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Snytbaggen
2004-12-21 10:51:45 am
I haven't tried it out yet, but it is a entrance in Agon, that leads to a Morph Ball-tunnel, and you need a PB to open it.

My thoughts: If you get PBs right after Amorbis, as described in another topic, then you would be able to open the door and go down to Sanctuary Fortress very early in the game.

I can be wrong, as I haven't tried it out yet.
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Juggernaut
2004-12-21 12:03:29 pm
You would be able to get the Echo Visor right away, no?

Then with that you could get to Watch Station...... but you'll need the spider ball to get through that to the screw attack....  And you can't get Spider Ball w/o Boost.

Someone will probably prove me wrong tho.
Solr_Flare
2004-12-21 01:55:08 pm
You don't need spiderball in watch station.  Sparky came up with a solution for that.  But, we don't have a way to cross Grand Abyss/Judgement Pit without grapple yet.  In fact, that is the only thing stopping skipping grapple since there also is already a solution for the Vault without grapple.
XtraX
2004-12-21 02:28:18 pm
I'm sure that it works,I have done it after getting(cheating  Rolling Eyes ) the Pb exp early.

But we can't get the Screw Attack,as mentioned in the other post.
I think we even can't get the Echo Visor,because we would need to boost through the window to get to DS2. And you may not be able to kill Spider Guardian w/o Boost,but I'm not sure about that.
Maybe we even need Super Missiles in Sanctuary,but I don't think so. Gravity Boost and Dark Visor aren't needed for Sanctuary though.
Zen
2004-12-21 02:52:19 pm
Spider Guardian without the boost ball would be... HAIRY.  The item's necessary in a lot of other places so far, though, so I guess nobody need worry.
Serujisu
2004-12-21 04:41:59 pm
There's also a Sanctuary entrance in Torvus Bog (Lower). I don't have my copy of Echoes on me, so I'm not sure (where it leads, I do know that there's a power bomb-guarded elevator in lower Torvus.
Random Zelda Person
2004-12-21 05:14:37 pm
The elevator is through a door covered by a statue and a power bomb shield in Training Chamber.  It leads to a hallway that goes to Main Research.  I actually thought I had a way to get to Sanctuary early (spider ball is not required to get to the door), but I had forgotten about the PB shield...
Prime Hunter
2004-12-21 05:58:15 pm
Yeah, so you could grab the Grapple Beam, then head through the PB door towards Sacntuary. Since you already have the power bomb by then, you can easily head up to the Watch Station Access, do the dash, then proceed towards Screw Attack.

If there was a way to get the Seekers before entering Torvus, you could use the elevator in Agon to go right to the Supers too I think. (If the elevator works from below) Then it would be a short trip to the grapple.

Wow: You could skip quite a bit if we could ever pull something like this off. We'd need to take out Amorbis first though, to get the Dark Suit on low% runs.
Snytbaggen
2004-12-22 02:02:43 am
Prime Hunter
2004-12-22 08:30:08 am
Err... I didn't realize that we could actually collect the seekers yet without the boost. I knew we could get in there, but the spinners are messed due to not having the boost yet.

Quote from Myself, in the other topic:
I skimmed the strat guide earlier, only to find out there is NO WAY we can get the PBs early: You either need the power bombs, screw attack, or the light suit to get to any of the expansions from what I remember. And since we need the spider ball for the PB boss, it eliminates the "early" aspect of the whole thing...


Hmm... I guess I never expected the "Kip Dash" in Watch Station Access  Laughing
zell99
2004-12-22 12:25:07 pm
Matt did get the seekers without boost a couple of weeks ago, and it took him over 1h i think (stupid spinners) anyways, there is no way (yet) to get early seekers fast.
Zen
2004-12-24 11:31:15 am
I thought there was no way out or something after collecting seekers without boost.  But I'm not clear on what the obstacle would be.
Purple Lizard
2004-12-24 10:04:05 pm
Quote from Zen:
I thought there was no way out or something after collecting seekers without boost.  But I'm not clear on what the obstacle would be.


Getting out of the room only requires seekers...  You need the boost to actually get them though, 'cuz you need to solve the puzzle with the spinners.
KennyMan666
2004-12-25 05:53:29 am
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Quote from Purple Lizard:
Quote from Zen:
I thought there was no way out or something after collecting seekers without boost.  But I'm not clear on what the obstacle would be.


Getting out of the room only requires seekers...  You need the boost to actually get them though, 'cuz you need to solve the puzzle with the spinners.

Apparently it's possible to use the spinners WITHOUT Boost. IIRC, this was used in MP 22% game as well for something.
ShadowJedi
2004-12-25 11:24:56 am
Quote from Purple Lizard:
Quote from Zen:
I thought there was no way out or something after collecting seekers without boost.  But I'm not clear on what the obstacle would be.


Getting out of the room only requires seekers...  You need the boost to actually get them though, 'cuz you need to solve the puzzle with the spinners.

Quote from zell99:
Matt did get the seekers without boost a couple of weeks ago, and it took him over 1h i think (stupid spinners) anyways, there is no way (yet) to get early seekers fast.
Purple Lizard
2004-12-25 01:46:30 pm
Yeah, I know that it's technically possible, but unless there's a way of doing it that doesn't take like, a ludicrous amount of time, I doubt there will be much use for it.