14 02:55:11 pm

lvl 28 Magic Leper

Yeah the very first line in Omega Ridley's corruption scan states he has been "reborn and repowered through phazon exposure." And in Prime it does make mention that he has been revived (though I can't remember the exact line). So it seems to be that, at least from the original Metroid to Prime 3, Samus is dealing with the same Ridley.

zell99

2007-10-14 04:36:08 pm

Quote from Vertigo:

Yeah the very first line in Omega Ridley's corruption scan states he has been "reborn and repowered through phazon exposure." And in Prime it does make mention that he has been revived (though I can't remember the exact line). So it seems to be that, at least from the original Metroid to Prime 3, Samus is dealing with the same Ridley.

From a guide at gamefaqs:

Meta Ridley (Pirate Data):
The reconstruction of geoform 187, code-named Ridley, was recently completed. After his defeat on Zebes, Command ordered a number of metagenenic improvements for him. Though aggressive, we were able to implement these changes in a cycle. The metamorphosis was painful, but quite successful in the end. Early tests indicate a drastic increase in strength, mobility, and offensive capability. Cybernetic modules and armour plating have been added as well. We believe our creature, now called Meta Ridley, will become the mainstay of our security force, a job he will certainly relish.

Meta Ridley (Creature):
Genetically enhanced Ridley metaform. Reborn and evolved through Pirate technology, Meta Ridley is a fearsome enforcer. Its armored hide is extremely resilient, save for the chest, which has thinner plating. The Pirates have fused a number of potent weapons to the creature, including a Multi-Missile system, a Kinetic Breath Weapon, a Meson Bomb Launcher, and an Ultrathermal Flamestrike Projector. Meta Ridley is also a formidable melee combatant, making any sort of engagement a risky proposition.

[quote="Vertigo"]Yeah the very first line in Omega Ridley's corruption scan states he has been "reborn and repowered through phazon exposure." And in Prime it does make mention that he has been revived (though I can't remember the exact line). So it seems to be that, at least from the original Metroid to Prime 3, Samus is dealing with the same Ridley.[/quote]

From a guide at gamefaqs:

Meta Ridley (Pirate Data):
The reconstruction of geoform 187, code-named Ridley, was recently completed. After his defeat on Zebes, Command ordered a number of metagenenic improvements for him. Though aggressive, we were able to implement these changes in a cycle. The metamorphosis was painful, but quite successful in the end. Early tests indicate a drastic increase in strength, mobility, and offensive capability. Cybernetic modules and armour plating have been added as well. We believe our creature, now called Meta Ridley, will become the mainstay of our security force, a job he will certainly relish.

Meta Ridley (Creature):
Genetically enhanced Ridley metaform. Reborn and evolved through Pirate technology, Meta Ridley is a fearsome enforcer. Its armored hide is extremely resilient, save for the chest, which has thinner plating. The Pirates have fused a number of potent weapons to the creature, including a Multi-Missile system, a Kinetic Breath Weapon, a Meson Bomb Launcher, and an Ultrathermal Flamestrike Projector. Meta Ridley is also a formidable melee combatant, making any sort of engagement a risky proposition.

Mr. Shadow

(user is banned)

2007-10-14 06:34:14 pm

OH ****!!!!

Quote from zell99:

Genetically enhanced Ridley metaform.

Now why would they say his name like that, maybe enhanced dragon metaform. Honestly look at how they word it, its like their tons of ridleys. laugh new

Beonarri

2007-10-15 04:48:42 pm

http://metroid.wikia.com/wiki/Ridley

Here's a neat little article on Ridley. I think that maybe his brain and spine are fairly resilient and he just gets some new bodies made up here-and-there.